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Terry Yager
June 3rd, 2003, 01:57 PM
How much cleaning do you do on your classic systems? I used to very meticulously clean everything in my collection. I considered this "hands-on" stuff one of the joys of collecting. The last few years I haqve not been cleaning anything. Like other types of antique, I consider all that grunge as being part of the system. It's not crud, it's PATINA. How do others feel about this, should we clean them or not?

--T

Erik
June 3rd, 2003, 02:12 PM
That's actually a really tough question. I actually think that there needs to be a third option for "some cleaning, but leave original stuff intact."

For instance, one of the Altair's I bought a while back came with a bunch of stickers pasted all over it as well as a ton of collected dust, dust bunnies and other foreign matter (spider webs, bug carcases, etc.).

In cleaning it I removed all of the dirt, grime and foreign matter but left most of the stickers (there were some on the case, only one on the front panel that wasn't too faded to read). The stickers had some historical significance (MITS put them on to identify the owner of a machine or board in for repairs), but the dust didn't.

Before:

http://www.vintage-computer.com/images/8800fobfront.jpg

After:

http://www.vintage-computer.com/images/altair8800.jpg

Actually the before photos don't really do the dirt justice but the first damp rags run over the machine turned very brown very quickly.

Two of the Apple Lisa machines I have are WAY to dusty to ever work without cleaning. They have to be dismantled and blown/sucked out thoroughly.

Besides, dust helps trap heat and that can be the death of a machine.

I'm overtyping again, but I believe that keeping historically significant stuff like writing, stickers or other additions to the case is good, cleaning accumulated dirt, grime and dust is also good.

Erik

mbbrutman
June 3rd, 2003, 07:19 PM
I find it hard to buff plastic. :-)

My biggest issue is getting the insides of the machine clean again. This takes a lot of time with Qtips, alcohol, etc. A dirty machine can lead to system failures, especially where diskette drives are involved.

I've been doing a lot of cleaning lately. I don't mind battle scars from use, but dirt and grime just have to go - they are not compatible with data.

CP/M User
June 3rd, 2003, 08:28 PM
"Terry Yager" wrote in message:

> How much cleaning do you do on your classic
> systems? I used to very meticulously clean
> everything in my collection. I considered this
> "hands-on" stuff one of the joys of collecting.
> The last few years I haqve not been cleaning
> anything. Like other types of antique, I consider
> all that grunge as being part of the system.
> It's not crud, it's PATINA. How do others feel
> about this, should we clean them or not?

I put it down to what someone told me. They
suggested not to clean any dust which may
have gathered on the internal hardware &
mainboard, because you could easily damage
the hardware through Static Electricity. But
if it's kept there, then the same thing might
happen on it's own (I'm not too sure).

On my ol' Amstrad I keep dust covers over it.
Fortunately the Amstrad kinda resembles a
PC in shape & size (except the guts are in the
keyboard), so a Standard PC cover for monitor
& keyboard works just fine! :-)

For my PC externally, I just blow the dust
off it. Though my monitor does some strange
stuff some of the time, it maybe dust which
is settling on something in particular inside it.

Cheers.

barryp
June 28th, 2003, 12:05 AM
How much cleaning do you do on your classic systems?

I try to keep mine as close to original as possible.
(They didn't leave the factory with dust/dirt)

Terry Yager
June 28th, 2003, 06:42 AM
Well, I give up. I actually dug out a couple of my classics and cleaned them up the other day. The consensus seems to be that cleaner is better.

--T

Thomas Hillebrandt
June 28th, 2003, 12:11 PM
:?: Why can't I cast a vote???

Anyway.. My personal oppinion: Clean 'em!

They should be in their original state, which was clean a nice, straight out of the box. Of course, there are some peculiarities that can be fun; such as an original price-tag on the box or something like that - I usually let those stay. And if something - like a sticker or scratch or something - can't be removed without hurting the machine more, I leave it also. But I prefer having the machines look their newest...

Erik
June 28th, 2003, 01:03 PM
Funny. I just noticed that the poll was set up wrong. It was set to expire and expire it did. I reset it to never end so y'all should be able to vote now.

Hopefully that's what you wanted, Terry.

Erik

CP/M User
June 28th, 2003, 01:33 PM
"Erik" wote in message:

> Funny. I just noticed that the poll was
> set up wrong. It was set to expire and
> expire it did. I reset it to never end so
> y'all should be able to vote now.

> Hopefully that's what you wanted,
> Terry.

No sorry, I didn't want to vote. The issue
with the question seems to me that both
answers are the same. It didn't really
go into more details regarding the
cleaning of machines internally. I feel
cleaning them internally could result
in damaged chips as a result of static
electricity (yes it can short them out!).
I'd only do it, if I had the right
equipment.

Externally, I don't really mind. As I said
I keep the standard PC dust covers on
my Amstrad which keeps that clean
perfectly! :-)

I just felt the poll doesn't cover all
areas! :-(

Cheers.

gateman
July 1st, 2003, 06:23 PM
I posted a suggestion under "Tools" about using Clorox "Soft Scrub" -- works great on plastic!!

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