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Chuck(G)
March 12th, 2009, 12:18 AM
I've seen lots of major-brand systems mentioned here but very few off-brands. Where are the Tiki-100s, the IBS Ultraframes, the NEC Bungos, the Preis-es, the People's Worlds?

Someone have something obscure?

pontus
March 12th, 2009, 12:48 AM
I've seen lots of major-brand systems mentioned here but very few off-brands. Where are the Tiki-100s, the IBS Ultraframes, the NEC Bungos, the Preis-es, the People's Worlds?

Someone have something obscure?

I have a Norsk Data ND-110/CX. An fairly odd mini made in Norway. Today it's pretty much me, a few swedes and the North Korean air force who uses them :)

The company where I work has a few oddballs as well, such as the swedish unixmachine called "Diab" and I _think_ there is a Bull (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupe_Bull) in the attic.

I've never heard about the ones you listed, the commodores and apples get all the attention :)

Chuck(G)
March 12th, 2009, 09:08 AM
I've never heard about the ones you listed, the commodores and apples get all the attention :)

My Tiki-100 samples came from a customer in Sweden who, I believe said it was a Swedish-made system.

Here's a NEC Bungo Mini5 (http://page16.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/u27619083). The Bungo was actually a line of machines, from a fairly clunky desktop system to color laptops. Mostly intended for word processing (Japanese and Roman character sets), the early ones ran CP/M. Very cool stuff.

The IBS Ultraframe was a mid 1980's S-100 system using multiple 80186 boards for up to 32 users. Iit ran CP/M-86.

The Preis was a luggable CP/M Z-80 system and one of the first ones that I'm aware of to use the new Sony 3.5" format (single-sided, 40 cylinders, 600 RPM).

The People's World (not to be confused with the Olympia "People") would be a real find today. A 1970's system coming out of Berkeley, it had a wooden case with engraved brass nameplate.

Whatever happened to these old systems?

People know about the KIM-1, but how about a NEC TK-80 (1976):

http://museum.ipsj.or.jp/en/computer/personal/images/0002_01_l.jpg

carlsson
March 12th, 2009, 11:09 AM
I believe Tiki was Norwegian, but I could be wrong. Regarding less common CP/M computers, how do the Danish RC series count? There was a forum member a couple of years ago who owned a RC Piccolo or if it was RC Partner, but he's not active any more.

barythrin
March 12th, 2009, 01:05 PM
Hm.. not sure what my unusual systems would be, I guess I have lots of the common collectibles. I have a Panasonic Electronic Typing Station (cp/m desktop system) that's interesting. I also have the portable Columbia Data Products PC http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?st=1&c=889.

Don't think I have anything too uncommon, I started collecting systems that were known as firsts to minimize my spending although it still doesn't work that well.

pontus
March 12th, 2009, 01:18 PM
If trainers counts I have swedish kit called "Mickey" its an 8085-based kit made by "NTI-skolan" for learning about electronics and computing. hmm.. I should probably dump those roms before they go bad.

Never seen or heard about this kit before I found it in my fathers attic.

per
March 12th, 2009, 02:06 PM
I believe Tiki was Norwegian, but I could be wrong.

Yes, they where. Named after one of the expeditions [Kon-Tiki ekspedisjonen] of the (in)famous norwegian explorer "Thor Heyerdahl".

In fact, my school might have a pile of them (along with a pile of Tandberg computers). At least, they had a pile of them until pretty recently. I've asked a teacher (several times) if he can check if they're still there, but he never get the time.

Want one of them :(

ahm
March 12th, 2009, 02:24 PM
The Preis was a luggable CP/M Z-80 system and one of the first ones that I'm aware of to use the new Sony 3.5" format (single-sided, 40 cylinders, 600 RPM).
Very interesting. Any idea what year that came out? Got any photos?

Thanks,
Andy

Chuck(G)
March 12th, 2009, 03:09 PM
Very interesting. Any idea what year that came out? Got any photos?


About 1982. No photos, but I still have a boot diskette and BIOS listing. I remember it mostly because I was asked to code up hard disk support for it. When the project was over, I returned the system to the customer. ISTR that the hard drive was an Evotek (fairly large for the time, but flakey as all get out), but never did get to see it actually put in the box--the unit I used was spread out on my bench, as was the controller.

Terry Yager
March 12th, 2009, 08:52 PM
All I ever get around here is the proverbial (virtual) blank stare whenever I mention the PMC MicroMate, which is one of my favorite computers. I didn't think they were that obscure, anyone else remember them? No pix yet, but I'll try and post some tomorrow (I'm in no condition to dig it out tonight).

--T

EDIT: Never mind, google produced this:

http://www.computercloset.org/PMCMicroMate.htm

Close enough, except mine has a white-faced TEAC drive installed instead, just cause it looked better with the terminal I used to couple it with. I'll prob'ly switch it back to black now, since I'll be using it with an all-black terminal, soon's I get it running again.

--T

Chuck(G)
March 12th, 2009, 11:01 PM
You know, Terry, I've got a FH 5.25" drive mounted in the spitting image of that box. I can't recall where I bought the case, but I was looking for an external floppy box and found this particular one (surplus maybe, I don't recall). Does yours also have ventilation slots in the rear panel?

nige the hippy
March 13th, 2009, 06:32 AM
Wasn't it Andrew Lynch that picked one of those up too?

I've a few oddments, perhaps the oddest is the Burroughs Ofiswriter, which Al Kossow was wanting a look at 12 months ago, and I still haven't managed to dig out from the corner of the garage, even to photograph (lay the dining room floor, move the furniture out, build the bottom 3 stairs, move the pdp11 to the loft, re-arrange the harmoniums, then I have access!).

The most odd recently acquired machine is the Cifer 2683 (http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?st=1&c=1061) which is a hybrid between a terminal and a CP/M machine) it was on ebay minus keyboard, but with the (ridiculously heavy) twin 8" floppy drives. the company still exists, so I rang them about spare keyboards and documentation, and found that they had given all their spares away a week before.
Tried contacting the museum that had taken the stuff but didn't even get replies to my emails (so much for the spirit of co-operation). Anyway, purely by chance, I decided I would take the 12 or so boxes of terminals offered along with the system disks for the pdp11/systime/PC-RT (thanks again Terry!) and it included a couple of badged Cifer teminals of similar vintage, with a spare compatible keyboard! Hurray!

QuantumII
March 13th, 2009, 06:49 AM
The Tiki machines was originally called KonTiki, but legal issues forced them to change it's name to Tiki.
They did a few CPM machines too.

Schools in Norway got good deals on the Tiki machines, that's why most schools here are(were) flooded with them.

Chuck(G)
March 13th, 2009, 09:45 AM
The Tiki machines was originally called KonTiki, but legal issues forced them to change it's name to Tiki.
They did a few CPM machines too.

My samples are for the Tiki-100 CP/M version. My Swedish contact said he thought they were Swedish machines, so I'll update my notes.

I've got a sample disk for a Cifer something-or-the-other as well.

How about the hybrid 8/16 bit systems? I know that there are plenty of DEC Rainbows, Xerox 16/8 and Compupro 85/88 systems out there, but how about Vector VSX or Duets?

The systems that I find most interesting are the "last gasp" innovations, such as the Turboslave, offered before the PC buried everything else.

MikeS
March 13th, 2009, 10:15 AM
<snip>
How about the hybrid 8/16 bit systems?
<snip>
Does that mean I can count my S-100 8/32 bit dual processor Cromemcos?
Other than those all I've got is fairly normal systems made by rarely-heard-about folks like Halikan, Ogivar, Seritech etc. and, being Canadian, my Dynalogic Hyperions (Hyperia?) of course. I think I did have bits of a Fairchild F8 system somewhere though.

Chuck(G)
March 13th, 2009, 01:42 PM
Does that mean I can count my S-100 8/32 bit dual processor Cromemcos?

I'm disinclined to count S-100 systems as they could be mix-n-match. In particular, both Cromemco and Godbout/Compupro made boards for lots of processors.

Do you have the NS32016 board, perchance?


Other than those all I've got is fairly normal systems made by rarely-heard-about folks like Halikan, Ogivar, Seritech etc. and, being Canadian, my Dynalogic Hyperions (Hyperia?) of course. I think I did have bits of a Fairchild F8 system somewhere though.

I know about the Hyperions, but the Halikan, etc. are new to me. Got some specs and photos?

Terry Yager
March 13th, 2009, 02:51 PM
You know, Terry, I've got a FH 5.25" drive mounted in the spitting image of that box. I can't recall where I bought the case, but I was looking for an external floppy box and found this particular one (surplus maybe, I don't recall). Does yours also have ventilation slots in the rear panel?

Ya, that's pretty much what it looks like, but it's slightly longer than most external enclosures (see the pictures). There are ventilation holes on the sides & top, but the only holes on the rear panel are for I/O cables (console, printer, RS-232, & disk drives).

--T

Terry Yager
March 13th, 2009, 02:57 PM
I decided I would take the 12 or so boxes of terminals offered along with the system disks for the pdp11/systime/PC-RT (thanks again Terry!) and it included a couple of badged Cifer teminals of similar vintage, with a spare compatible keyboard! Hurray!

So, does this mean that you did manage to acquire the disk packs too?

--T

nige the hippy
March 13th, 2009, 04:25 PM
Well I did manage to get the 4 disk packs with the system etc on, the "data" disks are still in the safe (and another safe that they have lost the key to!) awaiting me & a degausser or an aluminium chipper :( If I'd known about them, we could have fired the system up there & then & re-formatted the other disks.

I need to do some homework & find out which surface the servo track lives on & avoid degaussing that, otherwise I just have about 2 lb of aluminium scrap with a vague possibility of resurrection.

When "B"* day happens there's another bottle of nice whisky going to Bob (the furniture shop man) and you!

I now have the original AIX install disks of the PC-RT too, and all but half a volume of the IBM manuals (water damage), hopefully they're readable as I have an ESDI disk ready for that system.

I'm really tempted to have an orange-glowy day soon, as I have my less-interesting stuff nicely shelved-up in the loft now, and some work-space around it. Hmmmmm

*=Boot!

MikeS
March 13th, 2009, 05:08 PM
I'm disinclined to count S-100 systems as they could be mix-n-match. In particular, both Cromemco and Godbout/Compupro made boards for lots of processors.

Do you have the NS32016 board, perchance?

I know about the Hyperions, but the Halikan, etc. are new to me. Got some specs and photos?
Yeah, the Cromemcos aren't really the kind of oddball systems you're looking for, but aside from the old 64K Z80 Z-2s and System 3s that everyone seems to associate with Cromemco, they were actually fairly proprietary despite using an extended S-100 bus.

Once you get into the systems with Z-80 and 680x0 CPUs on the same board, using ECC 32-bit memory, MMUs, SCSI and ESDI hard disks and tape drives running UNIX they weren't really compatible with any other hardware or operating systems. They gave DEC's comparable systems a pretty good run for the money, but alas, they didn't quite have the marketing. Like Vector and others they also had a PC-compatible in the final days, but that didn't go anywhere...

The Halikan is just a 286 large laptop, similar to a Toshiba 3100 but with an LCD screen.

The Ogivar is a clamshell 286 laptop, only noteworthy because it was one of the first and, like the Hyperion, it was Canadian.

The Seritech is just another clamshell; not sure but I think a 386sx.

Actually, the only really unusual system I have is a Sharp PC-5000 with its bubble memory cartridges and built-in thermal printer.

Depressing when I think of what I spent for some of the Cromemcos, the Halikan and the Sharp brand-new back then, not to mention the PETs, AIM-65s, M100, T3100, countless PC clones and the associated accessories... Waiting for them to get that value back as antique collectibles ;-)

Terry Yager
March 13th, 2009, 05:20 PM
The Halikan's distinguishing feature being it's ISA slot(s).

--T

tezza
March 13th, 2009, 05:36 PM
Speaking of unusual systems, one of my ongoing projects is make available scanned copies of New Zealand Bits and Bytes (http://www.classic-computers.org.nz/bits-and-bytes/index.htm). Up until the mid 1980s, this was the ONLY national magazine devoted to microcomputers here in New Zealand.

I've noticed ads for some weird and unheard-of machines (mainly CP/M or Apple compatible) machines on occasions. I'm guessing these were out of Taiwan. Similar to the RX-8800 (http://www.classic-computers.org.nz/collection/rx-8800.htm), although I've never seen an advertisement for that model in the magazine?

Another project for the future is to go through those early issues, take high-rec scans of those ads and devote part of my website to showing these oddities.

Tez

billdeg
March 13th, 2009, 08:05 PM
I just bought one of these after receiving a tip about it from the MARCH message board:

Discovery 500 MultiProcessor made by Action Computer Enterprise, Inc.

It's an S-100 bus from ~1981. It's a multi-user system with apparently multiple processors, the OS is DPOS/2 or CP/M.

Here is a picture of a similar system
http://www.dvq.com/ads/acei_byte_1_81.jpg

Here is the Ebay auction # 160319867216

Chuck(G)
March 13th, 2009, 09:10 PM
I just bought one of these after receiving a tip about it from the MARCH message board:

Discovery 500 MultiProcessor made by Action Computer Enterprise, Inc.

About a year ago, someone was trying to give away a Molecular sytem (S-100 with one Z80 board per user--big honking thing).

Anyone snag it?

jaevans
February 7th, 2017, 09:25 AM
I know this is an old thread, but I picked up a PMC-101 board recently and am about to image a disk to see if it will boot. With 1.2M 5.25 inch drive (which may not work), power, LED, and reset button, it acts as if it tries to read a junk floppy. Reset seems to act like a reset - constant drive spinning for a bit, then an "on and then off" spinning cycle. I'll let you know what the end result is. Still looking for a 720k or 360k drive for it. I'll probably make a case for it similar to the Micromate.

john - colorado springs, co

deramp5113
April 2nd, 2017, 05:36 AM
Here are a couple of odd computers from the CP/M days that I have recently restored: A Mostek AID-80F (http://deramp.com/mostek.htm) and an SD Systems SDS-51009 (http://deramp.com/sdsystems.htm)

dmemphis
April 19th, 2017, 01:20 PM
Thanks for posting the SD Systems machine... I have one! Perhaps has SSDD drives though.
I didn't have any doc on it. It might have the original board set. I'll check and post back.

deramp5113
April 19th, 2017, 04:44 PM
Great to hear! Please keep me posted with any information you may have. Not many of these systems around.

Mike

dmemphis
May 31st, 2017, 06:54 PM
Here's a link to my SD system. The top cover, if it had one is missing. The front of the case has
a fiber board bar across, which is broken, but I have the part and I think it will repair nicely.
http://imgur.com/a/4GNWB

dmemphis
May 31st, 2017, 06:59 PM
Somewhat unusual luggable, a Bondwell 12.
http://imgur.com/a/izYgJ
Its distinction was it came with speak software which sounds like SAM.
My audio worked until recently. I have to tear into it again I think the speaker
deteriorated.
Got one more unusual machine coming, have to take some photos.

lowen
June 1st, 2017, 07:21 AM
Does a Reh CPU280 count as unusual, or since it is hobbyist-buildable (and was typically hobbyist-built) and it's a board-level product for the Kontron variant of the ECB formfactor is it disqualified? Either way, I have a running CPU280.

deramp5113
June 1st, 2017, 08:41 AM
Here's a link to my SD system. The top cover, if it had one is missing. The front of the case has
a fiber board bar across, which is broken, but I have the part and I think it will repair nicely.
http://imgur.com/a/4GNWB

Thanks for posting the pictures. It's good to see that another one of these computers is actually out there. Do you know anything about the history of this computer?

Mike

Chuck(G)
June 1st, 2017, 09:23 AM
Anyone have a system from "MAD Intelligent Systems"? I have an XT clone housed in a MAD/2 box. It took a little work--the standoffs and power supply plugs don't match up with standard XT footprint. The box is physically smaller than an XT, with a single keyswitch (off, on, locked, reset) and space for 2 half-height floppies and one full-height 5.25" hard drive. I passed up a deal on the montherboard, mostly because I already had one. The box itself seems to be made in Germany.

dmemphis
June 1st, 2017, 09:30 AM
Thanks for posting the pictures. It's good to see that another one of these computers is actually out there. Do you know anything about the history of this computer?

Mike

Sadly I do not.

Roland Huisman
June 1st, 2017, 11:37 PM
Holborn 6100 and 6500 unusual enough? :)

Capable of running HOS (Holborn Operating System), CP/M and MP/M.
Max 192K bank switched. The 6500 has the same motherboard as the 6100.
The 5.25" disks share the same data structure as the 8" variant. 77 tracks.
You can put an 8" image directly onto an 5.25 inch disk.

38919


38918

Got also this Tei machine which should be capable of running CP/M.
http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?57418-Tei-computer
Someone as removed the FDD controller in the past and there is no
software of hardware documentation. So for me it is a bit unusual as well...

Regards, Roland

Tor
June 1st, 2017, 11:40 PM
I have a Norsk Data ND-110/CX. An fairly odd mini made in Norway. Today it's pretty much me, a few swedes and the North Korean air force who uses them :).. and a couple of Norwegians, myself included. My ND-110 Satellite is in reasonably good shape, and will help my emulator getting better.
The Holy Grail for me would be a Norsk Data ND-5000 system.
[Edit: Wow, I wasn't aware of the thread revival - apparently I replied to an eight year old post! Of course Pontus is extremely aware of at least some of those Norwegian ND boxes.. he was involved in getting at least one of those into Norwegian hands IIRC]