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lutiana
April 6th, 2009, 03:22 PM
So I have been doing a lot of googleling for useful DOS apps out there, and have found there is a plethora of them, so many in fact it is hard to choose.

So I decided that we needed a Thread for information purposes, so I challenge everyone out there to post their must have, favorite and fun applications here, preferably with a URL on where to get them and indicate if they will run on pre-386 machines.

Eventually we can turn this into a page for our wiki, which I am sure Terry I will like, and this may become Sticky material.

Perhaps we can build a shareware CD of the all the apps that we can make available in ISO format or something.

pontus
April 6th, 2009, 10:30 PM
Cubic Player! - Not sure if it works on pre-386, necessary to play those amiga mods.

Fasttracker-II! - Probably dosn't work on pre-386. I'm no musician, but I enjoy the version of nibbles that comes with it :twisted:

arjoll
April 7th, 2009, 02:27 AM
Xtree Gold. I couldn't live without it until I was forced to by running Vista 64 bit. I've downloaded ZtreeWin to replace it.

I've been running it since I had my 286 - I can't remember if it ran on the 5160's at work though.

Its not shareware though so download link I'm afraid!

lutiana
April 7th, 2009, 07:51 AM
Xtree Gold. I couldn't live without it until I was forced to by running Vista 64 bit. I've downloaded ZtreeWin to replace it.

I've been running it since I had my 286 - I can't remember if it ran on the 5160's at work though.

Its not shareware though so download link I'm afraid!

http://www.xtreefanpage.org/lowres/x60softw.htm

The 30 day trial version, and some clones of it.

I prefer Symantecs Norton Commander 5.
Check out: http://www.softpanorama.org/OFM/Paradigm/Ch03/norton_commander.shtml#nc5.5 for the history of Norton Commander.

Chuck(G)
April 7th, 2009, 08:37 AM
My favorites were the little TSR apps that could be called on anytime. Simon was a very cool utility app from the UK that was sort of a swiss army knife. Modesty prevents me from mentioning ConFormat...

barythrin
April 7th, 2009, 09:02 AM
In one of the virus collections I had there was one called "bugjoke.com". We looked through it and it wasn't a virus (not sure why it's considered one) but it's a tsr that you can hit some key combination and ascii "bug" looking things go around randomly on the screen (clearing the screen). I used to use it as the equivalent of a screen saver for dos.

Although it's better to just get an intro to programming and write your own. Later in my first C program I just had a smiley face (ascii 01) bounce around the screen to keep burnin from happening.

I didn't have that many 3rd party apps in dos that I relied on. My friends and I all used Norton AV for DOS after scanning our collection and finding which scanner (f-prot, NAV, mcafee, thunder something) would find the most. NAV always won.

I used debug to undelete files sometimes but that was mostly after they removed undelete from dos.

XE (hexedit) or hiew (hacker's view) were good hex editors but I don't remember if they ran on my 8088 or pre-DOS 5.x

Everything else I'd say qbasic/quickbasic or TurboC to keep yourself entertained and write any other missing apps ;-)

Ole Juul
April 7th, 2009, 10:45 AM
I agree with Chuck(G) that the TSRs are the best part. Until other OSs get that one working they will never compete with DOS in a truly functional way. :p However, the most used apps on my computers are DM and TED. If someone would write a file viewer and a functional text editor for Linux, I might think about switching for good. Actually the other thing that Linux doesn't do properly is cut and paste. I use SNIPPER for that. So, these are not only my favourite they are my essentials:


DM COM 8,564 08-25-91 3:44p
TED COM 3,072 01-01-80 1:07p
SNIPPER COM 2,048 10-20-92 3:00a
3 file(s) 13,684 bytes

Ole Juul
April 7th, 2009, 11:06 AM
Regarding Xtree and NC: there is an interesting alternative. I don't use these kinds of programs myself, but it looks like the Danish DosCommander by Søren Kragh could be the better one. His documentation is interesting, so I'll quote a bit here:

DC is an optimized version of The Norton Commander, in that it's
faster and uses less RAM. ...

The Mail, Link and quick View facilities found in NC have been left
out of DC, as I've never had any use for them. On the other hand, some
things have been much enhanced. The internal editor, for example, can
now be used for more than fiddling with your autoexec.bat. - Also, the
coding errors I've found in NC have not been implemented in DC.

DC was coded in 100% assembly language for maximum speed and re-
liability and minimal RAM use. Thus, the program is not infested
with BASIC, C or other such toy stuff.

Søren Kragh

hehe :p
It's freeware so here is a copy:

linuxlove
April 7th, 2009, 02:24 PM
you should include:
the Mario game (download here: http://www.dosgamesarchive.com/download/game/114 )

Hocus Pocus (also download here: http://www.dosgamesarchive.com/download/game/109 )

And QuickBASIC 4.5 (yes, i'm a qbasic nerd! then again, so is mike chambers... I'll also upload it when i get a chance.)

As you can tell, i like old DOS games.

mbbrutman
April 7th, 2009, 04:15 PM
Reminder - don't post links to things that are not legally cleared for distribution. If you are not the copyright holder you need permission to distribute it.

lutiana
April 7th, 2009, 04:22 PM
Reminder - don't post links to things that are not legally cleared for distribution. If you are not the copyright holder you need permission to distribute it.

Yes, please keep this in mind. I was mostly wanting to collect apps that are free for download and use, or available for purchase.

linuxlove
April 7th, 2009, 05:59 PM
well, ok, skip qbasic, but the mario game is freeware and hocus pocus is shareware, so no harm in distributing those...

Trixter
April 7th, 2009, 06:16 PM
All of these work on an 8088 and are free:

PC Valet by John Junod is 23K and has everything you need to manage a lot of files. It's freeware as of 1994 and I've always liked it better than xtree gold.

Aurora is the best text editor I have ever seen for DOS. It's flexibility and capabilities exceed anything else you will find on a DOS machine, and . The author gave me permission to distribute a cracked 16-bit version (he has the free 32-bit version on his website) which you can get here: http://www.oldskool.org/guides/texteditors Only one problem: Lots of CGA snow, so if you have a CGA card that exhibits the snow problem, it might annoy you. But the speed is worth it.

For that matter, T.COM is a slow but feature-filled 4K text editor that I put onto all my boot floppies.

LxPic (http://hplx.pgdn.de/lxpic.zip) is the fastest *and* smallest viewer for JPG/GIF on an 8088 and works with CGA up to SVGA.

Unixslave
April 7th, 2009, 07:03 PM
MY favorite DOS software?

Number one choice, the multi-tasking, Desqview.

Hands down.

Mike Chambers
April 7th, 2009, 07:05 PM
lemme think about this one.... wait no need to. quickbasic 7.1 PDS. :mrgreen:

Ole Juul
April 7th, 2009, 07:12 PM
Do I get one more try?... No?
Well, here goes anyway. :p

COMMAND.COM !!!

Mike Chambers
April 7th, 2009, 07:14 PM
Do I get one more try?... No?
Well, here goes anyway. :p

COMMAND.COM !!!

never heard of it. is it shareware?

barythrin
April 8th, 2009, 08:10 AM
lmao. What was wrong with edit? ;-) Ok I remember a few essentials I had.

pkzip/pkunzip (in general it's what I used, not to say other cli or algorithms weren't better but it was there at the time and worked great).

intersvr/interlnk = built-in but not sure what versions of DOS were required. Easy way to transfer programs from one system to another via serial/parallel port. I had my low end systems always mapped this way.

I ditto quickbasic 7.1 although I never knew about it in it's prime so I was stuck on 4.5 and tinkered with visual basic 1.0 (dos).

For slightly newer systems (I don't remember the oldest system (pre-386) I tried it on) I'd still recommend a parallel zip drive. Especially when you consider it being as big or bigger than your hard drive (slow though, but compatible).

I dunno though.. I guess DOS covered everything I needed pretty well. I really didn't have a lot of requirements for additional software, especially after sitting there and reading the dos command manual that came with the Zenith. Did everything I needed pretty well, and everything else was just games.

Chuck(G)
April 8th, 2009, 08:38 AM
Do I get one more try?... No?
Well, here goes anyway. :p

COMMAND.COM !!!

Ever use 4DOS (http://www.4dos.info/v4dos.htm)? A big improvement.

StickByDos
April 8th, 2009, 09:41 AM
4DOS Revived! (http://www.4dos.zzl.org/)
filename completion with tab
SELECT command when you work with lots of files

linuxlove
April 8th, 2009, 10:18 AM
oh and i forgot, here's a freeware utility that i made myself in qbasic:
(sorry, the floppy disks that i had it on got erased, so if the link whines at you to sign in, PM me and i'll get you a direct link as soon as possible :D )

http://www.rubbermallet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1&t_id=1

TandyMan100
April 8th, 2009, 10:26 AM
Windows 3.1, Deskmate, and M$ Flight Simulator 4.0b

To my knowlege they will all (with the possible exeption of windows lol) work on an 8088 or z80 with DOS on it.

Mad-Mike
April 8th, 2009, 01:51 PM
Favorite DOS apps....

Excluding games and GUI's

- WordPerfect 5.1 = Favorite Word Processor
- Microsoft Works 1.0 = Favorite Office Package
- Harvard Graphics 3.0 = Favorite Graphics/Presentation Program
- Graf-X II = Favorite DOS Based Paint Program
- Arachne = Favorite DOS Web Browser
- LeetIRC = Favorite DOS IRC Client
- PKUNZIP 2.50 = Favorite DOS Archive Utility

Other favs are mostly NES ROM Hacking Utilities
- Tile Layer - used to spend hours with this changing the graphics in NES ROMS
- Hexpose - Hex Editor
- NESTICLE - Emulator
- LoopyNES Beta - Emulator

Bungo Pony
April 8th, 2009, 02:04 PM
My usual essentials:

Qedit (any version)
Ace for DOS
PKzip / Unzip (used with ACE)
UnRAR (used with ACE)
ARJ (used with ACE)
PKarc (used with ACE)
Telix - for moving files between two non-networked computers
ANSI.com (or ANSI.sys, can't remember which) for playing door games
MSCDEX for CD-ROM support

MikeS
April 8th, 2009, 02:11 PM
Windows 3.1, Deskmate, and M$ Flight Simulator 4.0b

To my knowlege they will all (with the possible exeption of windows lol) work on an 8088 or z80 with DOS on it.Mmm... Flight Sim on a Z80; ya gotta love it!

TandyMan100
April 8th, 2009, 02:19 PM
ohhh.... yeah. Can't tell if you're disbelieving or not, but I have run MSFS on a Tandy with a Z80.

Mike Chambers
April 8th, 2009, 03:40 PM
Windows 3.1, Deskmate, and M$ Flight Simulator 4.0b

To my knowlege they will all (with the possible exeption of windows lol) work on an 8088 or z80 with DOS on it.

hehe yep you need win 3.0 for an 8088. it's so slow though. i put it on my supersport, made a drawing in paint and then did DELTREE C:\WINDOWS

Mike Chambers
April 8th, 2009, 03:42 PM
Favorite DOS apps....

Excluding games and GUI's

- WordPerfect 5.1 = Favorite Word Processor
- Microsoft Works 1.0 = Favorite Office Package
- Harvard Graphics 3.0 = Favorite Graphics/Presentation Program
- Graf-X II = Favorite DOS Based Paint Program
- Arachne = Favorite DOS Web Browser
- LeetIRC = Favorite DOS IRC Client
- PKUNZIP 2.50 = Favorite DOS Archive Utility

Other favs are mostly NES ROM Hacking Utilities
- Tile Layer - used to spend hours with this changing the graphics in NES ROMS
- Hexpose - Hex Editor
- NESTICLE - Emulator
- LoopyNES Beta - Emulator

that makes me feel good! :)

here's a version i haven't officially released yet that i think you'll like to use. it's the same as v1.1 except i replaced the slow POKE screen writing routines with an ASM routine it's SO MUCH FASTER it's quite usable on an 8088. :)

http://rubbermallet.org/LEETTEST.ZIP

Chuck(G)
April 8th, 2009, 03:42 PM
Anyone use Gem?

Fallo
April 8th, 2009, 06:30 PM
hehe yep you need win 3.0 for an 8088. it's so slow though. i put it on my supersport, made a drawing in paint and then did DELTREE C:\WINDOWS

I think the system requirements for Windows 3.0 said "8 Mhz or better". There was a video on Youtube of a guy running it on an XT, and it took forever to draw the Program Manager screen. You can't even use it in a color video mode on XTs.

Trixter
April 8th, 2009, 07:44 PM
Anyone use Gem?

I always thought GEM was a joke. I'm not saying Windows was better -- it wasn't. But I didn't think GEM (in any incarnation) was decent.

The only GUI that impressed me was GeoWorks, ie. GeoWorks Ensemble. (And if GeoWorks doesn't impress you then you are dead inside, dead I say!)

Chuck(G)
April 8th, 2009, 09:01 PM
Yeah, I brought up Gem a couple of months ago and my reaction was the same--i.e. now what? I suppose that if it had come with a nice set of applications, it might have gained some traction (as it did as the OS for the Atari ST).

I was curious if anyone had found any practical day-to-day use for it. Like IBM Topview, I guess not.

Unknown_K
April 8th, 2009, 10:15 PM
Xtree Gold
Desqview
QEMM
Norton Utilities
Telix
Professional Write
Lotus Works
Harvard Graphics
Microsoft Professional Basic
MSDOS 6.22
Colorado Backup
PKZIP

Terry Yager
April 8th, 2009, 11:43 PM
Windows 3.1, Deskmate, and M$ Flight Simulator 4.0b

To my knowlege they will all (with the possible exeption of windows lol) work on an 8088 or z80 with DOS on it.

Z80???...with DOS???...:confused:...???

--T

Terry Yager
April 8th, 2009, 11:51 PM
I'm another one who mostly used the CLI for nearly everything. Any good text editor is better than EDLIN (I used several, depending on which one was easier to find). Besides that, the programs I used the most were PKZIP, and a good comms program, first Procomm, then later switched to Telix for it's ZMODEM capability, which the then-current version of Procomm didn't support.

--T

Ole Juul
April 9th, 2009, 01:05 AM
Telix is a great progam. I never got into the scripting though but I understand you can actually write a BBS using Telix. I've used it a lot for regular work though. Procomm is nice and clean, but in the end the one I like the best and always use, is Lync. It's still right here at my fingertips. :) I've got the colours nice and subdued and not clashing so you can sit in the dark and surf BBSs without getting a headache. That was a few sleeps back though - sigh.

TandyMan100
April 9th, 2009, 04:12 AM
Z80???...with DOS???...:confused:...???

--T
for example, the Tandy 1000 series. HD FD HDFD TX RX LOL MCP ROFL. :mrgreen: THey all used MS-DOS 3 or higher. (which is why Windows wont work, not a high enough verson of DOS, it requires 5 or higher.)

snq
April 9th, 2009, 04:29 AM
Back in the day i used 4DOS too. Norton commander was another thing I used a lot. And of course necessities like pkzip/unzip and arj.
Turbo Pascal and quickbasic 4.5 were other favorites back then.

Now I haven't used either pascal or basic for over 10 years so the first thing I installed on my PS/2 other than some games was Turbo C 2.01 :) Unfortunately I only have 1 MB of memory which turns out to be too little for TC3 :(
I think we used 2.01 in college, but it could've been version 3. Only to find out they switched to MS Visual C on the day of an important test, something none of us had ever seen before. Guess how that went? Switching from DOS to Windows, a completely new environment with new keys and everything..

Terry Yager
April 9th, 2009, 10:26 AM
for example, the Tandy 1000 series. HD FD HDFD TX RX LOL MCP ROFL. :mrgreen: THey all used MS-DOS 3 or higher. (which is why Windows wont work, not a high enough verson of DOS, it requires 5 or higher.)

Oh, I get it...you're trolling me. Beware, my leetle friend, you're dealing with a master. I'll let ya off easy this time, but don't try it again! (BTW, nice work, Grasshopper, ya almost got me).:sneaky:

--T

TandyMan100
April 9th, 2009, 10:41 AM
what? How did I troll you? I generally try to be polite! :oops:

Fallo
April 9th, 2009, 10:45 AM
for example, the Tandy 1000 series. HD FD HDFD TX RX LOL MCP ROFL. :mrgreen: THey all used MS-DOS 3 or higher. (which is why Windows wont work, not a high enough verson of DOS, it requires 5 or higher.)

Windows 3.x will work with DOS 3.1, but 5 was recommended because of it's memory-management features. In fact, if you use Windows 3.0 on an XT, you pretty much have to use DOS 3.x because 5 and 6 use too much valuable memory and XTs have no HMA to load them into.

So yes of course you can use W3.0 on a Tandy 1000, the only little caveats being that Windows Setup thinks the Tandy's video is Hercules, and that you have to use the Windows 2.x Tandy driver to get color and nicer-looking text.