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leaknoil
August 26th, 2009, 09:55 PM
I just picked up a as/400 system. I don't have any idea where to begin with it so, I'm asking some preemptive questions before I bother setting it all up.

The people that sold it to me were not only not helpful they were hostile. Seriously, they were real a**es. Came out of a rebar factory. I don't expect making rebar your whole life makes you a better person. These people were really unhappy.

Anyway, so it looks just like this minus the floppy drive

http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/logo/images/920913.jpg

I didn't get the key and its in the 'secure' position. That going to bite me ? Are they generic keys like many other manufacturer's gear ?

Ok, so here's this big tan box. AFAIK, the only out is a single db25. It also came with a small IBM box called a 5394-01B. It has a 1.44mb floppy drive and an on/off switch. The back has a db25m and three large round 2 pin connectors.

I also got a few infowindow terminals. Three different styles but, most have a db25 and a db20 ? connector. I didn't count the smaller connectors pins. Looks about 20-18 and I'm too lazy to run back down stairs right now.

There are a ton of cables that came with this. None of which make much sense. Most related to the large 2 pin DIN style connector. I even got a couple strange heavy duty molded things that go from db25 to more of the 2pin things. Unless I'm missing it the cpu has none of these 2 pin connectors on it.

There is no chance I will ever get any question answered from these people. Passwords are out of the question if it has them. I am pretty sure they will hurl rebar at me if I try and go back. I don't think they like outsiders in their little rebar kingdom.

NeXT
August 26th, 2009, 11:24 PM
two pin? You mean twinax?
Well, for starters you are going to have to dig preeeeeeety deep to find a source for the OS. AS/400 systems are pretty obscure but once you have one setup they might as well be put in a closet and forgotten about as they run forever. The local Canadian Tire still uses one for their inventory database and I bet you it's been there since it opened in the 80's.

Other than that, I really don't know where to start. :/

tezza
August 27th, 2009, 03:07 AM
Nice looking machine!

Incidently, what is "rebar"?

Tez

NeXT
August 27th, 2009, 07:15 AM
Rebar is the stuff that they put in concrete forms to reinforce it. It's basically just a ribbed steel rod.
How much power does it require?

barythrin
August 27th, 2009, 08:32 AM
You don't have to worry much about where to start. I'm not 100% sure what your 2-pin DIN connections are but they do sound like Twin-Ax (predecessor to Coax) .. btw.. keep those cables or offer em up, they're a pain to find lol, I have a few systems that use them I just haven't gotten back to the project. Usually it meant they connect to a terminal.

So back to your system, I'm guessing you have a serial connection on the back of the system. You'll want to ensure you're giving it the right power source (hopefully 120V) but other than that, plug it in and see what happens. If you have a terminal or an old computer, connect a serial cable to the back and open the com port at a low speed (or better yet google around for a manual and know what settings to choose) and see what you get presented with.

If it boots and asks for a password, then you can search around for resetting a lost as/400 password, etc but I wouldn't let that hold you back from turning it on and seeing what happens.

The keys/locks on the front are sometimes a power setting (turn system on, off, or debug/setup mode) and sometimes a case lock so you can't open up the case. That's a bit of a pain if it's a case lock although you have physical control over the box so creativity wise you can probably get in to it either way.

I'm not 100% sure but I think the keys are the same. Kinda depends on the functionality on whether or not it's worth playing with the key.

sparx
August 27th, 2009, 10:40 AM
Hello all, this is my first post here, so greetings.
I was for about 4 years an AS/400 operator, I am very rusty, but here goes.
You will need at least the password for the profile/user ID of QSECOFR.
The Q is at the beginning of most IBM profiles, but SECOFR means Security Officer, in AS/400 terms, God (or very close).

The Twin ax cable is what is used to connect the displays (dumb terminals) to the box, normally through some kind of network box. But you may as suggested hook up a serial cable and see what happens.

Good luck!

Sparx

sparx
August 27th, 2009, 11:22 AM
PS The 5394-01B is a twinax controller.

mbbrutman
August 27th, 2009, 11:50 AM
Leaknoil,

If you search the forums back a few years you'll find some fairly long posts about the AS/400. We get them occasionally here.

Yours is an older 'white box' model which was made from the late 1980s to the mid 1990s. There are some fairly decent administration books out there, and there is a Usenet newsgroup devoted to the AS/400. The AS/400 is the follow-on to the IBM System 38, and is not known as 'System i'.

From 1992 to 2001 I was an operating system developer on the AS/400. My code is probably not on that box because I worked on the next generation, but I have great memories of those boxes. They have a well deserved reputation of being 'bullet proof' servers, although unlike any other server out there.

danwerner
August 27th, 2009, 11:59 AM
I have installed LOTS of these and hopefully I can help. You will need several things:

#1: a twinax cable
#2: a 5250 compatable twinax terminal
#3: it is very probable that you will need the OS/400 installation tapes


For the very most part, the AS/400 does not support standard serial terminals. There was a workstation controller that supported them, but it was very rare and 99% of the 400's did not have them. If you check e-bay you should be able to find one (a terminal) no problem.
Make sure any terminal you buy comes with the twinax "T" connector it should have 2 connections on it (an "in" and an "out"). You will need a cable to connect the terminal to the AS/400. Set the terminal to address "0" (in the terminal setup, or if it is really old, on DIP switches) and connect the cable to twinax port "0" on the 400. This should be the port for the system "Console". If the terminal does not "Auto terminate" the cable you will need to set the termination switch on the "T" connector.

You will need to find some way to get the key switch set to "Manual". If it were me, I would dissassemble the switch and remove the lock from it, then you can just turn it to whatever mode you want.

Once the unit is in "manual" mode, use the front panel switches to select mode "02" then select "B". This will boot from IPL (initial program load, or boot) source "B" and in manual mode. This should bring you up to the DST. "Dedicated Service Tools". The default password is all two's (22222222222), most 400s of that era have the defaults in there. Once you are in DST (depending on the version of the Operating System), you may be able to reset the QSECOFR password. If you can, you are set, if not, well -- it's OS loadin' time.

(BTW the default password for QSECOFR was QSECOFR, but most everyone changes that).

If you have to load the OS, you will need to know the model number in order to get the OS tapes. the model number is on a little plate above the master power switch, and below the control panel. It will have the model (like E-05) and a serial number like (10-17094)

All of the manuals and OS load instructions are available for download on IBM's web site. (used to be AS400BKS.rochester.ibm.com) Operating system load instructions are in there. AFIK, there are no versions of the OS that are public domain, and it will need to be less than V4R0M0 (IIRC), otherwise you will need license keys from IBM (very expensive). I think you need to stick with a V2 os, as this is a "white box" as/400.

Hopefully this helps!!

Dan Werner

tezza
August 27th, 2009, 02:19 PM
It's interesting to read this. Having had nothing to do with server hardware ever, I realise there is a whole other (rather complex) world of 1980s-90s vintage computing out there.

Sounds like server hardware admin/maintenace was a fairly specialist and complex business. Good luck with getting it going.

Tez

Lorne
August 27th, 2009, 04:57 PM
Nice looking machine!

Incidently, what is "rebar"?

Tez

Rebar (reinforcing steel) used in conc ftgs (concrete footings), SOG (slab on grade), and CMU (concrete masonry unit) walls.

It's a North American thing Tez - everything seems to get shortened to a few letters - makes it easier to remember the spelling, which even then, doesn't work quite as planned.

You get used to it after a while though - it's like that texting stuff. TTFN.

leaknoil
August 27th, 2009, 05:03 PM
Thanks for all the good advice. I haven't really had time to set it up yet but, I'm going to try tonight.

The Model appears to be a 9402 C04. Does that make any sense ?

The only documentation I got with it was a set of manuals for the AS/400 Construction Management and Accounting System II (CMASII). That and a 1/4" tape labeled IBM Test Tape.

For terminals I got 5 IBM Infowindow terminals with keyboards. There are a couple different types but, they either have a DB25 and DB15 or just a single DB15. They are models 3477 or 3476. They all have keys in them. What ever that key does.

The back of the AS/400 has the Twinax connectors labeled 0 and 1. Then above those in some sort of plug in module is a db25 male connector. The plug in module says 6152 on it and nothing else.

So, I'm guessing I'll need something that goes from the Twinax to the db15 connector correct ? I found one dongle that has a db15 connector on one end and a pair of the Twinaxe things on the other end.

leaknoil
August 27th, 2009, 05:33 PM
Rebar is the stuff that they put in concrete forms to reinforce it. It's basically just a ribbed steel rod.
How much power does it require?

Haven't actually got around to plugging it in yet. Its a big box but, not as heavy as you would think looking at it. Gives me hope the power supply isn't too bad.

leaknoil
August 27th, 2009, 09:55 PM
OK so, I dragged it upstairs. I tired plugging it in and just get the 0000aadd status message which google tells me is because it cant start if its in the secure position.

I decided to take the thing apart and its not a lot of fun. What a beast. After all that unscrewing there is almost nothing inside. They just threw blocks of that crappy foam that always turns to mush after 20 years inside. So in this big giant box you have 3 half height scsi drives and a mother board thats about 12" x 10" . Thats it. Its all empty space. Well except for chunks of foam I have to clean out and toss. The whole guts of the thing could easily fit in a small pc case. Except the giant power supply.

Its was humming along after pressing the power button and only drawing 46 watts. This might be a fun box to leave running 24/7 if it stays that low. It will go up after it spins up the drives but, its still going to be pretty low.

The rebar people actually got back to me and said they may have found the key. Seriously doubt it but, now I have to wait on bypassing the keyswitch unless I want to solder it all back again. They are going to mail it to me. It is more likely the key to a file cabinet somewhere but, well see.

NeXT
August 28th, 2009, 05:31 AM
Man up and go over there to get the key. >_>
You make them sound like they eat babies for dinner and beat their wench wives. :p

sparx
August 28th, 2009, 06:35 AM
And while you are there, ask them for the passwords.

barythrin
August 28th, 2009, 08:27 AM
Well that's cool enough that they actually got back to you with it. Most of those system keys like you probably already found, can be shorted to bypass them. We had a similar issue with an old IBM a friend found (he disassembled it before I got there).. really odd unit though, had a black box full of car style fuses inside of it and that lock. We shorted/jumpered it ourselves to get it to boot but again, it was his.. he wasn't a collector so after a little error more than trial he gutted it.

leaknoil
August 28th, 2009, 09:57 AM
And while you are there, ask them for the passwords.

I asked for the passwords. That's when things got a little uncomfortable. All of a sudden they started giving me the third degree. Demanded to Xerox my drivers license or they wouldn't give it to me. People started being contacted. Bosses started getting involved from mysterious trailers...

NeXT
August 28th, 2009, 10:17 AM
That's because you didn't bother to mention that without the password, not only is the OS useless but the entire system.

barythrin
August 28th, 2009, 10:46 AM
Eh, breaking into the OS is half the fun. For future use, if they have it connected you could politely hint if they could reset the password on the system but usually a company would rather wipe it out or take out the drive. That makes it more difficult if you don't have the installation media. Sometimes it's better to error in caution and get a more complete system before they realize 'hey he's walking out with company data and credentials'.

leaknoil
August 28th, 2009, 10:49 AM
That's because you didn't bother to mention that without the password, not only is the OS useless but the entire system.

I did but, these weren't IT guys. These were guys wearing hard hats and covered in black dusty grime from handling the steel. All they started thinking that I must be after their ancient data.

Chuck(G)
August 28th, 2009, 10:59 AM
You're fortunate that they weren't computer-savvy enough to have the hard drives (or even the whole system) fed to a chipper.

leaknoil
August 28th, 2009, 11:04 AM
Eh, breaking into the OS is half the fun. For future use, if they have it connected you could politely hint if they could reset the password on the system but usually a company would rather wipe it out or take out the drive. That makes it more difficult if you don't have the installation media. Sometimes it's better to error in caution and get a more complete system before they realize 'hey he's walking out with company data and credentials'.

Exactly ! I've learned that the hard way. At first I wasn't even going to mention passwords as I knew exactly what would happen. I was in the middle of loading and happened to forget I wasn't going to ask and did. That's when everything stopped and people started scurrying everywhere.

The key they will help me with because they wont make the connection between machine access and a key. I'll never get the passwords. They may even be using the same ones on whatever replaced this.

There are wise words in barythrin's post for any of you new to the collecting hobby. If its an individual its usually cool to ask question and often gets you all sorts of cool extra stuff. If its a company, say nothing at all. Grab everything you can politely and professionally as you can and get lost as fast as you can. This usually works for me. Things only went south after I opened my stupid mouth.

leaknoil
September 1st, 2009, 07:38 PM
OK so I got the key !!

First off how do I safely shut it down from the front panel if I get it in a screwed up state ? There is an emergency switch that just cuts power. I'm going to guess this is a bad thing to do too often.

OK, so into manual it goes. I hit the select till it goes to 02. Then I hit enter. Then I hit select till it said 02 B. I'm not really sure what to do now. Hitting enter again just seems to toggle the display between 02 B and 02.

I tried hitting the power on button. So everything runs up and after a long time I get a blinking underline in the top left of the console. I tried random junk and hitting enter and I get a flashing 099. It just sits there flashing 099 pretty much forever after that. One time I somehow got a info screen that said there was no valid password and gave me a choice of entering a new one or bypassing the password.

I choose enter a new one where it displayed a bunch of system info and then asked for a password. I thought it meant a new password but, maybe not because it went back to flashing 099 at me and after several reboots (which are probably bad with that switch) I havent been able to figure out how to get back to that screen.

MattCarp
September 1st, 2009, 09:04 PM
Thanks for all the good advice. I haven't really had time to set it up yet but, I'm going to try tonight.

The Model appears to be a 9402 C04. Does that make any sense ?

For terminals I got 5 IBM Infowindow terminals with keyboards. There are a couple different types but, they either have a DB25 and DB15 or just a single DB15. They are models 3477 or 3476. They all have keys in them. What ever that key does.

The back of the AS/400 has the Twinax connectors labeled 0 and 1. Then above those in some sort of plug in module is a db25 male connector. The plug in module says 6152 on it and nothing else.

So, I'm guessing I'll need something that goes from the Twinax to the db15 connector correct ? I found one dongle that has a db15 connector on one end and a pair of the Twinaxe things on the other end.

I had a 'black box' AS/400 (9462 I think) for a period. After getting the machine, I spent a small fortune getting the InfoWindow set up as I had to buy the terminal, then a keyboard, then the db15-twinax adapter. This gear doesn't show up on eBay that much.

Anyway, the db15 will plug into the infowindow. You'll run a twinax to the plastic terminal block (that block should have a number of twinax ports and a large db37 or whatever cable coming out of it), and you connect the large db37 cable to the as/400.

I enjoyed having an example from that line of minicomputers (S/38, AS/400), but found that that the "o" in OS/400 didn't stand for open and that I couldn't find any real documentation on how the machine was architected or how to develop software for it. It appeared to be too hard to do anything with it, so I sold it to someone who was an AS/400 developer and wanted a home machine. Most programming seems to be in RPG - report program generator.

That was maybe 2-3 years ago. Now, coincidently, I'm doing work at a large ($8B) company whose main systems are on the iSeries! I can raise some specific questions if you like. PM me.

mbbrutman
September 1st, 2009, 09:24 PM
You want a normal mode IPL ( Mode 2 ) and use the 'B' to get the latest version of code. On this machine the 'A' side contains 'factory code', while the 'B' side of the switch starts the machine with any fixes that were applied.

(This method allows you to recover from a bad fix to the OS, which was rare but it happened.)

Also, be patient. Wait. If you used the emergency power off the machine is going to examine ever sector on its hard drives to look for inconsistent data. After a power loss event it can take 30 to 40 minutes to get to a problem. Be patient - it is working.


Mike

leaknoil
September 1st, 2009, 10:03 PM
OK, I got a step further. I'm going through the reset password stuff I found online. Its taking a long time to boot. I just bypassed this step but, is there a way to find the password for this part ?


1982


BTW, this came with a few modems. What options do I have for accessing those and where do they connect ? Is that what the one DB25 if for ?

sparx
September 2nd, 2009, 12:19 AM
It will take a while to boot especially if its recovering from an abnormal shutdown, this is normal. As is a line in the top left of the display, be patient, its booting.

They expect a "clean" shutdown, just like PC's.

Have you tried QSECOFR as a password?

Lets get the thing running smoothly before the modems come on-line.
You are getting there.

S

leaknoil
September 2nd, 2009, 01:08 AM
edit: I did the manual boot, reset the qsecofr password, and then did the ipl boot. It then gave me page after page of what looked like OS options to install, remove, disable, or something like that. I just kept hitting f3 past them. I'm not really sure what they were but. I'd guess installed OS and patches.

I got in and spent the night going through menus. What an odd OS. I haven't had this much fun in an old box in awhile. Its all totally new to me.

How do I correctly shut it down ? I cant find any software off switch. Is the 'delayed off' button on the front panel the way to turn it off ?

Are there docs anywhere online for these old as/400's ? Is it possible to get and reinstall the OS ? While its slightly funny reading these letters between rebar companies and contractors (they really go at it) it would be kind of cool to start with a totally fresh slate.

Is there such a thing as a opensource os/400 application archive ? How do I tell which version I am running anyway?

Does twinaxe really need to be this hardcore ? This stuff is really hard have laying anywhere. Its like 1/2" cable. How many amps they have running through there ?

Bit too many questions at once. Sorry. Thanks for all the help.

sparx
September 2nd, 2009, 04:17 AM
Excellent news!

OK, to switch off, you need to "Power down the system", from a command line at the bottom of the screen, type pwrdwnsys then press F4 (Someone correct me if this is wrong), this will prompt you for the power down options

*IMMED - immediately
*CNTRLD - Controlled end a much cleaner option.

S

NeXT
September 2nd, 2009, 07:58 AM
I'm quite sure you can still get Twinax Baluns (http://www.connectmore.co.uk/legacy/images/untitled_000.JPG) and then just use plain Cat5 cable but then you take the fun out of this awesome system. ;D
Also, someone correct me if wrong but primarily, OS/400 has no real filesystem. It's all one massive database.
Also, you will not find any open source communities let alone much support. Like most of the big iron IBM made, very very little of the documentation ever made it out into the wild. This also includes software programming tools among other things.

mbbrutman
September 2nd, 2009, 08:25 AM
There is plenty of documentation for the AS/400 ...

Look for IBM 'InfoCenter' and IBM Redbooks. The challenge will be for finding documentation on a system this old - IBM lets the documentation out, but doesn't keep it there 15 years after the system is obsolete.

Chuck(G)
September 2nd, 2009, 10:03 AM
There's also a Wiki for IBM System I-type midrange systems:

http://wiki.midrange.com/index.php/Main_Page

It's an interesting concept, architecturally speaking, particularly the TIM feature, where a compiled program contains not only its own instruction set, but implementation of these instructions, which can be substituted for another should the same program need to be run on a machine with a different CPU.

However, as I understand it, the CISC AS/400 pretty much has no memory protection, leaving this to the TIM implementation.

I didn't think that it was possible to design a job control language that was more opaque than OS/360 JCL, but it seems the OS/400 people have succeeded. What an alphabet soup--clearly not made for verbal communication!

I don't think you'll see Linux on one of these anytime soon.

mbbrutman
September 2nd, 2009, 11:50 AM
I'm not too familiar with the CISC boxes. It was my job to make them obsolete.

The RISC versions (1995 -) are based on a variant of the PowerPC. The OS uses memory protection, but it is implemented much differently than a Unix like operating system. There is still the concept of a single level store (one giant flat memory space) that all of the database code and filesystems are built on top of.

For Linux you partition the machine ... BTW, OS/400 is a POSIX compliant OS.

People who run the machines love them. The motto used to be 'Run your business, not your computer.' It described the philosophy of the system perfectly. A good database, good security features, and a standard runtime that all of the languages on the system could take advantage of. And the design of the system made it possible to migrate users from the CISC systems to the RISC systems usually without source code being available - the binaries were 'translated' on first touch or in a batch process, and once translated there were just as good as newly compiled binaries.

Chuck(G)
September 2nd, 2009, 12:16 PM
So Linux really exists for the CISC AS/400? The NetBSD people had a working group on it, but they'd pretty much given up, the last I heard.

mbbrutman
September 2nd, 2009, 12:49 PM
No - RISC only, and only on the newer boxes that support partitioning. (Pretty much anything in the last 8 years.)

Linux on the CISC boxes would be a nightmare. It is an unfamiliar instruction set and firmware that was not documented outside of IBM. Linux on the RISC boxes is indistinguishable from any other 64 bit PowerPC box. It was also one of the first widely available 64 bit Linuxes out there.

leaknoil
September 2nd, 2009, 01:03 PM
Does anyone know of an online document to give me the basics of the system and or v2 version of os/400 ? I searched IBM's website and there doesn't seem to be anything that old.

I pretty much need the real basics. An os/400 tutorial if you will. I cant even figure out how to find and launch and application. I know this system has a construction accounting package on it but, I haven't seen how to start it up.

edit: Of course, I could just enter 'os/400 tutorial' into google which I just did and found what I needed. http://krypton.mnsu.edu/~j3gum/web/as400/intref.html Still if anyone finds any hardware docs for the cisc machines let me know.

It mentions a whole slew of programming languages. It would seem funny any were installed on a machine keeping track of rebar sales but, how could I check if any are available ?

sparx
September 2nd, 2009, 01:47 PM
The idea of these things was that you signed in and were presented with what you needed normally via a menu, you selected the menu option via its number and behind the scenes the program/application was run. The user couldn't just install what they wanted.

To run a prgram and assuming you have a command line? Type RUN PGM and prompt it with the F4 button.
Something I should have mentioned is that RETURN and ENTER are different, ENTER is normally where the right CTRL is on a PC keyboard, RETURN is the carriage return on a PC keyboard.

The way to proceed now, sign in as QSECOFR and on the command line, type in WRKUSRPRF *ALL, this will list all of the users on the system, it may take a while to list them, but when it does, choose one and take a look, think its 2 to modify it and you should be able to change the password from there, sign out of QSECOFR and then sign in with your newly changed profile, you'll see what I mean. Don't choose something that begins qith a Q though, leave those alone for now.

Version number should be displayed on the console when you sign in.

I recall going on a 3 day course to learn basic operations as it is so different.

S

leaknoil
September 2nd, 2009, 02:54 PM
Something I should have mentioned is that RETURN and ENTER are different, ENTER is normally where the right CTRL is on a PC keyboard, RETURN is the carriage return on a PC keyboard.


I learned that the hard way. Very odd place to hide the key you probably use most on a menu based OS.

fallingrock
September 2nd, 2009, 04:41 PM
I didn't think that it was possible to design a job control language that was more opaque than OS/360 JCL, but it seems the OS/400 people have succeeded. What an alphabet soup--clearly not made for verbal communication!

Actually, IBM i (formerly System i, iSeries, & AS400) command language (CL) is quite logical and easy to understand.

All you need to know is the structure and basic parts and you can figure out just about any command you need.

WRK = Work with
DSP = Display
DLT = Delete

PGM = Program
OBJ = Generic object
F = File

So if you want to display a program: DSPPGM
If you want to delete a file: DLTF

etc.

david

Chuck(G)
September 2nd, 2009, 05:53 PM
Actually, IBM i (formerly System i, iSeries, & AS400) command language (CL) is quite logical and easy to understand.

...in the same way that OS JCL is quite logical and easy to understand? (I've heard that one too...) :p

Why abbreviate? Why not use plain English and have the language be free-form? It's not as if the CPU was brain-dead.

sparx
September 3rd, 2009, 02:02 AM
Why abbreviate? Why not use plain English and have the language be free-form? It's not as if the CPU was brain-dead.

At a guess, memory is storage and storage used to be really expensive, each character uses storage = more cost.

Maybe the techs at IBM wanted the operators/programmers to at least appear to use a black art.

Just guesses.

leaknoil, what are you going to do with it now and whats todays update?

S

SteveH
September 3rd, 2009, 11:26 AM
I cant even figure out how to find and launch and application. I know this system has a construction accounting package on it but, I haven't seen how to start it up.

Ok, the following may help you find out where the construction accounting package is and how to 'launch' it.

1. Start of by looking at what libraries are on the system (think of libraries as folders that are only 1 level deep). Enter the command "WRKLIB *ALL". Ignore any libraries starting with the letter Q; they are most likely OS/400 system libraries. Hopefully they will have a been setup with a tell-tale description.

2. Take a look in any potentially interesting libraries for program and/or data objects. Display the contents of a library using the command "DSPLIB libraryname". Programs will have an object type of *PGM and an attribute of RPG, RPGLE, CLP, etc.. Commands (those things that call programs) have an object type of *CMD, and data objects have a type of *FILE with an attribute of PF or PF38 for physical files (data) and LF or LF38 for logical files (indexes/logical views). You'll probably find loads of other object types, but I wont spoil your fun in finding out what they are :-)

3. As most typical AS/400 packages would include a program library and a data library, you need to setup your library list (like the DOS search path - used to find programs and data, etc). Type the command EDTLIBL and press enter to edit your library list. Key in the names of libraries that you think may be the program and data libraries for this application.

4. If you previously found any commands (*CMD objects) in the libraries you have set in your library list, now is the time to try them out. Simply type the name of the command and press F4 (NOT the enter key). F4 will prompt the command, so hopefully you will see what the command actually is. If it doesn't look good, hit the F3 key to cancel that command. If it looks promising then press the enter key. You could also try calling some of the *PGM objects directly, but that can get tricky as you are unlikey to know what parameters are likely to be needed. But if you want to try, then type "CALL pgmname".


So, the above is very hit and miss (and there are other ways to find this stuff out), but it'll give you something to play with. At some point, your will almost certainly be presented with an error message that ask for a response of C,D,I or R (cancel, dump, ignore or retry). Worst case, just select cancel. You can position the cursor over the error message and press F1 for more help. Even if you cannot get the application running, you can still have a peek at any data you find lying around - one of the following should allow you to display any PF files you find:

DSPPFM libraryname/filename {optional-member-name}
This will display a physical file member. Oh, I forgot to say, that a physical file can have multiple data members. The physical file is the container and each member contains the actual data.

RUNQRY *N library/filename
This will run a query over the file.

STRSQL
This will start interactive SQL (assuming it is installed on this box). If it is you can then enter a command something like:
select * from library/filename

You are best off trying out the above whilst signed on as the QSECOFR profile as lesser profiles may not have sufficient authority and may not even be able to see, let alone run, some of the commands/programs.

AS/400s, iSeries, System-i, whatever IBM want to call it, it is a great system. I've been using the AS/400 since about 94 as a systems and security administrator and programmer. That's the day job. I've even got a little old one at home, a model 150 early risc baby system, vintage 1997.

Have fun
Steve

leaknoil
September 3rd, 2009, 12:58 PM
Right now I'm trying to figure out where to put it besides my kitchen table. There is twinaxe all over the kitchen now.

Whats the deal on replacing drives ? This appears to have three half height SCSI drives in it. I read somewhere that is uses a raid system. Can I just swap a drive with another of the same drive and have it rebuild the storage automatically ? One or more of the drives is making more noise then I really like to have near me.

SteveH
September 3rd, 2009, 02:19 PM
I've only ever replaced AS/400 disks with those specifically designed for AS/400s, so not too sure. However, I seam to remember that you could use AS/400 scsi disks in a PC scsi system if you reformatted the disks to 512 byte blocks rather than the AS/400 520 byte block size (or something like that - it's been a while). I'm sure I was once told by an IBM engineer that the AS/400 checks something in the disks microcode.

Also, while it might use a raid subsystem, it doesn't necessarily mean the disks will be configured for raid. Try entering the work disks status command WRKDSKSTS. My box isn't powered up at the moment and I can't check at work until tomorrow to see just what it shows. I cannot remember how to check on the old CISC boxes, but on the RISC systems you can start the system service tools (command STRSST) to dispay and/or change the disk settings (amongst other things). On the CISC boxes, you may have to perform a manual IPL and follow the menu options to check/change the settings.

If one of the disks could be failing (or about to fail), it might be best to perform a system save to tape - you can at least reload the operating system from tape if needed. I'd hazard a guess that your box has a QIC120 tape device. If it has then get a bunch of these tapes, initialize them (command INZTAP - I'll get back to you with the correct parameters), then perform a system save (enter the command "GO SAVE", then select option 21).

leaknoil
September 3rd, 2009, 03:12 PM
It does have the QIC drive. Not sure what I have for tapes though. I know I have some.

I don't think the disks are failing. The noise isnt that bad. Its just louder then the others. Still a backup is probably a very good idea. Seems like getting the cisc os/400 might be pretty hard now days.

SteveH
September 4th, 2009, 09:13 AM
The tape device is most likely named TAP01, but you can check by entering the command "DSPHDWRSC TYPE(*STG)". You can then enter an option 9 (display associated resources) against any resource with a description of "Tape controller". Then just make a note of the tape unit resource name. Alternatively, just enter the command "WRKDEVD TAP*" to display a list of all devices that have a name starting TAP. The latter command will also show if the tape device is available to use (varied on). If it isn't, enter the appropriate option against the device to make it available (vary it on).

The terminology "available" or "varied on" that is displayed depends on your profiles assistance level. Try pressing function key F21 and changing your assistance level. This is a sticky option and appears independently for many of the OS/400 functions.

Anyway, assuming your tape device is TAP01, the command to initialise a tape to QIC120 format and give it a volume name of SYS001 would be:

INZTAP DEV(TAP01) NEWVOL(SYS001) CHECK(*NO) DENSITY(*QIC120)

Key the above command and then press F4 to prompt the command. There are many more options to this command. It has cursor sensitive help, so just position the cursor on any prompt that interests you and press F1.

As previously mentioned, entering "GO SAVE" will take you to the Save menu. From there option 21 will perform an entire system save. That'll prompt you for the tape device and other things - again position the cursor and hit F1 for help.

sparx
September 4th, 2009, 11:30 AM
INZTAP, the start of many an evenings overtime for me! :D
Those drives are quite slow, takes about 20 minutes for one to be filled, make sure you initialized enough tapes before you start....

S

leaknoil
September 4th, 2009, 12:57 PM
How do I find out what the specs of the machine are ? CPU, ram, and hd. I'm having a pretty hard time on google getting past the 10,000 people that are trying to sell replacement parts to any real info about the machine. it is a model 9402 C04 I think. No idea if it has been upgraded at all over the years.

Is there any OS options to list this info out ?

SteveH
September 4th, 2009, 01:29 PM
To list the system config:

1. Start the system service tools by entering the command STRSST
2. At the System Service Tools screen, select "Start a service tool".
3. At the Start a Service Tool screen, select "Hardware service manager".
4. At the Hardware Service Manager screen, press function key F6 (print configuration).
5. Press function key F3 (exit) until you exit STRSST.

You've now got a spool file (printer output) that shows your system configuration. As you haven't got a printer attached yet, you can view it using the Work Spool File command. Enter WRKSPLF, then if you've got lots of spool files under your profile, press function key F18 to go to the last screen of spool files. You are looking for a spool file called QPCSMPRT (at least that's what it is called under OS/400 version 4 release 5).

SteveH
September 4th, 2009, 01:54 PM
Forgot to say, you can also run the Print System Information PRTSYSINF command.

This one generate a whole load of spool files, each containing information such as list of libraries, folders, hardware resources, system values, network attributes, installed ptfs (program temporary fixes), power on/off schedules, subsystem descriptions, software resources (installed licenced os/400 programs) and more...

SteveH
September 4th, 2009, 02:20 PM
I'm having a pretty hard time on google getting past the 10,000 people that are trying to sell replacement parts to any real info about the machine. it is a model 9402 C04 I think.

You can download an IBM AS/400 CISC System Builder Redpaper (pdf) at http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/redp0042.html?Open

Chapter 3 covers the 9402 C, D, E and F models. You will be able to reference the feature codes listed here with those printed from STRSST (post number 50 above).

leaknoil
September 4th, 2009, 09:05 PM
To list the system config:

1. Start the system service tools by entering the command STRSST
2. At the System Service Tools screen, select "Start a service tool".
3. At the Start a Service Tool screen, select "Hardware service manager".
4. At the Hardware Service Manager screen, press function key F6 (print configuration).
5. Press function key F3 (exit) until you exit STRSST.


I don't have a 'Hardware service manager' option there but, I think I found what I was after under 'Work with disk units'. Its confusing though. It lists something called ASP 1 with three units under it. All type 6102 Model 010. The ASP 1 lists itself as 960 size 75.65% used. Each of the three units under it are listed as 320 size 75% used (+/- 0.3) each.

Protected is listed as 0/0.00% for everything. Does this mean I have three 320mb drives arranged as a single 960mb partition ? Thats a whole lot of qic 120 tapes. I think I might have 2.

How can I find out what is taking up all the room ? How big is the OS anyway ?

Also, how do I scroll a list where I have More.... at the bottom ?

SteveH
September 5th, 2009, 03:16 AM
I don't have a 'Hardware service manager' option... That's IBM for you. :rolleyes: You'd often find things had 'moved' following a release upgrade. I seam to recall that the Hardware service manager option was new at one of the early releases, possible v3r1. You'll probably have to look through the other STRSST menu options looking for the list config option, or try the PRTSYSINF command (again, assuming it is available at your release).


The ASP 1 lists itself as 960 size 75.65% used. Each of the three units under it are listed as 320 size 75% used (+/- 0.3) each. Protected is listed as 0/0.00% for everything. Does this mean I have three 320mb drives arranged as a single 960mb partition ? In a nutshell, yes. The Auxiliary storage pool (ASP) is similar to a partition covering one or more disk units. You always have ASP 1, and can configure other disks into ASP 2 through to 16. The 'big boys' would often have their data in one ASP and the journaling (before and after images of record changes) in another ASP. The 0/0.00% protected implies your disks are not raid protected.



How can I find out what is taking up all the room ? How big is the OS anyway ?So you got about 726mb of OS, programs, data, etc, spread across your 3 disks. Again, there are mutiple ways of skinning this cat (some of it depends on what is available at your OS release). Try the following:

1. Enter this command to submit a job to retrieve the disk information:
SBMJOB CMD(RTVDSKINF)
This will take a while to run (possibly hours, but you can carry on tinkering while it does its thing) as it looks at all of the objects in all of the libraries and stores the results in file QEAZDISK in library QUSRSYS. You can check that the job is still running by using the Work Active Jobs WRKACTJOB command - you should see it running under subsystem QBATCH.

When it has finished, run the command PRTDSKINF. Prompt it with F4 and select what type of info you want. Then view the spool files produced.

If the RTVDSKINF/PRTDSKINF options aren't available at your release, then you'll have to go for the following more basic command:
DSPLIB LIB(*ALL) OUTPUT(*PRINT)
You'll then have to trawl through the spool file - the print option (as apposed to display option, 'OUTPUT(*)', shows the the total size of each library in bytes at the end of each library listing.

If you just want to save the operating system and ignore the user data, enter GO SAVE and select menu option 22 instead - that'll just save the system data only. Put your cursor over the menu text and hit F1 for help on what it'll do.

Also, if you do start off a system save and run out of tapes, the worst thing that'll happen is you have to cancel the backup, re-INZTAP those and some more tapes and then start again - been there, done that, got the T-shirt and a box full of spare initialised tapes :rolleyes:


Also, how do I scroll a list where I have More.... at the bottom ?If you've got a proper twinax terminal, look for keys marked roll up and roll down (can't remember if you have to hold down an alt key or something like when using the roll keys. Also confusing, at first, is that roll up actually moves the screen content up so that it appears as though you are paging down and roll down does the opposite:rolleyes: - you tend to forget these things after many years of using page up and down on terminal emulation software)

I've mentioned it a few times already, but one of the most invaluable things about this system is the cursor sensitive help. Just stick the cursor anywhere on any screen, whether it is a prompt, menu text, error message, whatever, and hit F1 for help. It certainly makes life easier when you are learning the system ;)

SteveH
September 5th, 2009, 03:35 AM
You may find this nugget useful, to display a list of installed licenced OS programs enter the command "GO LICPGM", then select the menu option to display installed licensed programs. When there, pressing F11 should display the release level. What release is installed on you box?

SteveH
September 5th, 2009, 04:06 AM
BTW, this came with a few modems. What options do I have for accessing those and where do they connect ? Is that what the one DB25 if for ? I'd say the modems were used to connect your 5394 remote controller. The AS/400 and 5394 should both have a DB25 connector.

leaknoil
September 5th, 2009, 10:30 AM
You may find this nugget useful, to display a list of installed licenced OS programs enter the command "GO LICPGM", then select the menu option to display installed licensed programs. When there, pressing F11 should display the release level. What release is installed on you box?

Looks like I have V2R3M0 installed. The CMAS II stuff doesn't show up under this but, is installed and shows up when I do that IPL manual boot. Is this only showing me installed OS options ?

Here's what I have installed. Just standard OS stuff correct ?

OS/400 - Library QGPL
OS/400 - Library QUSRSYS
Operating System/400
OS/400 - Extended Base Support
OS/400 - Online Information
OS/400 - Online Education
OS/400 - S/36 and S/38 Migration
OS/400 - System/36 Environment
OS/400 - System/38 Environment
OS/400 - Example Tools Library
OS/400 - AFP Compatibility Fonts
OS/400 - *PRV CL Compiler Support
PC Support/400
PC Support/400 - PC DOS Programs
PC Support/400 - DBCS (DOS)
PC Support/400 - OS/2 Programs
PC Support/400 - DBCS (OS/2)
Application Development Tools/400 - SEU
Query/400
SAA RPG/400
SAA OfficeVision/400

Interestingly enough one of the options in that menu is to create a distribution tape for redistribution . Does this mean I can make a complete clean OS tape to reinstall this and other as/400 from ? Can I even install the OS without that system password ? If I bypass it it says something about 70 days remaining.

I take it the last version of os/400 for my machine is V3R2. How hard would it be to get installation media for that outside of IBM and could I even install it without the system password ? How many tapes would a full release take ?

This system has some online training courses on it but, everyone seems to generate a error after I try and start it. I even tried from different accounts. I just get a "Module presentation ended abnormally." message after it loads for a bit. Anyway to repair these or am I doing something wrong ?


I'd say the modems were used to connect your 5394 remote controller. The AS/400 and 5394 should both have a DB25 connector.

That makes sense. What about the two parallel printers that came with this ? Would they connect to the terminals ? Some have a female db25 in addition to the db15 twinax. I know its a printer port but, that usually mean serial printer.

leaknoil
September 5th, 2009, 11:57 AM
OK so after searching around I just want to see if I have this correct. I wanted this seperate from the other post because its a bit important.

The CISC boxes are all node locked licenses and require a valid license for the OS to boot. You can bypass the license and run whatever you want for 70 days before you can't boot and have to completely reinstall from the OS tapes. You can then star another 70 day bypass. Is this basically correct ?

I keep getting the message "System password bypass period will end in 70 days" in the system messages every time I boot. Could the battery to whatever stored my licenses have died leaving this basically unlicensed ? This would explain why I get the Valid System Password not found screen when I do that manual 2B boot.

So, will I basically have a brick in 69 days ?

I am also getting a Service Processor Failed error every boot as well. Could this also be related to a battery somewhere ? The error is Return code X'022' was received from the service processor. It mentions more detail in a VLOG file. Where does one find these vlog files ?

SteveH
September 5th, 2009, 02:35 PM
...Is this only showing me installed OS options ?

Here's what I have installed. Just standard OS stuff correct ? ...Yep, it just shows the standard OS/400 LPPs (licenced program products).


Interestingly enough one of the options in that menu is to create a distribution tape for redistribution . Does this mean I can make a complete clean OS tape to reinstall this and other as/400 from ?You can use that option to create distribution tape[s] in order to load the LPPs on another AS/400. However, I don't think you can do an OS install from one of these tapes. For that you'd need a bootable OS install tape (as produced by GO SAVE then options 21 or 22).


I take it the last version of os/400 for my machine is V3R2. How hard would it be to get installation media for that outside of IBM and could I even install it without the system password ? How many tapes would a full release take ? Yep, V3R2 was the last OS produced for the old CISC boxes. You'd have to get it from somewhere other than IBM - they discontinued it a long time ago. If you could find another company with a v3r2 box and they would let you 'borrow' one of their system saves (assuming is was on QIC120 media), then you could do an install from that. It might be easier finding hens teeth.:shock:


This system has some online training courses on it but, everyone seems to generate a error after I try and start it. I even tried from different accounts. I just get a "Module presentation ended abnormally." message after it loads for a bit. Anyway to repair these or am I doing something wrong ? Difficult to say whats going wrong without know what the error messages are. :confused:


That makes sense. What about the two parallel printers that came with this ? Would they connect to the terminals ? Some have a female db25 in addition to the db15 twinax. I know its a printer port but, that usually mean serial printer. What model of printer are they? Some of these printers can be configured to run as twinax or parallel printers. For the AS/400 you really want to use twinax printers - you would be suprised at just how much control the AS/400 has over twinax printers!

SteveH
September 5th, 2009, 03:13 PM
OK so after searching around I just want to see if I have this correct. I wanted this seperate from the other post because its a bit important.

The CISC boxes are all node locked licenses and require a valid license for the OS to boot. You can bypass the license and run whatever you want for 70 days before you can't boot and have to completely reinstall from the OS tapes and starte another 70 day bypass. Is this basically correct ? Almost... There is a hardware bypass period and an OS or software bypass. For the software password, it's basically as you say - supply the password or re-install the software every time it expires. However, you appear to be experiencing the hardware password request. I'm afraid there's nowt you can re-install once that expires. I've only come across this one a couple of times in the past and it was due to either a major change to the hardware (such as processor change) or the system being powered off for an extended period of time.


I keep getting the message "System password bypass period will end in 70 days" in the system messages every time I boot. Could the battery to whatever stored my licenses have died leaving this basically unlicensed ? This would explain why I get the Valid System Password not found screen when I do that manual 2B boot.

So, will I basically have a brick in 69 days ?Yes, a big brick, boat anchor, land fill material.... Your only course of action is to speak to IBM. I did just that about 12 years ago. I'd been given an old AS/400 model B10 - the original 1st model of AS/400. It had been powered off for an extended period of time and the battery had died. I replaced the battery but kept getting the bypass password request. Anyway, at the time I was lucky, the company I worked for also had an AS/400 so I called their IBM business partner. They gave me a number for IBM. I called them and explained the problem and that if I didn't get it resolved, the system would be scrapped. I also said it was only being used to test some comms between AS/400s. As I said, I was lucky. I completed a form they sent me (giving details of the box and stating the box belonged to the company I worked for, even though it didn't) and was duely provided with a bypass password.

Some more details on bypass pasword can be found here:
http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/iseries/v5r3/index.jsp?topic=/rzahc/syspass.htm



I am also getting a Service Processor Failed error every boot as well. Could this also be related to a battery somewhere ? The error is Return code X'022' was received from the service processor. It mentions more detail in a VLOG file. Where does one find these vlog files ? Take a look in the system service tools STRSST. Once there, select the option to start a service tool, and from there one of the options will allow you to display a service log.

leaknoil
September 5th, 2009, 03:48 PM
This box has probably been powered off for 14 years as the last log entry I can find is 1995 until mine. If there is a battery in there it should be dead. I'm going to try to beg IBM and worst they can do is say no. I think the licenses are are actually tied to the cpu and not the owner but, who knows.

Can one just set the date back before its too late and keep going ?


For the Service Processor error it looks like error code 00000022 Service Processor request rejected.

Any thoughts on that ?

How can I display my license key ? The commands I've heard mentioned dsplickey don't exist in my version.

SteveH
September 6th, 2009, 04:37 AM
As I understand it, the hardware password is tied to the CPU. Software licences were tied to the hardware prior to about v4r5 (can't quite remember if it was earlier or later). After then the OS licence could be transfered to the new owner of the box, or as we did when buying a new box, just got IBM to transfer the licences from the old one ot the new one.

I've never tried moving the date back (usuaully because we had many scheduled job entries and those jobs would end up being re-submitted). If you want to try it though, run the following command:

WRKSYSVAL QDATE

(if you change QDATE for *ALL, you will see a whole plethora of system values you can 'play' with).


00000022 Service Processor request rejected. Hmmm, not enough info I'm afraid. You may find more info in the QSYSOPR message queue (DSPMSG QSYSOPR) or the system log (DSPLOG). Look for messages that follow on from the IPL. I wouldn't worry too much about this error though if the machine is generally working. Each time I IPL my machine, it logs a controller failure error simply because I haven't got the console cable plugged in (simply because it is more convenient to access it via its ethernet port instead).


How can I display my license key ? The commands I've heard mentioned dsplickey don't exist in my version. Your asking now... By about 1995/6 we'd moved to v3r2, then quickly progressed to RISC v4r1. You could try checking for other commands that would display the licence keys. Rather than typing the full command, type part of the command and follow it with an asterisk.
i.e. enter DSP*
You will be presented with a list of all the commands that start DSP. Try scrolling through the list for one that displays licence details. I'll see if I've got any old docs that details v2 commands.

leaknoil
September 6th, 2009, 02:29 PM
DSP* has nothing for licenses at all unfortunately. There is a menu for showing licenses but, it doesn't show any for the OS and doesn't seem to show actual keys anyway. I supposed it doesn't show the OS since well technically the OS isn't licensed anymore.

Should this box be keeping time when totally unplugged ? Time and date is always set to when it was unplugged when I power it back on. I sort of supposed time would be the reason for the batteries.

Also, this 70 days thing keeps saying 70 days remaining even though I bypassed the password three days ago. Could it be a Y2K issue messing with the service processor ?

Here's the job info on that service processor error. From job SCPF, user QSYS, from program QWCIDIOR. I don't know if that helps at all.

SteveH
September 6th, 2009, 03:41 PM
DSP* has nothing for licenses at all unfortunately. There is a menu for showing licenses but, it doesn't show any for the OS and doesn't seem to show actual keys anyway. I supposed it doesn't show the OS since well technically the OS isn't licensed anymore.
Ahhhh... I think the old brain cells are starting to kick in! It's coming back to me now. The licences were handled differently on the old CISC boxes. You should be able to install OS upgrades up to v3r2 without any problems. However, if for any reason you need to do a scratch OS install, you would need the MULIC (Model-Unique Licensed Internal Code) tape that IBM provided specifically for that box. Those tapes where often found in a plastic envelope in the back of the machine.



Should this box be keeping time when totally unplugged ? Time and date is always set to when it was unplugged when I power it back on. I sort of supposed time would be the reason for the batteries.

Also, this 70 days thing keeps saying 70 days remaining even though I bypassed the password three days ago. Could it be a Y2K issue messing with the service processor ?Yes, the box should keep the correct time even when powered down. It sounds to me that the time stopping when powered down is due to dead batteries. This would tie in with the bypass countdown still showing 70 days 3 days later. Until you get the bypass password sorted, I wouldn't replace the batteries or advance the system date. ;)


Here's the job info on that service processor error. From job SCPF, user QSYS, from program QWCIDIOR. I don't know if that helps at all. Not much help... SCPF is the Start Control Program Function system job that starts other jobs during IPL and QWCIDIOR is the "START XPF DISPLAY IO ROUTINE". That's about all I can find for this. At first I thought maybe your terminal wasn't configured to be the main console (device id 0 plugged into port 0 of the twinax controller), but on second thoughts I realised that you wouldn't be able to do a manual IPL if the console wasn't configured correctly.

SteveH
September 6th, 2009, 03:48 PM
While I remember... you also used to get a FULIC (Feature-Unique Licensed Internal Code) tape for some models. I never did find out exactly what the differnce was between that and a MULIC tape.:whatthat:

leaknoil
September 6th, 2009, 04:20 PM
Those tapes where often found in a plastic envelope in the back of the machine.

I did find a tape labeled "IBM Test Tape" stuffed in under the front cover. Any idea how to run it ?



Until you get the bypass password sorted, I wouldn't replace the batteries or advance the system date. ;)

Too late. Batteries already replaced and time changed. Done it a few times and still says 70 days in the error message. I haven't tried setting it after the 70 days though. Doesn't seem worth the risk just to answer my curiosity.

SteveH
September 7th, 2009, 09:40 AM
I did find a tape labeled "IBM Test Tape" stuffed in under the front cover. Any idea how to run it ? I must admit to never having used a test tape. They usually found their way into the IT junk box, never to see the light of day again. :rolleyes:


Too late. Batteries already replaced and time changed. Done it a few times and still says 70 days in the error message. I haven't tried setting it after the 70 days though. Doesn't seem worth the risk just to answer my curiosity. Strange... maybe the service processor errors you mentioned have something to do with the time not advancing while powered off and the bypass message being stuck at 70 days. Does it appear to keep time whilst powered up?

leaknoil
September 7th, 2009, 11:29 AM
I must admit to never having used a test tape. They usually found their way into the IT junk box, never to see the light of day again. :rolleyes:

Strange... maybe the service processor errors you mentioned have something to do with the time not advancing while powered off and the bypass message being stuck at 70 days. Does it appear to keep time whilst powered up?

So far it keeps perfect time when running. I just noticed that it also stops keeping time when the OS isn't running even if it is still plugged in. I thought it was just when totally unplugged.

leaknoil
September 7th, 2009, 10:43 PM
Its Y2K. I got adventurous and started playing with the date. Change the date to 99 or less and it keeps time fine even off, the system processor error goes away, and so does the 70 days for the password message. Now even the os shows up in the licenses.

I figured out how to run the accounting program as well. They are lucky I'm an honest guy. This should have been thrown in the chipper.

I would imagine later versions of os/400 fixed all this. If what I've read is right it will actually be licensed up to v3r2. Now if I could only find a copy.

edit: ok the 70 days thing still pops up just not every boot anymore. It also appears much less frequently in the logs.

SoulPancake
September 10th, 2009, 08:48 PM
I just picked up a as/400 system. I don't have any idea where to begin with it so, I'm asking some preemptive questions before I bother setting it all up.

The people that sold it to me were not only not helpful they were hostile. Seriously, they were real a**es. Came out of a rebar factory. I don't expect making rebar your whole life makes you a better person. These people were really unhappy.

Anyway, so it looks just like this minus the floppy drive

http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/logo/images/920913.jpg

I didn't get the key and its in the 'secure' position. That going to bite me ? Are they generic keys like many other manufacturer's gear ?

Ok, so here's this big tan box. AFAIK, the only out is a single db25. It also came with a small IBM box called a 5394-01B. It has a 1.44mb floppy drive and an on/off switch. The back has a db25m and three large round 2 pin connectors.

I also got a few infowindow terminals. Three different styles but, most have a db25 and a db20 ? connector. I didn't count the smaller connectors pins. Looks about 20-18 and I'm too lazy to run back down stairs right now.

There are a ton of cables that came with this. None of which make much sense. Most related to the large 2 pin DIN style connector. I even got a couple strange heavy duty molded things that go from db25 to more of the 2pin things. Unless I'm missing it the cpu has none of these 2 pin connectors on it.

There is no chance I will ever get any question answered from these people. Passwords are out of the question if it has them. I am pretty sure they will hurl rebar at me if I try and go back. I don't think they like outsiders in their little rebar kingdom.

any idea where i can get a hold of one of these in toronto? anyone know a vendor? thx

leaknoil
September 12th, 2009, 05:03 PM
I found mine off Craigslist. I'm not sure it will be easy to find other CISC boxes but, the newer PowerPC ones are all over ebay Some aren't priced that crazy but, most are. I'd like to get a PPC one but, I'll wait for one to come along locally and hopefully free.

leaknoil
September 29th, 2009, 07:40 PM
Now here is an awesome as400. I'd never pay what they are asking and it would cost a fortune to ship to California but, that is just so cool looking. Even cooler then the Sunfire 10k racks. Seriously may be the best looking standard rack coverings I've seen. I know its just some plastic but, its still pretty damn sexy.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120475120970

Chuck(G)
September 29th, 2009, 09:50 PM
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Ya gotta love the black-and-orange color scheme. Just the thing for Halloween... :)

leaknoil
September 29th, 2009, 10:27 PM
Ya gotta love the black-and-orange color scheme. Just the thing for Halloween... :)

I think you could easily fit a gypsy fortune teller behind that rear piece. Just a coin slot and when the coin goes in the orange slides down revealing her. That is even better. Probably more useful then the as400 as well.

Creideiki
October 20th, 2009, 12:36 PM
If you still need any help using OS/400, The Operating Systems Handbook has a section on OS/400 (http://www.snee.com/bob/opsys/part4os400.pdf). I found TOH to be an immensely useful item when diddling about in VM/CMS and MVS. Also it was my intro to OpenVMS.

The AS/400 looks like a pretty interesting machine, and I really want to try one out sometime (however it's not on the top of my list of "I want to try").

leaknoil
October 21st, 2009, 10:14 PM
If you still need any help using OS/400, The Operating Systems Handbook has a section on OS/400 (http://www.snee.com/bob/opsys/part4os400.pdf). I found TOH to be an immensely useful item when diddling about in VM/CMS and MVS. Also it was my intro to OpenVMS.

The AS/400 looks like a pretty interesting machine, and I really want to try one out sometime (however it's not on the top of my list of "I want to try").

Very cool book. Thanks for pointing me to it. I just got a Minivax 3100 the ovms stuff will help with too. I may actually try and track down a hard copy. I can only read pdf's so long. Maybe I should buy one of those new Barnes and Nobel nooks for my pdfs

offensive_Jerk
November 7th, 2009, 07:00 PM
What is an AS/400 considered? A mainframe?

There is one on CL I really want.

NeXT
November 7th, 2009, 10:04 PM
I think it would be more of a minicomputer.

IBMMuseum
November 7th, 2009, 10:59 PM
I think it would be more of a minicomputer.

Yes, named exactly that. But if you remember the System/34s that the AS/400 would have also replaced (mainly they were a replacement for System/36s) there is no way you would call them ¨minicomputers¨. I even called its 5250s ¨Hernia Terminals¨.

egp
September 15th, 2011, 02:42 PM
Just received an 9401 this morning, the small, black and sexy P03 model. Although I craved for one the last... 16 years, now that I got it I have to find me a twinax terminal or an emulation card, just to know if it IPLs. Wonder if the seller even knows the QSECOFR pass. But wait, there is more, I'm expecting another 9401, the 150 model this time. I'll keep you posted!
In the meantime, if there is someone else crazy enough to collect old AS/400s here in Greece, let us come out of the cracks I say!

cmg400
October 12th, 2011, 10:22 AM
Hey, newb member here, but anyways, I got a Model 150 too. It's great (even at V4R5); I love the OS, rock solid, and design wise way ahead of its time. Integrated DB, lots and lots of built-in command help. Relatively simple to maintain and feed. The nice thing about the 150 is even at V4R5, the licensing for software features isn't enabled so one can do a lot of different things on it. It may not have the latest web code or the latest RPG dev tools but otherwise you can run a whole business on it, if you can program it. The last business I worked with switched from twinax to ethernet finally so I inherited a bunch of twinax controllers, cables, adapters, etc. BTW, you don't need the full twinax cable if you can get the baluns (adapters) that let you use RJ11 or RJ45 cabling instead. The baluns aren't that expensive ($20-30) and it's way easier to run RJ11 or RJ45 port to port. The 150 always comes with a twinax brick and all you need is the baluns to convert to RJ. Get a pair ($50) for your twinax console; then get an ethernet IOP and you run ethernet with Client Access Express. Works great.

Of course, it'd be nice to have a newer box at V6Rx but I'll have to save the dollars for that.....

SteveH
October 13th, 2011, 02:04 PM
...The 150 always comes with a twinax brick...
Hmmm, not so. My 150 doesn't have twinax at all. I've got an old laptop using client access as the console that is connected via a special console comms cable.

I'm hoping to get my 150 back up and running soon. One of the disks failed a while back and I did little with it. That is until this week when we decommissioned an old 9406-720 at work that just happend to contain 62 of the same model of disk!


...Of course, it'd be nice to have a newer box at V6Rx but I'll have to save the dollars for that.....
Or just wait another decade or 2 for the current boxes to become redundant/vintage. LOL.

cmg400
October 15th, 2011, 10:19 PM
ahh, then you're probably got one of the 0393/0394 server models. In any event, I've found at least for the V4 OS version, it's just been easier to use the twinax (not to mention a tad cheaper). OTH, if I could get V5R1 or R2 to run on it without having to reload every 72 days, then I could use the console cable with Ops Nav. But I don't have keys for V5Rx so I'm SOL. That's the problem with any of the newer older gear, it's getting all the software LICs at a reasonable cost for me. I think with all the stuff I want vs. stuff I need, there's a big price difference vs. what I can afford.