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Soupwizard
August 29th, 2009, 11:21 AM
W00t, I finally have an Apple II+! A friend in college had a II+ and I always wanted one. My sister found it on craigslist in Nashville last year, I finally had her send it out and it has lots of goodies:

The usual:
II+ A2S1048A (MB: 820-0044-D)
Disk II Interface Card, 650-X104
2 x Disk II floppy drives
Epson APL Board (printer interface, as far as I can tell)
Monochrome green monitor (generic, 12" Kaga KG-12NU)
Kensington system saver (slightly unexpected)

And some boards I didn't expect:

Microsoft Softcard Premium, consisting of
- Microsoft SoftCard w/ Z-80A
- Microsoft RAMCard
- Videx Videoterm Card, adds upper/lower case, 80 columns

It come with boot disks for Apple DOS 3 something and CP/M, and a box of other software I haven't dug too far in yet.

Additionally, last year at a hamfest I found a Sanyo vm4209, which I think is the canonical little 9" monitor to use with the early Apple II's. It'll look good (and correct for time period) but not so great for everyday use. Still, pretty cool. I also have an Apple Monitor III in storage to dig out.

Questions:

1. What CP/M software runs on the Microsoft Softcard? Does it need special builds of software?

2. I only have the one Apple DOS disk, and I don't know if it's the latest version etc. What OS's do people run on their IIs these days?

3. How do I get software to the Apple? I imagine there's all sorts of disk images on the internet, but how do I get them from my pc to the apple II? Am guessing I'll need a serial card.

4. Some of the keys stick (either don't register on first press, or repeat several times). Recommendations on cleaning?

Things I need:
- serial card
- joystick (and games)
- color monitor, what's a good one? (Oregon Trail!)

thanks,
Jeff

Soupwizard
August 29th, 2009, 11:39 AM
Update:

Did some reading and it seems a good way to move disk images to an Apple II is to get a 3.5 floppy disk and controller for it, and use a Mac to either write the image directly to an 800k floppy, or move the images to an 800k floppy and then use Apple II to write images to floppy (for 5.25" images).

Sadly, I had a Liron Unidisk controller card a few years ago and sold it on ebay for good money. (operation "kick self in pants" now commencing).

Fallo
August 29th, 2009, 11:44 AM
1. What CP/M software runs on the Microsoft Softcard? Does it need special builds of software?

I'm not really an expert on this, but it should be able to run most of the standard CP/M stuff like Wordstar.



2. I only have the one Apple DOS disk, and I don't know if it's the latest version etc. What OS's do people run on their IIs these days?

Most likely it's DOS 3.3. Many people run ProDOS, but the II+ only has 48k of memory, so it can't run a lot of newer software. DOS 3.3 should be fine for it.



3. How do I get software to the Apple? I imagine there's all sorts of disk images on the internet, but how do I get them from my pc to the apple II? Am guessing I'll need a serial card.

Yes, you would need one, since Apple disks are completely foreign to PCs and can't be read by them at all.

You'd have to ask someone else about sticking keys, as I'm not real familiar with that problem.



Things I need:
- serial card
- joystick (and games)
- color monitor, what's a good one? (Oregon Trail!)

There were a variety of color composite monitors at the time. You could use an Apple monitor if you want to stay system authentic, or use a Commodore, Amdek, or similar display. Note that if you've got a TV with composite inputs (most sets made since the '90s have them), you can also use that as a monitor.

tingo
August 29th, 2009, 12:39 PM
Just curious: does "only 48k" mean that ADTPro (http://adtpro.sourceforge.net/) won't work on an Apple II+?

david__schmidt
August 29th, 2009, 01:17 PM
Just curious: does "only 48k" mean that ADTPro (http://adtpro.sourceforge.net/) won't work on an Apple II+?
You need 64k to run (almost all versions of) ProDOS, and ADTPro definitely needs it. Most II+ machines have a "Language card," which supplies the extra 16k. Jeff mentions he has a Microsoft RAMCard, which should bring him up to 64k.

3. How do I get software to the Apple? I imagine there's all sorts of disk images on the internet, but how do I get them from my pc to the apple II? Am guessing I'll need a serial card.

A serial card is the way to go. As tingo points out, ADTPro (http://adtpro.sourceforge.net/) is the software you need.

Soupwizard
August 29th, 2009, 04:08 PM
Most likely it's DOS 3.3. Many people run ProDOS, but the II+ only has 48k of memory, so it can't run a lot of newer software. DOS 3.3 should be fine for it.

The Microsoft RAMcard is supposed to add 16K, so mine might have 64K total. [Edit: add, David Schmidt says the same thing, didn't see that reply at first]

Positron
August 29th, 2009, 06:48 PM
Ahem...why not just get some old Apple II disks are run your software the old fashioned way? From an original disk? Not as sexy as all the cables and utilities but much easier!

Fallo
August 29th, 2009, 09:19 PM
Ahem...why not just get some old Apple II disks are run your software the old fashioned way? From an original disk? Not as sexy as all the cables and utilities but much easier!

Originals are often hard to find, but that's not the problem with using them. The problem is that most have horrendous copy protections. For that reason, even if you have an original copy, you'd probably want to use the images from the net anyway.

Micom 2000
August 30th, 2009, 08:10 PM
What was the Liron Unidisk controller card and how did it differ from an ordinary Apple (?) Unidisk controller card ? I believe I have several Unidisk controller cards (as well as some duodisk cards). Was the Unidisk superior to the Disk II FDDs ?

Lawrence


Update:

Sadly, I had a Liron Unidisk controller card a few years ago and sold it on ebay for good money. (operation "kick self in pants" now commencing).

david__schmidt
August 31st, 2009, 03:41 AM
What was the Liron Unidisk controller card and how did it differ from an ordinary Apple (?) Unidisk controller card ?
The Liron card was what you needed to hook up a 3.5" Unidisk to anything less than a IIgs. You can see a Unidisk (A2M2053) here:
http://www.vintagemacworld.com/drives.html

I believe I have several Unidisk controller cards (as well as some duodisk cards). Was the Unidisk superior to the Disk II FDDs ?
Well, the Unidisk (A2M2053) was a 3.5", but if you mean the Unidisk 5.25" (A9M0104/A9M0107), it was a direct replacement for the Disk II and was functionally identical in every way (except maybe for the passthrough port that allowed you to daisy chain two drives together).

Micom 2000
August 31st, 2009, 11:41 PM
Ah, that clears up my bafflement. I didn't know there were 3.5 fdds for the A-II other than the GS models.

Lawrence