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Erik
July 27th, 2005, 08:02 AM
I'm posting off-topic in the General Discussions area to get more exposure to this potentially sensitive topic:

I'm at my wits end with PHPBB, the bulletin board software used for these forums.

The software is free, so I can't complain too much, but there have been half a dozen new versions in the past few months. Every time a new version is released I have to update the board software in order to stay current and ahead of the hacks and exploits that the new versions fix.

It's getting out of hand and I'm ready for a change.

The most likely solution will be to switch board software from PHPBB to vBulletin. About 2/3rds of the biggest boards on the net use that software and I'm familiar with the interface. It's not too different from PHPBB in use, although it looks a bit different.

The main difference is that it is a retail product so I'll have to shell out a bit of cash for it. To me it's worth the reliability and lower hassle factor. Besides, I threatened to do this upgrade years ago! :)

Other options include ZeroForum and Invision but I'm not too fond of those, personally.

Does anyone have any thoughts, advice, opinions, concerns, questions, comments or good jokes? ;)

Erik

MystikShadows
July 27th, 2005, 08:23 AM
WEll did you hear the one about the man that ....... errr never mind..I'm no good at telling jokes...lol

Seriously though. Everyone that installs invision eventually end up installing something else. So I wouldn't recommend it as a better solution to phpbb...How much is that other board you'd have to pay for? If it's reasonable I'd say go for it for the reasons you mentionned.

Truth of the matter is I'm not sure if a commercial board is better than an opensource one other than to have someone to point the finger at when a problem occurs. If the board (commercial or other) do use MySQL then I would think that it's part of the problem. I would think that a commercial board that takes too many rights from the use just to ensure it's "security" isn't truely a better solution to the problem :-).

My two cents ;-). But I'm sure that there is better than phpbb though :-).

mbbrutman
July 27th, 2005, 08:54 AM
Back in the mid '80s I authored BBS software than ran on an XT in New York City for about two years.

If I had to do a forum (which I will get to eventually) it will be in the form of a telnet BBS. I think the days of ANSI animation are long past, but I'd like to use something a little more primitive than these bulletin board systems. A low end Linux system running on a 486 could handle the traffic pretty easily.

That idea doesn't help your discussion for today though .. just food for thought.


Mike

carlsson
July 27th, 2005, 02:20 PM
Fortunately, I never had to install or administrate a phpBB, but I've understood it takes quite some hand work to upgrade between versions, which I find much remarkable.

AtariAge moved from phpBB to Invision a while ago. I've been on some forum running vBulletin too, and while I can't recall why, I didn't enjoy it so much. But Erik is the admin and should make the decisions.

The SQL end may be one source for injections and other hacks, and the PHP backend may too, but from what I understood, most serious flaws so far related to the application (forum) code.

Erik
July 27th, 2005, 03:32 PM
Fortunately, I never had to install or administrate a phpBB, but I've understood it takes quite some hand work to upgrade between versions, which I find much remarkable.

It depends on the change. Most of the recent stuff is pretty simple, but having to do it every week or so is a pain.


AtariAge moved from phpBB to Invision a while ago. I've been on some forum running vBulletin too, and while I can't recall why, I didn't enjoy it so much. But Erik is the admin and should make the decisions.

IPB is on my list as well. It seems my host won't allow vBulletin so I may not have a choice! :)

E

Computer Collector
July 27th, 2005, 06:10 PM
Juat make sure that we can upload pictures onto the new software. We can do this at AtariAge.com, and its a lot of fun. I have a lot of cool stuff to show you guys.

billdeg
July 29th, 2005, 03:40 PM
I run an ISP and we use Ultimate BB. We never have any problems. There are some hacks that I know of, but overall we are problem-free. We do back up the sites daily, and also make an off-site copy just in case. Have you experienced hacker problems?

Erik
July 30th, 2005, 09:22 AM
I run an ISP and we use Ultimate BB. We never have any problems. There are some hacks that I know of, but overall we are problem-free. We do back up the sites daily, and also make an off-site copy just in case. Have you experienced hacker problems?

No hacker problems yet. . . and I hope never :)

I'm not too familiar with UBB but from what I do know it's not much different than PHPBB.

I'd prefer vBulletin or IPB but my current ISP blocks both as too "resource intensive for a shared environment."

They strongly suggest SMF, but I'm not really a fan.

E

MystikShadows
July 30th, 2005, 04:06 PM
I wouldn't recommend SMF though. At least not to the common client. I mean it does the job, fairly well...but it's very different than what people expect from this type of program. IMHO of course ;-)

carlsson
July 31st, 2005, 04:04 AM
I find it amazing that the ISP even knows about which forum is which. I doubt anyone on the web hotel(s) I am customer of would know the difference. Either you could run anything until they find that you are overusing the system, or they probably would ban all kinds of forums to start with.

basic12434
August 7th, 2005, 04:33 PM
Back in the mid '80s I authored BBS software than ran on an XT in New York City for about two years.

If I had to do a forum (which I will get to eventually) it will be in the form of a telnet BBS. I think the days of ANSI animation are long past, but I'd like to use something a little more primitive than these bulletin board systems. A low end Linux system running on a 486 could handle the traffic pretty easily.

That idea doesn't help your discussion for today though .. just food for thought.


Mike


Hm... a telnet BBS would be fitting for a vintage computing site... mabye two versions, a php and a telnet BBS. People could access it on the vintage computers themselves, if they could handle terminal emulation.

Erik
August 25th, 2005, 01:47 PM
Just a follow-up on this for those that might have been curious.

I've cooled off a bit and have put any plans on hold. I really want to run vBulletin but my hosting company doesn't like that product.

I'm left with two choices - either stick with PHPBB or change hosts and boards in one shot with the expectation of effort and downtime. . .

As it stands PHPBB hasn't put out an emergency update since the initial post in this thread. For the time being I'm going to suck it up. . . :)

Erik

Terry Yager
August 25th, 2005, 03:45 PM
As it stands PHPBB hasn't put out an emergency update since the initial post in this thread. For the time being I'm going to suck it up. . . :)

Erik


Ok, so now that this version is "stable" does that mean it's time for them to put out a version upgrade to introduce new bugs?

--T

Erik
August 26th, 2005, 05:51 AM
As it stands PHPBB hasn't put out an emergency update since the initial post in this thread. For the time being I'm going to suck it up. . . :)

Erik


Ok, so now that this version is "stable" does that mean it's time for them to put out a version upgrade to introduce new bugs?

--T

They've been working on that (and threatening release) for over two years now. . . ;)

E

Lisa
August 31st, 2005, 05:00 PM
If it's a vote, vBulliten. I can recommend a good web host too if you need one.

CP/M User
September 5th, 2005, 02:11 AM
"Erik" wrote:

> I'm posting off-topic in the General Discussions area to get more
> exposure to this potentially sensitive topic:

...

> Other options include ZeroForum and Invision but I'm not too fond of
> those, personally.

> Does anyone have any thoughts, advice, opinions, concerns, questions,
> comments or good jokes? ;)

Definitely don't pick Invision. Since Post 1 Malc @ http://www.cpczone.net/boards/ crack the cranky at my post- apparantly he forgot to put in a Rants section (and have a series of can't do's setup on this forum!). The system is a bit more flexible since I signed up though. Sorry, I can't be of much help.

CP/M User.

yb2k6
June 9th, 2006, 12:17 AM
Just a follow-up on this for those that might have been curious.

I've cooled off a bit and have put any plans on hold. I really want to run vBulletin but my hosting company doesn't like that product.

I'm left with two choices - either stick with PHPBB or change hosts and boards in one shot with the expectation of effort and downtime. . .

As it stands PHPBB hasn't put out an emergency update since the initial post in this thread. For the time being I'm going to suck it up. . . :)

Erik

hosting company? try bluehost company they have a few extras that you may overlook. check this link for more information about bluehost: http://www.hosting-buyers-guide.com/re/2005bluehost/ ;)

alexkerhead
June 9th, 2006, 02:39 AM
I'm posting off-topic in the General Discussions area to get more exposure to this potentially sensitive topic:

I'm at my wits end with PHPBB, the bulletin board software used for these forums.

The software is free, so I can't complain too much, but there have been half a dozen new versions in the past few months. Every time a new version is released I have to update the board software in order to stay current and ahead of the hacks and exploits that the new versions fix.

It's getting out of hand and I'm ready for a change.

The most likely solution will be to switch board software from PHPBB to vBulletin. About 2/3rds of the biggest boards on the net use that software and I'm familiar with the interface. It's not too different from PHPBB in use, although it looks a bit different.

The main difference is that it is a retail product so I'll have to shell out a bit of cash for it. To me it's worth the reliability and lower hassle factor. Besides, I threatened to do this upgrade years ago! :)

Other options include ZeroForum and Invision but I'm not too fond of those, personally.

Does anyone have any thoughts, advice, opinions, concerns, questions, comments or good jokes? ;)

Erik

Quite whining! j/k

If you open a donation fund, I can pitch in.:cool:

dongfeng
June 9th, 2006, 03:33 AM
I think this is old news, since Erik is now using vBulletin :)

alexkerhead
June 9th, 2006, 03:45 AM
I think this is old news, since Erik is now using vBulletin :)
oh, lol, wasn't paying attention to the dates.
Looks like I fell victim to necromancation.

Chris2005
June 9th, 2006, 07:36 AM
so just what does the commercial version of the software cost anyway? If it's any of my business...

atari2600a
June 9th, 2006, 08:02 AM
$160!!!!!!!!!

Erik
June 9th, 2006, 08:14 AM
Yep, it's $160 for the vBulletin software with a year's worth of support and updates. There's a fee at the end of the year to continue that. . . probably about $40 or so.

alexkerhead
June 9th, 2006, 09:28 AM
Erik, i've said it before, and i'll say it again.
Thank You for Keeping this site ad-free!

If you ever need some help with money or something, just put up a donation tab, and I will help out.

Erik
June 9th, 2006, 09:51 AM
Erik, i've said it before, and i'll say it again.
Thank You for Keeping this site ad-free!

You're welcome! :)


If you ever need some help with money or something, just put up a donation tab, and I will help out.

Well, I do need help cleaning the garage. . . ;)

Seriously, I'm about to list a few more items before they go to eBay. Another bare S-100 chasis, a Franklin Ace 1200 (still looking for docs and disks) and an Apple ///. The latter two are working. The S-100 chassis probably needs some work and certainly some cleaning.

I've still got another S-100 box, some S-100 proto cards and a couple of clone PCs (8088 and 286) out there. . .

I'm trying to give the community first crack, but I really do need the space!

Terry Yager
June 9th, 2006, 09:59 AM
I have some Franklin documentation I can send you, mebbe even a bootdisk if I can find one.

--T

Erik
June 9th, 2006, 10:46 AM
I have some Franklin documentation I can send you, mebbe even a bootdisk if I can find one.

I appreciate the offer but I have both docs and disks - I just have to get to them.

Picture "Computer Hell" with fewer shelves and more stacking. . . :)

carlsson
June 9th, 2006, 11:08 AM
Hm, I'm planning another visit to my local Hell soon, perhaps this weekend.

Terry Yager
June 9th, 2006, 11:48 AM
Whew! I didn't really wanna search my own personal hell (3 mini-storage, 2 bedrooms, no shelves).

--T

Jorg
June 9th, 2006, 11:50 AM
Yeah.. where's the paypal button on this forum :)

atari2600a
June 9th, 2006, 12:57 PM
How much for the Apple /// Erik?

By the way, I have an ACTUAL computer hell! It's in my shed, & the door to it's open year-round! Imagine about 10 trashed-up Pentium PC's exposed to rain & extreme heat, an early IBM PC clone w/ a monochrome monitor on the floor (Though not exposed to rain) upside down, & some other sh!t I have yet to identify.

Erik, Is your hell at least as organized as your closet? (Where your magazines are)?

Erik
June 9th, 2006, 01:42 PM
How much for the Apple /// Erik?

I'm thinking it's going to be $100 + shipping when I get it posted. I just checked eBay and that's less than what bare systems w/o monitors or SW are selling for.


Erik, Is your hell at least as organized as your closet? (Where your magazines are)?

It's getting there. . . slowly. :)

CP/M User
June 9th, 2006, 04:15 PM
alexkerhead wrote:

> Erik, i've said it before, and i'll say it again.
> Thank You for Keeping this site ad-free!

Must confess - my site has those issues, but it's a free
website. The beauty I found with it though, was on an Apple
Mac based computer - you don't get any of that! :-D
The rest of the inner workings for my site works a beaut
though! :-D
I was thinking of moving it though (well the images bit) - but
a few people have that site address - any suggestions how I
could go a redirect?

> If you ever need some help with money or something,
> just put up a donation tab, and I will help out.

Yeah, I've been wonderning about that myself, and wondered if
I should do something along those lines - I see it perhaps
down the track in case I need more space.

CP/M User.

atari2600a
June 9th, 2006, 04:28 PM
I can fix your Apple Lisa 2's! (But I won't give them back though...:D )

dongfeng
June 9th, 2006, 04:33 PM
A website redirect is easy... just stick the following in your header tags:

<meta HTTP-EQUIV="REFRESH" content="0; url=http://www.yourdomain.com/index.html">

This would be an immediate redirect, changing the 0 sets the delay, so changing it to 5 would delay 5 seconds.

CP/M User
June 9th, 2006, 05:01 PM
dongfeng wrote:

> A website redirect is easy... just stick the
> following in your header tags:


<meta HTTP-EQUIV="REFRESH" content="0; url=http://www.yourdomain.com/index.html">

> This would be an immediate redirect, changing the 0
> sets the delay, so changing it to 5 would delay 5
> seconds.

Cheers, I'll see if I can easily adopt this into my current
system.

CP/M User.

alexkerhead
June 10th, 2006, 06:15 AM
I can fix your Apple Lisa 2's!
Sure about that? lol:oha:

atari2600a
June 10th, 2006, 02:38 PM
Well it doesn't sound like much is wrong w/ them, I mean 1 just has a disorted screen image & won't read from the HD (It probobly just needs a small amount of WD-40), 1 doesn't power up (Could be anything from a loose wire to a blown fuse in the PSU etc...), & I don't think Erik said what's wrong w/ the black-painted one he has...

mbbrutman
June 10th, 2006, 02:57 PM
Never ever use WD-40 as a lubricant. WD stands for 'Water Displacer' .. it's a fairly terribly lubricant as it dies up quickly.

atari2600a
June 10th, 2006, 03:05 PM
OK, then what would you sugggest be used on a HD?

mbbrutman
June 10th, 2006, 04:41 PM
Nothing. If you open a hard disk to lubricate it, you expose the platters to dust. Even microscopic dust can cause head crashes and loss of data.

Hard drive repairs are for clean rooms. Don't open them.

For lubricating floppy rails I use either a silicone lubricant or something with Teflon floating in it. Radio Shack has a very nice 'precision lubricator' that is a light oil with Teflon in it.

atari2600a
June 10th, 2006, 05:07 PM
Most of the mechanics of ProFile & Lisa 2 HD's aren't kept under a metal chassis like today's HD's. there have been several cases where the lube of old HD's & FD's dries up from being kept in hot attics for long periods of time & causes them to lock up.

mbbrutman
June 10th, 2006, 05:14 PM
It really doesn't matter. WD-40 is not designed to be a lubricant, and it's a poor lubricant at that. So in your case you won't contaminate the platters because you won't open the casing, but you would still be using a poor lubricant that probably won't survive the heat of the spindle.

Even slow hard drives spin at over 3000 RPM.

atari2600a
June 10th, 2006, 05:16 PM
So if I get my hands on a Lisa 2 or a ProFile HD, I should use Silicone Lube?

mbbrutman
June 10th, 2006, 05:21 PM
If you get your hands on one of those drives I would find somebody who used to work for Connor, Maxtor, Seagate, Imprimus, IBM, Fujitsu, etc. who used to do repairs in a clean room. Nothing beats talking to the original source - the engineers who designed and repaired these things. It's worth doing the research to do the job correctly.

Silicone or Teflon type lubricants are still for light duty stuff, like the drive rails that a floppy diskette drive head glides along.

dpatten
June 12th, 2006, 06:41 AM
It really doesn't matter. WD-40 is not designed to be a lubricant, and it's a poor lubricant at that.


+1

WD-40 is the absolute worst thing that you can use as a lubricant. It will actually break down any existing lube/oil that still remains and then it will dry up and go away. WD-40 is, however, great for CLEANING a mechanism prior to re-lubricating it.

shirkahn
June 13th, 2006, 04:43 AM
Back in the mid '80s I authored BBS software than ran on an XT in New York City for about two years.

If I had to do a forum (which I will get to eventually) it will be in the form of a telnet BBS.


Mike
<snip>
I'm going to agree with Mike on this.
Granted- we'd have to give up our nice avatars- but think of how much brushing up we could do on our ascii .sigs!

I personally like the tried-and-true BBS style.
It just seems to have more personality and flair than a web based system.

-kahn

mbbrutman
June 13th, 2006, 04:48 PM
I'm still working on it. I decided to take a little breather and write a sample file transfer app for the UDP/IP and ARP piece that I have done so far. It's a good exercise of the code, and it's taught me a few things about the performance of the code I've written so far.

(UDP checksumming on an 8088 class processor is expensive!)