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EddieDX4
May 3rd, 2010, 01:44 PM
A few years ago, I saw something on eBay that sparked my curiosity. I searched and came up with very minimal information, but enough to convince me to buy it, which I did. Luckily, nobody else bid on it (seeing how obscure this was at the time, I wasn't surprised), so I won it for a mere 99 cents plus $49 shipping...

The person who sold it was the original owner. I believe he had purchased it in 1990 or '91. The machine was immaculate, and he included all of the original manuals (a stack, literally), keyboard, mouse, all of the installation software, and even a VHS introductory tape it came with from the factory.

The machine, a Canon Navigator HD40, is an all-in-one system with:

- Built-in thermal printer (IBM/Epson compatible), mainly used for fax printing
- Fax modem (9600bps, I believe)
- Phone handset
- Matching black keyboard and mouse (my HD40 is black, there was also a gray'ish model)
- 2x CPUs; A NEC V30 (for main PC fcuntions/DOS) running at close to 14mhz, and a NEC V50, used to handle the Navigator background tasks (sending/receiving faxes, answer, etc.)
- 640KB RAM for the main system, and 128K used along with the V50 and the Navigator tasks (this loads its own BIOS via a DOS level driver during boot up)
- 9 ~ 10" grayscale EGA (640x350, 16 shades of gray) touchscreen display
- Built-in high-density 1.44MB floppy drive
- 40MB HDD (there was a model sold with dual-floppies, no HDD).

The Navigator portion of the system uses a GUI. I believe this takes advantage of the memory on the secondary board (the one with the V50 CPU and 128KB). This is speculation, so I'm hoping someone out there has more information about this. The machine uses MS-DOS 3.30, and I've been able to play many old DOS games with it. I installed Flight Simulator 4.0 and set it to EGA 16 color mode, and it looks very nice on the grayscale display. I also played Leisure Suit Larry 1, and the PC speaker music played happily.

Canon also included a portable bubble-jet printer, to be used with the Publish-It! DP suite that came bundled with the machine. The owner included this, as well.

I decided to start a thread on the Navigator HD40 system because, even after a few years, I am still having a hard time finding much information. I'm afraid its history and uniqueness will be lost in time.

I will take pictures to add to this thread, in an attempt to catalog and preserve its existance. If anyone else has any details (or corrections to my information), happens to own one, or would like to help track down information, please feel free to join in.

EDIT: Pictures added! They're linked from Photobucket, and I saved them in a fairly small size, so it should have minimal impact on bandwidth... But, if it's too annoying, I'll switch them to links, instead. I also grouped them by relevance. I might replace a few of them (exterior pictures, mostly) with better ones when lighting conditions improve (daylight). Crappy phone camera. :)

EddieDX4
May 3rd, 2010, 02:04 PM
I just found the following excerpt, from a COMPUTE magazine article dated 11/1990:

http://www.atarimagazines.com/compute/issue123/P034_1_HOME_OFFICE.php

The picture shows the dual-floppy version. The HD40 uses the left bay for the HDD (it has the typical vents and activity LED).

It's also interesting that the article states it uses an 8086 processor. I wonder if early/non-HDD units used an Intel/AMD 8086 instead of the NEC V30, or if they're simply stating that since the V30 is an 8086 class CPU.

The HD40 version was $2,500 back in 1990... By that account, the owner sold it to me for 0.0004 % of what he must've paid for it, originally.

EddieDX4
May 3rd, 2010, 10:15 PM
HD40 profile and rear view
http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab110/hotchalupa/Canon%20Navigator%20HD40/IMAG0426a.jpg http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab110/hotchalupa/Canon%20Navigator%20HD40/IMAG0428a.jpg

Handset
http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab110/hotchalupa/Canon%20Navigator%20HD40/IMAG0424a.jpg

HD40 copier/fax sheet feeder
http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab110/hotchalupa/Canon%20Navigator%20HD40/IMAG0427a.jpg

HD40 rear ports
http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab110/hotchalupa/Canon%20Navigator%20HD40/IMAG0430a.jpg

HD40 FCC info (the word "Complies" is misspelled...)
http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab110/hotchalupa/Canon%20Navigator%20HD40/IMAG0435a.jpg

HD40 1.44MB floppy drive
http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab110/hotchalupa/Canon%20Navigator%20HD40/IMAG0436a.jpg

HD40 HDD vent and activity LED
http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab110/hotchalupa/Canon%20Navigator%20HD40/IMAG0437a.jpg

EddieDX4
May 3rd, 2010, 10:20 PM
HD40 boot screen
http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab110/hotchalupa/Canon%20Navigator%20HD40/IMAG0448a.jpg

Navigator Desktop
http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab110/hotchalupa/Canon%20Navigator%20HD40/IMAG0421a.jpg

Navigator Answering machine
http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab110/hotchalupa/Canon%20Navigator%20HD40/IMAG0458a.jpg

Navigator Fax dialer
http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab110/hotchalupa/Canon%20Navigator%20HD40/IMAG0460a.jpg

Navigator Fax viewer
http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab110/hotchalupa/Canon%20Navigator%20HD40/IMAG0455a.jpg

EddieDX4
May 3rd, 2010, 10:25 PM
Publish It! sample document 1
http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab110/hotchalupa/Canon%20Navigator%20HD40/IMAG0442a.jpg

Publish It! sample document 2
http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab110/hotchalupa/Canon%20Navigator%20HD40/IMAG0443a.jpg

Deluxe Paint II sample image/File Load dialog
http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab110/hotchalupa/Canon%20Navigator%20HD40/IMAG0465a.jpg

Deluxe Paint II sample image/About dialog
http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab110/hotchalupa/Canon%20Navigator%20HD40/IMAG0461a.jpg

HD40 built-in thermal printing (from Deluxe Paint II)
http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab110/hotchalupa/Canon%20Navigator%20HD40/IMAG0466a.jpg

Print Master Plus
http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab110/hotchalupa/Canon%20Navigator%20HD40/IMAG0449a.jpg

HD40 built-in thermal printing (from Print Master)
http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab110/hotchalupa/Canon%20Navigator%20HD40/IMAG0454a.jpg

EddieDX4
May 3rd, 2010, 10:29 PM
CM2100 (bundled with HD40)
http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab110/hotchalupa/Canon%20Navigator%20HD40/IMAG0480a.jpg

Simcity
http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab110/hotchalupa/Canon%20Navigator%20HD40/IMAG0467a.jpg
http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab110/hotchalupa/Canon%20Navigator%20HD40/IMAG0468a.jpg
http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab110/hotchalupa/Canon%20Navigator%20HD40/IMAG0469a.jpg

Flight Simulator 4.0 (640x350 16 color mode)
http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab110/hotchalupa/Canon%20Navigator%20HD40/IMAG0470a.jpg

Prince of Persia
http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab110/hotchalupa/Canon%20Navigator%20HD40/IMAG0473a.jpg

Leisure Suit Larry 1 (complete with floating blow-up doll)
http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab110/hotchalupa/Canon%20Navigator%20HD40/IMAG0474a.jpg

justjunk
May 4th, 2010, 08:06 AM
Absolutely Awesome! I had no idea such a machine existed. Thanks for posting, especially the pix.

ajcc
May 4th, 2010, 08:16 AM
Cool machine!

EddieDX4
May 4th, 2010, 09:53 AM
Absolutely Awesome! I had no idea such a machine existed. Thanks for posting, especially the pix.

No problem! I was amazed by how little information was out there on this system. Obviously, it didn't sell well or you'd see more. It was likely also marketed to the SOHO crowd, and wannabe desktop publishers, which weren't necessarily too tech savvy. Throughout the years, most likely ended up being recycled.

For 1990, the platform used was outdated. They could have used a 286 or a 386sx processor, and squeezed a bit more usefulness out of it (most business applications in 1990 required at least 1MB of memory, and often times protected mode). The EGA screen is amazingly bright and crisp (the phone camera pictures do it no justice, plus it auto adjusted brightness while taking pics). However, a monochome VGA would have gone a long ways supporting more robust applications. These 2 things alone would have allowed it to run Windows 3.x, opening up the doors to even more applications (although Win 3.0 still supported real mode, but 640k is not exactly useful for much more than Write, Paint, File Manager...)

However, where it lacked in power it more than made up for in functionality. This thing came bundled with a fairly good software library (I forgot to mention, it even includes Mavis Beacon typing tutor software!). The Navigator interface is very intuitive, and the use of a secondary processor/memory for the telephony functions guarantees it will not freeze or crash on you, should you be running a DOS app while a phone call or fax comes in.

It's not clearly seen in the pictures, but there's these buttons on the surface of the touchscreen glass labled TEL and FAX. If you touch either, the Navigator system switches to either function, instantly. The machine also has rudumentary power saving features and sleeps the screen and hard drive after a few minutes to conserve energy and prevent burn-in. This was almost non-existant in desktop PCs at the time. Touching the screen plays a gentle, almost soothing "ding dong" sound and wakes the machine up. Incoming calls have the same effect.

The answering machine is pretty good, and allows you to save 2 answer messages (I suppose one for when "out of the office" or such), and even has a wake up call feature! I tested this a few times and it was pretty neat. It will dial out any number configured at the specified time and playback any message you record.

The machine uses a full size 101 key keyboard with an XT/AT type DIN plug (conveniently located on the front of the machine). The included mouse is serial, and the machine has a parallel port (second) for the included bubble jet printer. I like that, even though it was a bit of an oddball AIO unit, it still uses standard peripherals.

Faxing works fairly well. The picture I posted of some random fax that was received/saved on the HDD from the previous owner doesn't really show how good faxes can look on this machine. I've sent and received faxes in fine quality setting and they look superb. It is a bit slower than modern fax machines, but it gets the job done and, unlike most desktop fax machines, has virtually unlimited storage (faxes can be saved to the HDD or floppy).

It is also a copier, but having a modern AIO HP printer, it's pointless to use it for that purpose.

I'm really hoping someone out there has one of these and sees this post. I'm considering writing Canon USA hoping they have any archived documentation (brochures, ads, anything...), and perhaps production/sales stats. It would be great to conserve its history. As it stands, I unofficially declare it an endangered species.

tasaint
August 28th, 2010, 01:24 PM
This was posted a while back, but do you still have this? We did own one -- it was wayyyy ahead of its time --- but had to sell it back in the day, when it was fairly current when we hit financial troubles.

Any way I could part you from it? It would make a delicious Xmas gift for my dear husband, who has regretted selling it for over 15 years.

Tracy

Raven
August 28th, 2010, 02:47 PM
That's pretty awesome. I've read posts about it here and there but hadn't seen pictures yet. At 14Mhz a V30 could very well handle many games intended for the AT@6Mhz. :D Shame that it's grayscale, but EGA is a rarity and I'm sure a grayscale EGA is even more rare.

The-Phoenix
September 22nd, 2010, 07:10 PM
No problem! I was amazed by how little information was out there on this system. ......

I'm really hoping someone out there has one of these and sees this post. I'm considering writing Canon USA hoping they have any archived documentation (brochures, ads, anything...), and perhaps production/sales stats. It would be great to conserve its history. As it stands, I unofficially declare it an endangered species.

EddieDX4,

I had one of these little beauties but it was stolen with the rest of my estate! I picked it up in 1992 from Montgomery Wards and it was on clearance. They had a few of them and the original Retail Price on them was $2,500.00! I got it for $300. They were mostly demos and did not come with the bubble jet printer but everything else was there! I enjoyed using it immensely! I liked the fact of how fast the programs came up seemingly faster than today’s programs do on our faster CPUs and more ram available models! My unit had Q&A on it not Write along with Paint and others I can't recall right at this time but I was extremely pleased with the software bundle!

The fax machine was superb as was the copier. I used it in my electronics service business and put some caller ID software in it and ran my customer data base into it that way as well as keeping notes in Q&A. I miss it! A friend that I had bought one for and sold to him, a teacher, found it especially helpful in producing his classroom tests over at Devry. He has since passed but he willed it to me and the family had it but I have not had contact with them in ten years so I hope when I find them they will drop it off to me! So much for now but I was ecstatic that you had done such a thorough job of documenting this unit and I have downloaded it for my off line referencing in the future! Thanks again for your effort here!

The-Phoenix
9:58 PM CDT
9-22-2010 (About 1 hour until the Autumnal Equinox…Fall!)

Raven
September 22nd, 2010, 07:28 PM
Stuff like the above post make me proud to be a member of this forum. :D

The-Phoenix
September 22nd, 2010, 07:40 PM
Thanks Raven


I just wanted to say that I checked the Canon site tonight and there is absolutely nothing about the Canon HD 40. I thought at least they would keep the documentation available for those of us that might still be using them! I hope Eddie finds some data when he contacts them and perhaps an alternate data source that they might have available or know about!

The-Phoenix
10:37 PM CDT
9-22-2010

The-Phoenix
September 22nd, 2010, 08:01 PM
P.S.: Raven,

I was looking at your collection listed under your message and noted that I had a similar collection and unfortunately evaporated with my Cannon HD 40

I had an old Televideo 8088 CPU with both Dos and CPM and the green screen it came to me from the Pentagon via my brother that worked in Washington DC with the Coast Guard.
I had a Commodore 64 as I recall
I had a PC Brand 486 DX 50
The Canon HD 40
an Apple IIc and a couple of others that I can't recall right now I do believe. The loss is a sad story. The pearls were probably nosed into the muck by the swine and they never realized their worth!

The-Phoenix
10:53 PM CDT
9-22-2010

cheryl
January 7th, 2011, 12:24 PM
I still have mine tucked into the back of my spare room closet. It's like brand new with all of the software and manuals.. Think I'll take it out and dust it off... The pictures sure jogged my memory!

Cheryl

Mike Chambers
January 7th, 2011, 02:17 PM
BEAUTIFUL machine!!

prs141
January 17th, 2011, 06:59 AM
Thanks Raven



I just wanted to say that I checked the Canon site tonight and there is absolutely nothing about the Canon HD 40. I thought at least they would keep the documentation available for those of us that might still be using them! I hope Eddie finds some data when he contacts them and perhaps an alternate data source that they might have available or know about!

The-Phoenix
10:37 PM CDT
9-22-2010

peterrs141

Hi, I´M from Germany and I still have the machine standing around, only the
BPrinter BJ 10 e is no longer working.
I even had a german update.
It still is working !


Even a ten years ago or earlier there were no informations on any Canon Site about this product.

IT was really too early for the product in 1991.



I smiled and was thankful to hear about the Navigator after all this years!

Thanks for the pictures.

Agent Orange
January 17th, 2011, 02:39 PM
HD40 boot screen
http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab110/hotchalupa/Canon%20Navigator%20HD40/IMAG0448a.jpg

Navigator Desktop
http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab110/hotchalupa/Canon%20Navigator%20HD40/IMAG0421a.jpg

Navigator Answering machine
http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab110/hotchalupa/Canon%20Navigator%20HD40/IMAG0458a.jpg

Navigator Fax dialer
http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab110/hotchalupa/Canon%20Navigator%20HD40/IMAG0460a.jpg

Navigator Fax viewer
http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab110/hotchalupa/Canon%20Navigator%20HD40/IMAG0455a.jpgDoes that "APPLICATION TO LIVE IN THE SOUTH" have anything about the number of snags required in your double-knit bell bottomed trousers? Nice find on that machine.

vwestlife
January 17th, 2011, 07:27 PM
Navigator Desktop
http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab110/hotchalupa/Canon%20Navigator%20HD40/IMAG0421a.jpg
That GUI looks similar to the one in my Canon CanoWord laptop word processor. Unfortunately I have no idea what kind of hardware is in the CanoWord, because it's all in Japanese!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYwuqNzzkgI

john richardson
May 11th, 2011, 04:31 PM
Does anyone have one they're willing to sell? I remember oogling over this when I was just a kid using Compuserve, and had no money, never mind thosuands for this... I think I still have some of the original brochures that I ordered sitting in a closet somewhere. SOMEONE PLEASE SELL ME ONE? They never seem to come up on E-Bay.

-John
New York

z00l00k
May 14th, 2011, 04:04 PM
Does anyone have one they're willing to sell? I remember oogling over this when I was just a kid using Compuserve, and had no money, never mind thosuands for this... I think I still have some of the original brochures that I ordered sitting in a closet somewhere. SOMEONE PLEASE SELL ME ONE? They never seem to come up on E-Bay.

-John
New York

I have one sitting in my closet, I purchased it from Montgomery Ward in 1990 or 1989, I am not sure. In any case let me know if youy are still looking to buy one, I have all the material that came with it includong the printer, the only thing that has some damage is the printer, the paper feeder has a broken hook/latch, I fixed it but it is not perfect.

The main unit is in pretty good shape, it was mainly used as fax and answering machine plus some light word processing. I was thinking of donating it to a local used computer store that has a small museum inside the store, but decided against the idea after talking to the owner.

Cheers

Adam

Atlas3000
February 29th, 2012, 08:44 PM
I have a Canon s31118 and it looks completely the same. Does anybody can send me a software and drivers for that device?

monoxrom
March 14th, 2012, 05:06 AM
Hello!
I have two computers Canon Navigator. And two in different conditions.
I want to build a one working PC
But i don't have software :( So i join to the Atlas3000 Who have software? upload this to some file sharing service

monoxrom
March 17th, 2012, 09:56 AM
I made one good PC today and all starting good
I copied the software. I think main soft in NAVI folder, but all others is here too
http://www.sendspace.com/file/uidfi8

john richardson
April 21st, 2014, 10:43 AM
Does anyone have one of these for sale that they want to sell to me? Thanks

classiccomputing
November 25th, 2015, 10:41 AM
I have one of these in generally good, clean and working condition. Anyone interested in buying it? I'm not sure how much I will sell it for, but more than $100 at least, to make it worth it, plus actual shipping. It's fairly heavy, maybe 30 pounds? I digitized the owner's video manual and uploaded it a few years ago: https://archive.org/details/TheCanonNavigatorHd40VideoManual1990

Best,

David Greelish
Computer Historian, Writer & "The Oldest - Bright Young Star of Comedy!"

about.me/davidgreelish

Get my history of computer history nostalgia book FREE!
http://www.classiccomputing.com/CC/HB_Book.html

NeXT
November 25th, 2015, 01:46 PM
Wow, this thread is full of two-post prospectors.
The machine sounds amazing regardless.

john richardson
August 3rd, 2016, 08:38 PM
David I want it!!!!



I have one of these in generally good, clean and working condition. Anyone interested in buying it? I'm not sure how much I will sell it for, but more than $100 at least, to make it worth it, plus actual shipping. It's fairly heavy, maybe 30 pounds? I digitized the owner's video manual and uploaded it a few years ago: https://archive.org/details/TheCanonNavigatorHd40VideoManual1990

Best,

David Greelish
Computer Historian, Writer & "The Oldest - Bright Young Star of Comedy!"

about.me/davidgreelish

Get my history of computer history nostalgia book FREE!
http://www.classiccomputing.com/CC/HB_Book.html

MarNo84
August 24th, 2018, 02:21 PM
Hi,
I just stumbled across this old thread... Does someone maybe has the Software/drivers/ system disks for this HD40 model?

I just recently got my hands on such Canon Navigator HD40..it works but asks for startup disks?

4754847549

Thanks :)
Marcus