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NathanAllan
October 27th, 2005, 07:39 AM
A current project I'm workign on is getting a p133 toshiba laptop and loading win2k on it. Not vintage, but the laptop is. According to the tearchers that is the minimum proc that w2k can run. Then once I get the os installed I'll swap the hdd with my p75 and show them that it'll run on it, if it will which I'm pretty sure it will. Just gotta get some parts. Then I'll go wireless (they're putting in wireless internet). Then I'll do my schoolwork using office 95, heh heh. Why is this a show-off? Cause most of the people there are under the inpression that you need a new computer, cutting edge stuff to do any kind of work. Then I'll brag :lol: and show them that you DON'T have to get a new school loan to get a decent comuter. I'm all for new technology but don't like it crammed down my throat.

vic user
October 27th, 2005, 08:15 AM
WORD!

chris

Jorg
October 27th, 2005, 09:58 AM
WORD!



STAR!

Terry Yager
October 27th, 2005, 10:10 AM
WORD!



STAR!

DIAMOND!

--T

vbriel
October 27th, 2005, 11:52 AM
In theory this might work. However, I hope you have some time because it will be a slow dog. You might get it booted before school ends in June :lol:

Also, IIRC, 2000 doesn't like major hardware changes. I've tried swapping a mainboard on 2000 and it crashed when it found the new hardware on bootup. Be prepared for that. I loaded 95 on a 486 with 4meg trying to do the same thing you are. It worked but what a dog it was. Good luck.

carlsson
October 27th, 2005, 11:53 AM
Nathan; the two computers have to be almost identical in terms of chipset and other motherboard issues to make it run on a different computer. It may be possible to tweak an existing installation of Windows to run on a different computer than it was installed on, but it is very likely that W2K will crash hard when you boot it on the P75; not because it is too weak but because the OS had made certain assumptions about the hardware.

If you can upgrade your P75 with a P133 or better processor, install the OS and then downgrade the CPU again, it may be more likely to work.

vbriel
October 27th, 2005, 11:57 AM
Thanks for the verification Carlsson, I thought that was the case. Actually, I have done this with XP (Moved my HD from my old Athlon 1133 to my P4 2.8) and it worked right.

I would find a Pentium board that works with a P75 and P133. Actually, install might go faster if you find a P233MMX board and drop a P75 into that.

carlsson
October 27th, 2005, 12:07 PM
Maybe "drivers" for more types of chipsets are installed in the most recent Windows versions, and better auto detection? A number of years ago I attempted the trick of installing on one computer and swap HDD with another. It was almost guaranteed blue screen or worse.

mryon
October 27th, 2005, 12:51 PM
I'll bet that it will work but it will go nuts with "new hardware found" when you boot it.

My experience has been the Win2k has been pretty good about changing hardware. Not BeOS good, not even Linux good but lighyears beyond Win9x.

but I guess we'll hear the final result from you later. ;)

NathanAllan
October 27th, 2005, 07:20 PM
I expect the hardware detect to go crazy, yeah. I've done this with win98 twice with no long-lasting efects so I'm pretty confident about drooping the drive onto the p75. It's a laptop and the proc is integrated and can't be removed. I wish! The two laptops are Satellite 100CS and Satellite Pro 460CDT. To look at them one only has slightly different details (the 460 has small speakers, jacks in front and a slightly larger screen and a few other little differences). The ports and hardware appear to all swap between them. Battery, ram, dock, fdd. The 100 has a hardwired fdd while the 460 has a removable one and can swap with a cd-rom. Both have a ram limit of 40mb IIRC. I don't think the bios flash changes that.

But I'll definitely let everyone know how it works out when I get it done and all the parts come in.

Nathan

vq304
October 28th, 2005, 10:34 PM
I've had Windows 2000 running on a P100 before, so I don't see why it wouldn't work on a P75.

It actually doesn't run too badly, just as long as you have a reasonable amount of memory.

I'd be more interested to see if you can get it working on a 486DX ;)

Mad-Mike
October 29th, 2005, 06:43 AM
I've had Windows 2000 running on a P100 before, so I don't see why it wouldn't work on a P75.

It actually doesn't run too badly, just as long as you have a reasonable amount of memory.

I'd be more interested to see if you can get it working on a 486DX ;)

Been there, done that! I took a Windows 2000 Professional equipped 3GB Hard Disk and stuck it into a 486 DX5/133 (the AMD 5x86 in marketing terms) and it did'nt work too bad at all. I've also run NT 4.0 on 486 DX2/66 hardware before as well. As long as you have plenty of memory and disk space, a 486 is not out of the question up to 2000 Professional. It's just Microsoft won't give you support (like it would be needed with me anyway).

NathanAllan
October 31st, 2005, 11:26 AM
I'm still waiting for the laptop to get in but I had to post this.

At school, we do projects and reports and stuff and we are asked to make diagrams. Or we throw in diagrams to shorten the explanation. They're "encouraging" students to use Visio, some M$ thing for graphics. I use Paint. I get extra credit for my diagrams and pictures that I make. I have educated a few students already about how to use paint and the simplicity of it compared to visio and photoshop and whatever else. The needs aren't many in these classes. Only that you show what you have learned. Is the idea of "elegance in simplicity" a dead idea? Am I missing something???

CP/M User
October 31st, 2005, 12:27 PM
"NathanAllan" wrote:

> Why is this a show-off? Cause most of the people there are under the
> inpression that you need a new computer, cutting edge stuff to do any
> kind of work. Then I'll brag lol and show them that you DON'T have to
> get a new school loan to get a decent comuter. I'm all for new
> technology but don't like it crammed down my throat.

This is a strange sence of mentallity people must have if they think you
-need- a fast computer just to do some school work. I had to do some of my school work on an XT! Nobody complained or anything & here we are now & people think a Pentium 4 is required to do the job properly.

Newsflash - I wrote a Powerpoint Presentation page which was terribly slow on one of the schools 1.8GHz machines, I've tested it on a 2.8Ghz machine which is slightly better, but I figure machines will have to be 3 times the speed before they perform this at the speed it needs to be. Not that I'm too worried, I'm sure if it were in DOS machines won't need to be 3 times faster! But since it was some clown which came up with the idea of keeping it all Windows...

CP/M User.

Terry Yager
October 31st, 2005, 12:47 PM
Lucky for them, there are us, keeping the tradition of real computin' alive...

--T

Mad-Mike
October 31st, 2005, 02:53 PM
Shoot, I used to show off like that all the time in high school. Twas only two weeks before I got all the students huddled round' the 486 watching me play monkey island, instead of trying to hide the fact that they were downloading porn onto the schools brand new IBM NetVista PC-330 systems.

I still use a 286 for printing stuff out of Wordperfect 5.1 with a dot matrix. Why a Dot Matrix and a 286 with WP51....b/c, then I can save on how many ink cartridges I have to buy for the PIII each year, I've cut it down to about $60 a year on my HP, at most.

Vlad
October 31st, 2005, 06:46 PM
I did my home work on a Zenith Master Sport 286 with no hard drive. I had to run it off DOS disks and a Professional Write Disk. Lets see someone top that one...

-Vlad

(I only did that once, After that I had 2 "modern" laptops, which were and AST something or other and an IBM Thinkpad 380ED)

EDIT
I did use a Older Toshiba 486 running Windows 3.1 once as well.

tvdog
November 1st, 2005, 12:06 AM
I did my home work on a Zenith Master Sport 286 with no hard drive. I had to run it off DOS disks and a Professional Write Disk. Lets see someone top that one...

I did my papers on a Tandy 1000TL (286XT) all through college and printed them on a dot matrix printer. Had to use endnotes since my editor couldn't do footnotes, but my professors were all OK with that :) .

Vlad
November 1st, 2005, 04:57 AM
Wow, ok you win. Dot Matix in college eh? And they didn't care?

-Vlad

Mad-Mike
November 1st, 2005, 07:33 AM
Nope, I got you topped.....My 9th grade High Schoolwork rig was this

Tandy 1000 SX
----------------------------------------
8088 running at 4.77 MHz most the time because I could not work the keystrokes to change speeds properly (till I read the manual a year later)

384K RAM, till 2 years later where I spent FOURTY DOLLARS from an outdated Radio Shack catalog to upgrade to 640K and gain nothing but the playing of Ultima VI: The FAlse prophet at "pacemaker with bad duracell battery" experience. At least I had the cool 3 Channel DAC sound and 16 color graphics though.

No HARD DISK

2 360K Floppies, with me using the last sets of 360K diskettes availilble on the shelf of Wal-Mart (yes, they STILL sold 360K's in 1997 for god knows whatever reason). And I had to make backups of my other 15 year old diskettes that came with the computer

I used Tandy Deskmate II for all my writing becuase my Professional Write diskette went bad after a week of having the computer. I had to print everything out of a noisy, slow Tandy DMP-12 Dot Matrix printer that shreiked like a banshee and was a cause of me having to bum fanfold paper off my mom's job at the hospital because Wal-Mart nor any other place still carried fanfold paper in 1997 (go figure, they have 360K Diskettes, but no Fanfold!). I finally dumped that printer for an Epson Dot Matrix a year later, which worked much better than that crappy tandy printer, but was still rather slow compared to the ink jet printers my friends in school had on their grand spankin' new Pentium II's running Windows 98 with full 56K internet via AOL 4.0. Either way, I have fond memories of being probably the last person in Opelika High School to use a Tandy 1000 SX for my homework.

Terry Yager
November 1st, 2005, 07:51 AM
I used to keep the minutes from the weekly meetings of our Oversight Committee, overseeing a state-funded non-profit agency. I'd take notes in longhand on a yellow legal pad, then later type them up at home on a Tandy 102 (32K, cassette tape), and finally print them out on a NEC SpinWriter (Daisy-Wheel, 30 c.p.s.).

--T

NathanAllan
November 3rd, 2005, 07:04 AM
I have recievd, diagnosed and treated the laptop. Its on-board cd-rom was bad, and I guess that it killed the hdd that came with it. So I ditched it and since it was a pop-out I just left the fdd in. Now after making sure all the drivers are good, w95 is running perfectly on it.

TIP: When you get the right driver for the screen, ADJUST THE RESOLUTION! Otherwise you'll keep the black border around the screen and it'll fool you into thinking the driver is not right.

Now I have to get the 32mb ram card and figure out some way to make it read a burned cd. Amd the wireless card from that company. The stock cd-rom won't cut it, so I'm gonna see if I can get my friend Stephen to send me my backpack from a long time ago. Does anyone know if the stock cd-rom is able to see burned cd's?????? Is there a new driver that I'm not aware of?

thefoolonthehill
November 23rd, 2005, 01:46 PM
WORD!



STAR!

DIAMOND!

--T

ALTO!

Flack
November 25th, 2005, 01:01 PM
At a meeting at work here once we were told to bring our laptops. Imagine everyone's surprise when I lugged in my SX64. I even took notes on it throughout the meeting!

As for the computer/drive swap, one trick I've used it after loading Win(whatever) on a hard drive and swapping it into a new machine, boot into safe mode the first time, go into device manager and delete EVERYTHING. This'll also cause havok upon next boot, but at least you won't end up with two of everything in there. Have drivers (on floppies) handy.

Terry Yager
November 25th, 2005, 01:08 PM
At a meeting at work here once we were told to bring our laptops. Imagine everyone's surprise when I lugged in my SX64. I even took notes on it throughout the meeting!

As for the computer/drive swap, one trick I've used it after loading Win(whatever) on a hard drive and swapping it into a new machine, boot into safe mode the first time, go into device manager and delete EVERYTHING. This'll also cause havok upon next boot, but at least you won't end up with two of everything in there. Have drivers (on floppies) handy.

Heh, I think I've mentioned in these forums before, that I used to have to lug my Kaypro II to my computer classes, to prove that I'd done the homework assignments. (I didn't have an IBM-compat at the time). Of course, if I were taking the same class today, I'd probably take my SDK-85 to class to demo 8080 A/L for the teacher.

--T

NathanAllan
December 13th, 2005, 10:36 PM
YES!
I had a good night of tipping and was able to scrape together enough to get the parts. I upgraded some, went form the 420CDS to a 460CDT, 66 more mhz and a max ram of 160mb. I'm going with 96 mb tho. Got a LARGE 20g hdd and getting an obsolete HomeRF network for $28 (the WHOLE network, including a router). That's just for here, I'll still have to get a b/g card for it or some kind of usb thing. The parts should start trickling in in about three days or so.

Could anyone shed some light on these guys?

file:///E:/zmystuff2A/network%20hw/Centrix%20Intl%20-%20Excess%20Computer%20Components.htm

I found these network cards and would like some professional thoughts on it. I'm getting three of the items, so I'll have notes of my own to comapre to. I think it's a dead idea by now though based on my reading. They got sued and basically told not to make these anymore. Neat concept though, the wireless that's not 802.11b/g based.

carlsson
December 14th, 2005, 02:36 AM
You'll have to put that web page (and the pictures) on a web server. We're not able to access your local hard drive over Internet, at least not using that addressing... :P

NathanAllan
December 14th, 2005, 07:57 AM
http://www.centrix-intl.com/

oops. there it is, the homepage. The product is made by Proxim.

Terry Yager
December 14th, 2005, 08:34 AM
Hey, great link. I've got a bunch of those RangeLan 2 PCMCIA cards, but never used 'em, cauze I don't have an access point. I gave a few of them to my friend, and he managed to find an AP on eBay, and he loves his, says they work great. He uses them in Windows CE devices, cauze CE comes with drivers for 'em built in.

So has the Symbol Technologies lawsuit been settled already?

--T

NathanAllan
December 14th, 2005, 09:00 AM
I didn't finish the articles so I can only assume that since the cards are so cheap compared to the prices as new that they were discontinued cause of the lawsuit. And so I get to reap the carrion so to speak. But I never did finsih the articles that I skimmed. I get bored with that kind of stuff.

Terry Yager
December 18th, 2005, 10:59 PM
I didn't finish the articles so I can only assume that since the cards are so cheap compared to the prices as new that they were discontinued cause of the lawsuit. And so I get to reap the carrion so to speak. But I never did finsih the articles that I skimmed. I get bored with that kind of stuff.

Well, all I know is that I got 10 of 'em for a dollar on eBay. I gave some of 'em for my friend, Mark, but I still have a few, just-in-case...

--T

NathanAllan
December 19th, 2005, 07:14 AM
A new question for the particular laptop, the 460CDS. The power adapter that came with it is 15v@3A max. I have a 16.5v@2.6A supply that I was planning on using with a diode to drop the voltage(.9v) to 15.4. I am hoping that it'll work, what are your thoughts? The "max" part is what I'm thinking about. Will this ps cut it? Does the laptop draw that much power??

Also, I'm gonna have to set up the os using a burned cd. Does anyone know if the stock cd-rom that comes with it will read burns? And if not, I'm gonna start wrestling with dos usb drivers just to get the os set up. How to get windows onto the hdd? Even if on a partition?

Vlad
December 20th, 2005, 08:56 AM
If you use a CD-R on LOW SPEED it should read it fine. Thats how they produce CD's to begin with. its CD-RW's that older stuff has fits with. My Thinkpad 380ED can do CD-R's but not CD-RW's. Powerwise whats wrong with using it's original PS? Usually they have those ratings set for reasons, like the Cold Cathode Lamps in the LCD panel may require a certain voltage, trust me, those things are VERY touchy when it come to voltage, Although, I have only blown one up, (not pretty) They can ruin the LCD panel if they do. Just be careful, even slightly higher voltages can do some really strange things. I have seen laptop PS ratings really high, my brothers girlfriend's ThinkPad (newer I forget the model T something or other) wanted something like 20V and 10-13 amps. Thats higher than my New Toshiba.

Anyway burn using a CD-R on like 3 or 4x and it should be fine.

-Vlad

NathanAllan
December 20th, 2005, 08:02 PM
I got the burn to boot, so all is well there. About the power supply, I wasn't wanting to buy anythign else but I guess I will since it's pretty cheap (less than $15usd in most cases) on ebay. And easier too since the ps would eventually die from it being maxed out all the time while I work on it. For now I am draining one battery, swapping it with the charged one in the other laptop (they're the same, bonus) and swapping back and forth. Right now I'm installing, so the screen can be down for most of it and I just check it.

The networking stuff came in too. It's 802.11a, old proxim HomeRF stuff and it's superneat and super cheap. $15 for three comps to include the router. Cool :D

I'll post again later when it gets going.

Zmatt
December 22nd, 2005, 06:42 AM
you could have some serious trouble one time i pulled a 45gb hdd out of a dead 900mhz athlon and put it in a 1.8ghz athlon. win98 threw a hissy firt and crashed. i ended up wipeing the hard disk and installing win2k on it. since win98 and 2k are similar theres a chance it will react the same.

Vlad
December 22nd, 2005, 12:54 PM
since win98 and 2k are similar theres a chance it will react the same.


What? Windows 98 and 98SE are based on the old Win32 Kernel. Windows 2000 Professional is based on the NT kernel. The base systems are opposites. They look a LITTLE alike, other wise they are completely different. Some drivers are different too.

When you change a major hardware device, like a System Board or Processor, its recommended that you reset the HAL. That's why it "threw a fit" on you. You must reset the HAL if you move a hard drive from one computer to another if it holds the Operating System.

NOTE: HAL = Hardware Abstraction Layer if you didn't know.....


-Vlad

Zmatt
December 22nd, 2005, 01:24 PM
what? win98 is based on the nt kernel what are you talking about. and i would've reset the hal if it wasn't for the fact that it kept giving me error messages and subsequently crashed! and i couldn't use the donor system because like i said it was fried. A history lesson win95 was the last version of windows that was built on top of DOS up until win98 and winNT the windows GUI although considered as an OS was simply just a graphic interface ontop of DOS. when win98 came out that was done away with and made some serious changes to the windows platform including inhanced source protection so the code couldn't be analyzed after it was run through a decompilier.

Vlad
December 22nd, 2005, 01:52 PM
Your Joking right?

Also Try this http://www.dictionary.com/ It helps with spelling things correctly.....

Win 98 is based on DOS, Just like 95 was. The only Windows Os's that are based on the NT kernel are NT it self, the 2k series, ME, the XP's, and Server 2003. The rest were based on DOS and Win32. Also you only need an Install CD to reset the HAL, you can't do it from inside the OS.

Try knowing what you are talking about before arguing.......

Terry Yager
December 22nd, 2005, 02:16 PM
Also Try this http://www.dictionary.com/ It helps with spelling things correctly.....

Kewl! Know any good grammer/punctuation/capitalization sites?

--T

NathanAllan
December 22nd, 2005, 02:17 PM
Umm, zmatt, win98se is based on dos, vlad's right. In your defense though, MS wanted everyone to think that the two were interchangable, iirc. But in fact, 98 is based on dos.

I didn't pull a drive from an old system, it was formatted (badly) before I bought it. I had to format it again anyway and win2k installed perfectly if slowly. The only problem I had with installing is the battery kept running out and I had to keep swapping :) with the other laptop, heh heh. Pain in the butt, I'll tell ya what. A 2hr battery is seriously reduced whtn you've got both the cd and hdd running at the same time (mostly). Power supply is in the mail. But windows did install, and it was *before* I put in the extra ram, so it was put in with 32mb of ram (reason so slow).

The problem I am havng now is the firewall keeps locking the system up. It's just too much with all the internal processes for the 166 to keep up with. I intend to get win2000lite from pclite.com. I'll give it a shot first, and go from there. Pretty sure it'll help tho. Strip the extra junk outta windows that I'll never use. And since it's for school and not gaming (at least not new games, I'm sure it'll run XvT) it'll work fine.

Vlad
December 22nd, 2005, 02:24 PM
Kewl! Know any good grammer/punctuation/capitalization sites?
--T

I don't know about sites, but going through School helps......

Vlad
December 22nd, 2005, 02:25 PM
How did you change the battery with out losing all of the power?

NathanAllan
December 22nd, 2005, 02:29 PM
I didn't. I had to start again. Luckily the main part that took the most juice was formatting, installing was easier on it and I only had to swap out twice in total. Windows did NOT like that, heh heh. I can't WAIT to get the adapter!

Terry Yager
December 22nd, 2005, 02:35 PM
Kewl! Know any good grammer/punctuation/capitalization sites?
--T

I don't know about sites, but going through School helps......


Not the schools around here...They've been known to graduate illiterates (especially if they can play some kinda ball)...

--T

Mad-Mike
December 22nd, 2005, 10:07 PM
Your Joking right?

Also Try this http://www.dictionary.com/ It helps with spelling things correctly.....

Win 98 is based on DOS, Just like 95 was. The only Windows Os's that are based on the NT kernel are NT it self, the 2k series, ME, the XP's, and Server 2003. The rest were based on DOS and Win32. Also you only need an Install CD to reset the HAL, you can't do it from inside the OS.

Try knowing what you are talking about before arguing.......

Actually Windows ME is based off of DOS, it was the last DOS based version of Windows. That's half the reason it was so problematic, it was really a DOS version of Windows trying to be an NT version of windows from my understanding.

carlsson
December 23rd, 2005, 02:23 AM
Although it is true that Win98SE and ME borrow a few items from the NT and following 2000 hierarchy, like the WDM device model. From a programmer's perspective, all Win95 up to XP use the same Win32 API, with some differences when it comes to lower level programming, something that normally should not be needed other than for very special programs.

It is also said that XP - or if it is the upcoming Vista - merges a good part of the older Win9X with the NT. NT itself was based of some other OS if I recall correctly - maybe a bit of VMS kernel?

Vlad
December 23rd, 2005, 08:38 AM
Vista is still based off the NT kernel, I have seen it. The major change in Vista is it no longer uses explorer.exe for the GUI shell anymore. It uses a new one called Aero Glass. Its a well guarded secret, but with the stuff I do with Microsoft, I have found out in a round about way, that they are making a new operating system completely from scratch. New Kernel, GUI shell, new every thing. I forget its code name, but this one is not related to Vista or Server "Long Horn" in any way.

MadMike:
True, I never used ME. (thank god) But 98 still isin't based on NT...

The command prompt in Win 9x is truly DOS, the prompt you get in any NT based system in a NT prompt. It IS NOT dos, its a compatibility prompt to run legacy programs. To see if its NT or DOS just open a command prompt and type the VER command. If its DOS it will tell you the version of DOS it is running, if its NT, it will tell you the NT OS Version. If its 9x, it will tell you the 9x version. Like if I type it into my Windows XP pro laptop I get "Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]" The 5.1.2600 is the version of the NT kernel it is using. If I type this into Windows NT, I get "Windows NT Version 4.0" and in Win 9x I get "Windows 98 version 4.10.2222" Or if I type bash --version into my Tower I get "GNU bash, version 3.00.16(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
Copyright (C) 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc."


See? The NT ones tell you the NT kernel version, and 9x tells you the win32 kernel version. And DOS simply says what version of DOS it is. Like DOS 3.30 is all it would say. But thats only if DOS is a stand alone OS. And in Bash it tells you the Version of the Bash Prompt.

-Vlad

carlsson
December 23rd, 2005, 01:25 PM
I'm afraid a brand new system will need a fair bit of legacy support for all the (by then) old software people will want to run. Thus, the current Win32 interfaces as well as old NT kernel calls and whatever will live on at least a few versions into the new system, whenever it would be ready for sale - probably not prior to 2008. Whether it is meaningful to cut away the last Win9X support while maintaining 2000/XP legacy support, I'm not qualified to say, but even with an all new operating system, "memories" and modules which hamper the new system would possibly hunt us a bit well into the next decade.

Vlad
December 23rd, 2005, 03:16 PM
The Experimental Operating System is no more than a name at the moment. It may even never see the beta stage. It may go no were. Or it could revolutionize the OS world. Who knows? I'll try to find a link to a web site that mentions it.


-Vlad

carlsson
December 23rd, 2005, 03:39 PM
Heh. Yes, Microsoft have revolutionized the computing world a few times, but often in form of recreating (some would call it copying or even stealing) another technology and put their own patent stamp onto it. They're good at sniffing up and refine - maybe not always improve - technologies so people will buy and use it.

NathanAllan
December 24th, 2005, 02:10 AM
The power supply came in today (yesterday, actually) and not having to switch batteries every now and then is a great thing. Well worth the price.

About M$ stamping their patent on everything, one thing that they didn't get was the 802.11a wireless standard. I'm using the old proxim stuff, and it is really a neat thing. It uses frequency hopping instead of static frequencies (spread spectrum) and that is very secure and can be encrypted very easily. I really don't see why it got canned, even if it was a licensing or paperwork thing. It's a neat concept and resistant to the interference of say, a microwave oven or coffeemaker (very noisy electrical device). And isn't Centrino a 'coveted' idea?

Anyway, the laptop is humming along with win2k and loves its proxim card. Next step is to strip out all the junk, and I'm gonna do it the easy way: litepc.com. I'm not gonna fiddle around with those internal settings since I don't know that much about it. I'll hack 98 or below, but I'm still new to the NT scene.

Vlad
December 24th, 2005, 06:40 AM
Awesome, powersupply and 802.11a. Sounds like you really got a great project going. Your right though, I don't know why 802.11a didn't last too long for some reason..... Have you seen the upcoming Pre N wireless? Google 802.11N for the new standard about to come out. Its speed is on the ridiculous side, but it seems good. As for security, I encrypt my 802.11G AP with 128-bit encryption, or I could use MAC Filtering. But you can spoof a MAC address. Its a lot harder to break encryption than it is to spoof a MAC address......

-Vlad


EDIT: I looked it up, 802.11N is suppost to have 200Mbps+ transfer rates. While 802.11A and G have 25Mbps. It will be intresting to see if it really reaches that high of speed under normal conditions......

Terry Yager
December 24th, 2005, 10:01 AM
I really don't see why it got canned, even if it was a licensing or paperwork thing.

I wasn't aware that 802.11a had been "canned". It just happened that the IEEE's "b" standard was ratified before the "a" standard was completed (two different committies), which gave the b-standard a market advantage, with devices hitting the shelves several months ahead of the a devices. The 802.11b standard is also closer to the old (original) "legacy 802.11" standard, so existing devices could be quickly & easily modded to the new standard, but 802.11a devices had to be developed from the ground-up, another setback time-wise. 802.11a has been playing ketchup ever since.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/802.11b

As for lawsuits, Proxim has settled thiers:

http://www.bbwexchange.com/publications/newswires/page546-1238539.asp

But AFAIK, the Symbol < vs > Intermec suit/countersuit is still pending:

http://www.symbol.com/news/pressreleases/intermec_ip.html

--T

Mad-Mike
December 24th, 2005, 03:20 PM
MadMike:
True, I never used ME. (thank god) But 98 still isin't based on NT...


I never said 98 was based on NT. Heck, I use 98 SE every day and know darn well that it's DOS based. I was only saying that someones grouping of ME in with NT/2K/XP was wrongas ME is just a bloated version of Windows 98 trying to be just like NT on the DOS kernel by hiding the DOS prompt and having all the fancy icons.

carlsson
December 25th, 2005, 02:30 AM
Maybe Millennium Edition is the transvestite of operating systems? :twisted:

NathanAllan
December 25th, 2005, 04:40 AM
I figure this is on topic cause it involves my school laptop.

Is there a small server program out there that runs like an application? I want to turn my big machine into a file server to service the other two computers, the P150 and the laptop over the wireless proxim stuff I got. All it needs to do is be able to send files through the ethernet card that is there and receive them, as the ethernet is hooked to the proxim base station. But there's no traffic from the station to the computer it's hooked to.

Anyway, is there a server that will run as an application under windows?

Vlad
December 25th, 2005, 04:52 PM
Maybe Millennium Edition is the transvestite of operating systems?

That is one of the greatest things I have ever heard....

As for Servers running as programs, I don't think I have ever come across something like that..... There may be a floppy based Linux distro that does something like that. But I don't know.

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays Every One!

-Vlad

Terry Yager
December 26th, 2005, 08:45 AM
DamnSmall linux can run from a single floppy, IIRC.

--T

Vlad
December 26th, 2005, 02:32 PM
DSL (Damn Small Linux) runs on a Single CD


There are Linux distros that run inside of Windows. Never tried it though.

NathanAllan
December 27th, 2005, 02:16 AM
Small update about the network. The laptop's doing okay though. The Proxim stuff is good but my machine didn't like the usb adapter, so I boxed the stuff up. I tried several different configurations of drivers, hardware setups and even changed the topology. If the drivers wouldn't go, then the program wouldn't do right or the machine would keep restarting (solved that one). I can still use it with the laptop but it isn't connecting to anything, since it's meant to be hooked to a server or some kind of high speed something. So when I get a connection like that or a server I'll break the stuff back out. I think it was a windows issue. Whatever. I'll just scrape my pennies and get the 802.11b/g stuff later.

But the original project of the laptop is still running strong! And I still wanna do the linux thing. That damnsmalllinux sounds neat.

Zmatt
December 27th, 2005, 12:28 PM
Terry is thinking of Tiny Linux, DSL is 50 megs but tiny linux is less than 1.44 megs it runs only in text based promt (duh) and i beleive that you can find a link to download it from the official linux site.

EvanK
December 27th, 2005, 10:32 PM
they are making a new operating system completely from scratch. New Kernel, GUI shell, new every thing. I forget its code name, but this one is not related to Vista or Server "Long Horn" in any way.

Vlad -- Microsoft has said in public that "Blackcomb" (maybe 2009-2012 timeframe) will be the successor to Vista/Longhorn Server. But I'm not sure if that is the same thing you're talking about, because they routinely have new OS development at Microsoft Research of course.

Vlad
December 28th, 2005, 07:48 PM
Blackcomb! Thats it!

carlsson
December 29th, 2005, 06:45 AM
I think Microsoft should code-name it Bluescreen. :wink:

Vlad
December 29th, 2005, 06:51 AM
That would be awesome. Project Blue Screen. Wait, wasint that the original Windows 98 and then ME?

carlsson
December 29th, 2005, 07:09 AM
And 2000 as well. Actually, the nastiest BSODs I've ever seen come from W2K installs on malfunctioning or incompatible hardware.

NathanAllan
December 31st, 2005, 11:58 AM
I don't know why I didn't do this before.

I'm posting from my laptop now. Online and listening to a David Bowie cd, "I'm Only Dancing" right a this moment. I do believe the project is a success. I'm actually surprised that I didn't hit that many snags. One more fix and I'll be there(2000Lite). Now I get to actually show off at school. The only gripe is that hte screen has what looks like water damage as far as it's lighter in a pattern that looks like dripped then dried water. hard to describe. But it still shows picture.

I still have the little "Designed for Microsoft Windows 95" sticker in the corner of the screen under the energy star logo, heh heh. I love it.

Terry Yager
December 31st, 2005, 12:04 PM
Could it be bubbles in the Liquid Crystal, as caused by freezing at some point in it's past?

--T

Vlad
December 31st, 2005, 12:06 PM
Awesome, It sounds like you will blow a few minds with your laptop.
How does it handle speed wise? Slow or normal?
as for your mysterious pattern on the screen, LCD panels have been known to form patterns when they age. It could be natural aging or it could have been damage sometime during its intresting life. It could also be a manufacturing defect. Who knows?

-Vlad

NathanAllan
December 31st, 2005, 12:30 PM
The damage looks more like water that dripped down it, as if it got rained on. I didn't think of freezing, though it's not bubble-like in appearance.

Speedwise it moves about as fast as the onboard toshiba modem does, and the graphics takes about a second longer than on my main machine. Opening programs takes about 2 secs longer and opening system things like hardware manager and any of the applets takes 3-4 secs and I believe that if I max the memory at 160mb and apply 2000Lite that those things will go away. I probably don't need the ram if I use that program. We'll see, I have to wait to invest more as my car repair stuff has depleted my funds for a while. Gotta go deliver more pizzas to make up for it, heh heh.

And I hope I do freak some people out. I'm also gonna install OpenOffice for the schoolwork. Gotta get to school on their high speed connection to download it. Screw MS office.

Terry Yager
December 31st, 2005, 01:05 PM
One of my computers had a screen that was "damaged" by freezing, but it didn't "look like" bubbles either. There were just about five-or-six little white-ish spots on the color screen, barely visible unless you were looking for them.

Heh, my son deliers pizzas too, and he's working tonight, expecting to make about $150.00 in tips. This is the busiest night of the year, pizza-wise.

--T

NathanAllan
December 31st, 2005, 11:10 PM
Whatever it is, it's not gotten any worse so I'll not complain much about it. Just a little note. The seller probably knew about it but didn't want to say anything. He knew that he wouldn't be able to get as much. It *does* show up on the setup screen, which he would have been kicked into if there was no hdd (there wasn't). Again, not complaining. I'm happy with it.

I wish it was a better night for me. All the drunk people tipped 5 and 6 bucks, while the babysitters let the kids order and they did *not* tip. I went on my last run and the cooks (or "insiders") had made the medium a large by accident, I made a big show of how a mistake was made and "it's for the New Year!" and got no tip from a teenager. If my order came upgraded I would have tipped. :!:

Vlad
January 1st, 2006, 11:50 AM
I gave the local Pizza guy a $20 for a tip once....

Terry Yager
January 1st, 2006, 04:35 PM
I gave the local Pizza guy a $20 for a tip once....

How drunk were you...???

--T

NathanAllan
January 1st, 2006, 06:48 PM
some time last week one of the cute girl delivery people got a $20 tip.

So was she cute? It had to be a girl unless you were really that drunk.

Terry Yager
January 1st, 2006, 07:12 PM
I used to go out with a cocktail waitress, and I learned the importance of tips at that time, and I've been very generous ever since. She was widdowed, supporting herself and her two children (Her husband, my good friend, "Fleetwood", from the Avengers MC, got ran over from behind on his Panhead by a drunk in a cage).
Some folks are very dependant on tips, since they are paid *less than* minimum wage...(My son makes $3.50 a run + tips, and they deliver within a *10-mile* radius). Without tips, he'd barely make his gas expenses. He's lucky tho, he scores between $50.00 & 75.00 a night in tips...

--T

NathanAllan
January 1st, 2006, 10:27 PM
I hear ya. I was just being funny about the drunk thing :)

My check is less than great, though I make minimum wage plus $1.10 per run, plus tips. All in all it's not bad, and tonight I brought in $45. Not real good, since I had several non-tippers. It happens. Since I started driving this car (besides the fixing of it lately) gas has been relatively cheaper. I was in a Cherokee, and it was a gas guzzler in comparison. I need to apply some fixes to it to get better mileage. But my very first night I brought in $70, and still haven't topped that. The wages were less than minimum but the gov't stepped in and said no, minimum is minimum, there is nothing less than that. I guess it was the state. Luckily I had saved ebough and was still working up to that point that the car broke that I could concentrate on fixing it.

My wife had been a waitress for years up till recently, adn that's how she made all her money.She's very charismatic:D so she did very well.

Terry Yager
January 2nd, 2006, 12:21 AM
I think the reason they don't have to pay minium wage is that he's considered an "Independant Contractor" and not an "employee".

--T

Vlad
January 2nd, 2006, 12:50 PM
I gave the local Pizza guy a $20 for a tip once....

How drunk were you...???

--T

Not as much as I would have liked to have been at the time....
And yes, she was THAT hot....

NathanAllan
January 5th, 2006, 01:29 PM
Has anyone ever heard of the Abyss web server? I was thinking of using this to make my machine a small webserver so that the laptop and anything else can communicate.

http://www.aprelium.com/

The resource requirements are so low that I might hook up the NEC laptop as a standalone server in te future. But today, I was thinking of using this along with the Proxim stuff I bought. I wanted a server that acted as an application in another post and then I find this. Hmmm. Since the USB adapter from Proxim didn't like my machine I can use my machine as the gateway for the base station instead and still have some kind of connectivity. I use walmart connect, and I talked to them and they don't support service over a lan. I suggested to try to make a product with these guys. Whatever. I'm experimenting.

And I wanted to see what you guys think first. The online docs say one host is supported.

http://www.aprelium.com/abyssws/summary.html

Please explain this to me.

Vlad
January 5th, 2006, 01:38 PM
Hey, if you do set up a web server, you might need this,

http://www.no-ip.com/

Its a static DNS for your dynamic IP

TRANSLATION: Your IP addrsss usually changes every few days, so these people give you a URL and you download a client to your server (windows only I think,) and every time someone goes to your URL, it automatically sends them to your computer. I used on my server for Port 80 redirection. (Port 80 = HTTP) It may be of some use to you, but be warned, I used IIS not third party software. as far as I can remember, IIS comes with the Server versions and XP Pro. But the connections in XP are limited. (I think)

Hope this helps you,

-Vlad

NathanAllan
January 20th, 2006, 10:43 AM
I was looking for something different as far as the webserver, and it didn't work for me. The computer was still not talking to the router. So the router's packed up and in the closet for now. I think the computer'll run better if it had the pcmcia adapter, as the USB one sucks. Oh well.

I am giving XPLite a try on this laptop. So far, most of the cool stuff is in the pro version, I have the trial. So it's pretty limited as far as things you can turn off.

Another update is that this P166 is being put to the real test as a desktop replacement. HAL's main drive is failing so I took it offline for a while so I can ge a new one in there. So far, this thing has handles everything but WinRar at it. I don't use that too much, though. It keeps telling me that the paging file will be increased(one of the things you can't turn off with the trial) and I just want it to do it and not tell me. I'll get more ram someday. As far as getting online, making papers of any sort (powerpoint and word) but my school cd's require more ram, so I'll upgrade first. No way around that.

So it's working good.

Terry Yager
January 20th, 2006, 11:26 AM
Nathan,

You say your drive is failing? Can you use a matched pair of 1Gb SCSI drives? I'll contribute them for shipping cost, if you can use 'em. They're brand-new, IBM, one is still sealed in original packaging, and the other one, I opened just for visual inspection. These would be suitable for a redundant system (RAID 2?).

--T

NathanAllan
January 20th, 2006, 11:40 AM
I don't have scsi on it, but thanks for the offer. I intend to go to the local place and get a 40gb (the smallest thing you can get anymore) for $45. Not bad for a store. Comes with a guarantee even, from the manufacturer. My friend Jason tipped me off that I can use partition magic to copy the partition with all data from one drive to the other and adjust the max size. That's pretty neat, and am gonna give it a try.

I have just gotten a motherboard and have th rest of the parts save for a hdd to build another machine. Nice board, with raid and all kinds of the things that I'm looking for. I don't really know what I'll do with that yet, it might end up being pure Linux.

Speaking of Linux, but are hardware modems scarce or what? My friend Joe hunted for a hw modem for over a year (that didn't cost hundreds of dollars) and finally got one last week.

Vlad
January 20th, 2006, 12:49 PM
I have a external USR modem that worked with Linux. Its 28.8k though...... I have found that External modems seem to work with Linux easier. I never found an internal modem that worked though...... One thing you could do though, is have one machine on your network connect to the intrenet and just network the Linux machine to it. Like an internet gateway.

NathanAllan
January 27th, 2006, 12:08 PM
That's what I'm gonna end up doing, cause I don't wanna lug around a big external modem. It'll have to go through a network.

Things I have discovered while doing this project:

WinLite is only good for workstations, as it removes a lot of the security and inner windows workings that keep it up online. I don't reccomend it for a power user that not behind a firewall and has a server or other machine doing antivirus.

I took my laptop to the school today and showed it off a little. Of course, not too many people were impressed with it, as it's not new and shiny and expensive. That's what they teach, after all. The guy that sits next to me in my hardware class (required) is building a system, and I didn't see much 'cool' about it other than it was gonna be really expensive. Pretty off-topic here, so I'll skip the parts. They were all vutting edge.

So I'll definitely be loading some kind of Linux on this laptop soon since I finally fixed my main machine. I used partition magic to copy everything over and it was a snap, very hands-off. I called around and it was gonna cost me $90 to have it done. I think I'm in the right field of work :)

Vlad
January 27th, 2006, 12:16 PM
I'm at both ends. Cutting edge and Vintage. I still use some old school tatics on new machines though. Sometimes the old answer to a modern problem works better than an modern answer to modern problem.....

-V

Terry Yager
January 27th, 2006, 02:39 PM
I'm strictly trailing-edge all the way. I use Win98SE, but for certain (mundane) tasks, like formatting a stack of floppies, or mass-file copying, I usually go to a DOS prompt.

--T