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carlsson
December 22nd, 2005, 06:22 AM
By an occassion, I found a web page related to so-called back masking and other hidden messages. You probably know a lot of these examples: Led Zeppelin's "Stairway to Heaven", various Beatles songs, Queen and so on.

Even Britney Spears appears in these circles, selecting a passage from her first hit "One more time" and play it backwards sounds like "slee .. me .. I'm not too young". If you have enough imagination, you can hear "sleep with me".

This sounds like a bit of fun, so on random attempt I went through a few MP3s and reversed them. So far, I have only found one instance, and depending on what you hear, it is not as shocking as the known ones:

The Ides of March - L.A. Goodbye: "Everytime I wa(ve goodbye)" (http://www.anders.sfks.se/mp3/obey.mp3)

What do you hear?

vic user
December 22nd, 2005, 07:17 AM
i hear

"you must obey"

and

"you masturbate"

chris

Terry Yager
December 22nd, 2005, 11:42 AM
I must not be getting the full effect, all I hear is the word "you".

I found a website a few years ago dedicated to backwards messages in the TV show X-Files. Some of them were pretty freaky (I just checked, but the (GeoCities) page seems to be AWOL now).

--T

Jorg
December 22nd, 2005, 12:00 PM
i hear

"you must obey"

and

"you masturbate"

chris

Ditto

carlsson
December 22nd, 2005, 01:10 PM
No matter what, if the forward and backward messages would be played together.. "Everytime I wave, you (whatever)". BTW, that was supposedly their 2nd biggest hit after Vehicle.

CP/M User
December 22nd, 2005, 01:34 PM
"carlsson" wrote:

> What do you hear?

You must obey.

Which Beatles songs have backward messages?

Wonder if the Byrds do this too. Any hidden messages in "Eight Miles
High" etc? er? Maybe the messages are hidden play the music as usual?

And what about the Doors? I couldn't help but think playing "The End"
backwards is stronger than playing it fowards!

CP/M User.

CP/M User
December 22nd, 2005, 02:08 PM
Okay, I was just wonderning where you came across this message
Carlsson - this message has been posted at this forum:

http://www.s5000.net

I don't think this is any coincidence - this topic is obviously getting
around! ;-)

CP/M User.

carlsson
December 23rd, 2005, 03:20 AM
Um, that forum seems very Fuji centered and at a quick glance I could not find any off-topic areas which may host a message about backmasking. Actually I have never seen that forum before.

Beatles backmasking includes gibberish at the end of "I'm so tired", when played backwards sounds like "Paul is a dead man, miss him, miss him". Other examples; in "Revolution 9" played backwards one supposedly can hear "turn me on, dead man". John Lennon is credited for some reverse messages in his solo career too, and even Yoko Ono played backwards turns the love song "Kiss, Kiss, Kiss" into "I shot John Lennon".

If you want more examples, I suggest you search for backmasking, since there appears to be hundreds or maybe more websites out there. I don't know whether any messages have been found in the other groups you mention.

CP/M User
December 23rd, 2005, 11:48 AM
"carlsson" wrote:

> Um, that forum seems very Fuji centered and at a quick glance I could
> not find any off-topic areas which may host a message about
> backmasking. Actually I have never seen that forum before.

Sorry it's in there - but you need to go to the Discussions section:
http://www.s5000.net/phpBB2/

From there this simular topic which was also just started (which makes
me think this was no accident) can be found in the Other Chat section.

It is indeed a very strange coincidence - which makes me wonder where
the initial forum site resides (I thought perhaps I should join it! :-)

Likewise this other thread in this other forum talks about Backmasting,
but talks about hidden messages in Jingle Bells (they seem to think
there's a bad word in it) & go on to talk about the hidden message in
Stairway to Heaven.

> Beatles backmasking includes gibberish at the end of "I'm so tired",
> when played backwards sounds like "Paul is a dead man, miss him,
> miss him". Other examples; in "Revolution 9" played backwards one
> supposedly can hear "turn me on, dead man". John Lennon is credited
> for some reverse messages in his solo career too, and even Yoko Ono
> played backwards turns the love song "Kiss, Kiss, Kiss" into "I shot
> John Lennon".

That is truely bizarre - it sounds like there were serious conflicts within
the group. I was watching the making The Making of The John Lennon
album "Imagine" the other week. Boy did John have some mouth on him!
One interesting message I got from it though, which follows the book I
mentioned earlier is in regard his "Make Love, not war" comment. It's
interesting to note he didn't want everone going out & do the deed - but
to have an apprieciation for everything - love everything. Perhaps he
knew lots about energy transference & that it has it's rewards.

> If you want more examples, I suggest you search for backmasking,
> since there appears to be hundreds or maybe more websites out there.
> I don't know whether any messages have been found in the other
> groups you mention.

Yeah, I'm sure there's sites - I just wondered which Beatles songs had
messages (I won't really raid the Backmaskering sites! :-)

Cheers,
CP/M User.

carlsson
December 23rd, 2005, 02:06 PM
Aha, now I see. I went to the forum before, but never saw the off-topic area. That topic started with the Jingle Bells one. I've seen a link to it too, but I haven't listened to the song. Actually I was out searching for a good MP3 of Stairway and stumbled across a backmasking site.

The Yoko Ono one is a bit far-fetched actually. So are many of the other too, but once you are a believer, you will hear anything you want to hear, in particular if someone tells you that you are supposed to hear it.

I've listened to a few other songs, but haven't found anything meaningful. Probably it is a matter of coincidences rather than deliberate planning if you "hear" something in most of the songs. Some are better than other.

DimensionDude
December 23rd, 2005, 06:03 PM
Hmm...If I'm remembering this correctly (too lazy to Google), There's a backwards message on Pink Floyd's "The Wall" album that says:

(paraphrasing)

"Congratulations, you have found the secret message. Send your answers to Old Pink..."

Performed some tape tricks many years ago and heard it, thought it was cool, then mostly forgot about it. :)

Kent

CP/M User
December 23rd, 2005, 08:29 PM
I thought this site might be of some interest to others:

http://www.crispen.org/rants/secrets.html

Which talks about quite a few different songs with hidden messages.

It also lists a couple of hidden Pink Floyd messages. The one from the
Wall suggests this was said - "Congratulations, you have just discovered
the secret message. Please send your answer to old Pink, care of the
funny farm.." (with another word fading away at the end of this).
According to them this is on the Goodbye, Blue Sky track.

I never would have known!

CP/M User.

CP/M User
December 23rd, 2005, 08:35 PM
Now I'm still somewhat confused how these backward messages get interpreted. Is it really possible to encode some message & then have it interpreted back to it's original self?

For instance if I wrote something (a piece of school work for example) & I wanted a message in that to say this is Property of CP/M User - could I do that through this form of encryption - or would I need something more advanced?

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carlsson
December 24th, 2005, 12:20 AM
I just tried to record a few simple messages, reverse the sample and listen to it and try to mimic the sound. Then I recorded a new message, trying to speak in reverse and again reverse that sample. Some sounds are easier to recreate than others. There are people who can say most things backwards, but I suppose they have practised a lot more than five minutes.

Original: http://www.anders.sfks.se/mp3/chreve-fw1.mp3
Backwards: http://www.anders.sfks.se/mp3/chreve-bw1.mp3
Mimic BW: http://www.anders.sfks.se/mp3/chreve-bw2.mp3
Reversed: http://www.anders.sfks.se/mp3/chreve-fw2.mp3

The most cool thing is if you can find a wording so it is legitimite both forwards and backwards. Gibberish may be too obvious.

CP/M User
December 26th, 2005, 12:02 PM
"carlsson" wrote:

> I just tried to record a few simple messages, reverse the sample and
> listen to it and try to mimic the sound. Then I recorded a new message,
> trying to speak in reverse and again reverse that sample. Some sounds
> are easier to recreate than others. There are people who can say most
> things backwards, but I suppose they have practised a lot more than
> five minutes.

Okay, I just listen to them & wrote what it sounds like beneath.

> Original: http://www.anders.sfks.se/mp3/chreve-fw1.mp3

Christmas Eve.

> Backwards: http://www.anders.sfks.se/mp3/chreve-bw1.mp3

We Some Zero?

> Mimic BW: http://www.anders.sfks.se/mp3/chreve-bw2.mp3

We Some Chick?!?

> Reversed: http://www.anders.sfks.se/mp3/chreve-fw2.mp3

Chris must eel?!?

> The most cool thing is if you can find a wording so it is legitimite both
> forwards and backwards. Gibberish may be too obvious.

That's amazing - what sort of equipment do you need to do all that, or is it just done on the computer? If it was a computer, then what sort of software did you use - it's quite amazing!

The Backwards one has been going for a long time. I don't know who started it - I thought it might of been The Beatles with their Rain, but I've got other groups doing it too like The Byrds doing it on a couple of their tracks, on their Younger than Yesturday album. A lesser known Aussie group which also did some backwards stuff on one of their songs is the Masters Apprentices. But I'm sure there'd be heaps of others.

CP/M User.

carlsson
December 27th, 2005, 09:30 AM
Well, I used a simple recording program and the microphone built into my monitor. First, I spoke the forward message, then I reversed it and tried to mimic the sound and made a new recording. Finally I reversed the second sample. I don't know if you get better results with some special equipment, more than your imagination and a good set of vocal chords so you can voice any kind of sound. Most of the time, backwards English sounds like fake Russian or something, although I know that is a false accussation.

Chris must eel? Heh.