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Chromedome45
October 1st, 2011, 12:15 PM
What is/was the best 68k Mac made? In as far as performance etc. Also while on the subject what was the fastest B/W Mac. You know like the original Mac with 9" screen ? Jsut wanted opinions.

gsteemso
October 1st, 2011, 01:49 PM
As far as I can tell from looking at old specifications on the web, the most powerful 68k Mac was either the Quadra 950 or the Quadra 840AV, depending on whether your software supported the 840AV’s DSP chip or not. As far as the black-and-white compact Macs went, by far the most capable in terms of hardware was the SE/30 — though it couldn’t run OS 7.6.x, I’ve read indications that 7.5.5 can be made to do almost as much. If you relax your specifications to “most powerful compact Mac,” the Colour Classic II can be heavily upgraded with a more modern motherboard etc. and becomes very capable when you do.

RWallmow
October 1st, 2011, 03:13 PM
As far as I can tell from looking at old specifications on the web, the most powerful 68k Mac was either the Quadra 950 or the Quadra 840AV, depending on whether your software supported the 840AV’s DSP chip or not. As far as the black-and-white compact Macs went, by far the most capable in terms of hardware was the SE/30 — though it couldn’t run OS 7.6.x, I’ve read indications that 7.5.5 can be made to do almost as much. If you relax your specifications to “most powerful compact Mac,” the Colour Classic II can be heavily upgraded with a more modern motherboard etc. and becomes very capable when you do.
Totally, SE/30 is one of my favs, can really do a lot with one as far as classic macs go (there are processor upgrades, NIC cards, video cards) it can be made into a VERY capable B&W mac. If you dump tons of upgrades and money into it it can even be forced to run OS 8.1 (though that's not an easy task, its a real hack, need IIsi or IIfx roms, and a bunch of res-editing).

The Color Classic II (and plain Color Classic for that matter) are really neat machines, and also have a good upgrade path, one person is known to have one upgraded all the way to a G3 500mhz, but that also took some serious hackery (with hacksaws and all, not a mod for most people). Most people can get it to a very capable 68040 or even low end PPC with off the shelf upgrade parts though.

Side note, I am really pissed my SE/30 rusted away beyond repair, will never leave computers in non-climate controlled storage ever again. Can't wait to get my hands on another one some day when the price is right ;-)

Chromedome45
October 1st, 2011, 03:55 PM
Currently I own a Mac Classic, Apple IIgs and an Apple IIe Platinum. I really like the mac classic but the 8Mhz 68000 is a little on the slow side. I did have a color classic a little while back but the main board gave out so I wound up trashing it. I wished it would have survived! I was looking at the SE/30 and a Calssic II. But funds are very tight and won't even think about possibly getting an SE/30 for a while. That's all the Apple stuff I have the rest are PC's and compatibles.

Compgeke
October 1st, 2011, 04:28 PM
I myself liked the Centris 610 because of it's support for a CD rom drive build in, rather than an external one. I know you'll get many answers though as to which is best. I seem to remember there was a PowerPC 601 upgrade for the SE/30 but I can't remember.

AppleIIfan
October 1st, 2011, 06:08 PM
The SE/30 is by far my favorite Compact Mac..
Mine has 48MB RAM Installed.. a 2GB Internal SCSI Drive.. a Network card. It runs A/UX 3.0.1.. Darn nice machine.

As far as the most expandable.. Id have to say the quadra 950.. I own one.. and its quite useful. Has room for a ton of internal hard drives- Internal CD-ROM.. Nice fast 040, Expandable to 256MB RAM.. Mine currently has 128MB RAM in it and a 2GB Drive. Its used as an IRC machine, Data recovery system and for some great 040 games

commodorejohn
October 1st, 2011, 06:24 PM
I love the SE/30 because it's got all the neat features of compact Macs (ultra-crisp monitor, small footprint, sweet design) backed up by computing power more comparable to a mid-range 68k desktop model. I really need to get mine up and running...

Color Classic looks like a pretty good machine, but I just cannot stand its look...that whole period in Mac industrial design never did it for me.

tezza
October 2nd, 2011, 12:46 AM
I also love my SE/30. Very fast.

Tez

DOS lives on!!
October 2nd, 2011, 03:08 AM
I also love my SE/30. Very fast.
Indeed it is. It loads up applications very fast and shuts down in less than a second (literally), I vote for the Macintosh SE.

Chromedome45
October 2nd, 2011, 04:56 AM
Well if someone would like to donate a SE/30 I wouldn't refuse to take it. Might even consider a trade for one.

AppleIIfan
October 2nd, 2011, 08:06 AM
If I had a spare to get rid of I would.. One runs A/UX, the other runs my AppleShare Server.. Good rock solid reliable systems.

RWallmow
October 3rd, 2011, 12:03 PM
Everyone's making me want to go pay ebay prices for a SE/30 now, must resist, wait for one that's not overpriced, lol.

Chromedome45
October 4th, 2011, 04:37 AM
Resistancs is futile...The Borg. You must go to EBay and buy one now...

RWallmow
October 4th, 2011, 06:30 AM
Resistancs is futile...The Borg. You must go to EBay and buy one now...
Someone here on the forum has made me an offer I cannot refuse, will be doing a trade for one, will finally once again be a proud SE/30 owner.

Chromedome45
October 11th, 2011, 04:12 PM
I guess the SE/30 is the way to go. But it will be a while till I can get one.

Chromedome45
October 18th, 2011, 08:03 AM
Well I broke down and got one. It had a really shakey flakey display problem. Noticed the Yoke connections on the analog board were overheated. (see Blurry pic) From I have read this is a common problem. So I cut the wires out of the connector. Removed the connector from the analog board as well and soldered Yoke wires directly to the analog board. Rock steady display now. No more shaking. Had a dead 40MB SCSI drive which I replaced with a 1GB SCSI drive. Floppy was very dirty and cleaned out as well and only had 4.5 MB RAM. Removed the 4 256k RAM chips and installed 4 4MB RAM SIMMS and now recognizes the full 20MB of RAM thanks to MODE32 extension. I will say this is a lot faster than my Mac Classic! Very nice system and now I know why you guys love them so much.:D

AppleIIfan
October 18th, 2011, 11:26 AM
Congrats on getting one.. Now start looking for upgrades.. Ethernet card, Micron Xceed that will display greyscale on the internal display & do vga out.. Processor upgrade, you name it. get 8 16MB SIMMS in it. You can have 128MB of ram in that thing. Add an 040 upgrade. and that thing will really fly.

geoffm3
October 18th, 2011, 01:33 PM
The SE/30 is probably the single most popular 68k Mac (at least for the compacts), but shouldn't the IIci/IIcx be just as good?

Chromedome45
October 18th, 2011, 02:53 PM
Is it true that you can get the ROM SIMMs out of a IIsi and make it 32bit clean? And all those upgrades? damn I heard it's nearly impossible to find the Micron exceed and then what about the 040 upgrade? Know of a source AIIFan?

AppleIIfan
October 18th, 2011, 06:45 PM
The RAM is cheap.. 9.99 a SIMM at Other World Computing 040 upgrades come and go on eBay. yeah the Micron Xceed is a rare beast.
Internal Ethernet Cards command a high price.. usually 100-150 for them. Yeah a ROM SIMM out of a IIsi will work.. trick is finding a IIsi with a rom simm, not many had them.


Theres the ram
http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/30PS16MB/

commodorejohn
October 18th, 2011, 07:22 PM
There's also that new EEPROM SIMM from the 68kMLA forums...works just fine in my SE/30.

Chromedome45
October 19th, 2011, 04:14 AM
Could you shoot me a link to it? If possible that is.

RWallmow
October 19th, 2011, 06:00 AM
Could you shoot me a link to it? If possible that is.
http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum/showthread.php?27410-Macintosh-II-ROM-hack-custom-boot-chime-amp-icons Here's a link on this forum for some basic discussion about it, and links to 68kmla site

commodorejohn
October 19th, 2011, 06:01 AM
This (http://68kmla.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=16544) is the thread where it's discussed, the OP is selling them, optionally pre-assembled, and optionally with EEPROMs included. Pretty good price, too.

Chromedome45
October 19th, 2011, 06:55 AM
Thanks for the links.