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bbcmicro
April 9th, 2006, 04:52 AM
Ok,

I'm being a bit unfair with the sweeping title. It's not eBayers in general, it's just those few whose listings have one or more of the components:

1) Entire listing in capital letters

2) Appalling spelling or 1337 sp33k

3) Sentences along the lines of:"Been in attic for 20 years but was working fine when last used"

4) People who have a computer with everything they need to set it up, even if its just a PSU and telly lead, and are unwilling to spend five minutes to set it up after spending god knows how long looking for it, making it look pretty and taking photos, and say "Untested, sold as seen" Either they know its broken and dont want to admit to it, or they just feel like throwing money away. (I can appreciate that some people do this cos their in a hurry but it happens so much!)

5) People who list some crappy tape game that was overproduced and is common as muck, with the words "RARE!!!" and "VINTAGE!!!","L@@K!" and have a starting price of 20 quid.

6) People who list things is completely the wrong place : Vintage computing>> Cheapo Chinese Jewelry??? WTF????

7) People who have 20 of identical whatevers and gives them each a seperate listing.

Thats all I can think of for now. I feel so much better! aah.

What annoys you about ebay?

Vlad
April 9th, 2006, 05:28 AM
I hate eBay was well, but last time I Mentioned it, I got griped at.

Anyway, the miss posting thing is annoying. Like the Jewelry in the computer catagory. What? Thats not even close. I've had a few adventures with eBay from being ripped off, to sueing PayPal. I had quite the odyssey before I left.

-V

bbcmicro
April 9th, 2006, 05:48 AM
I dont buy much an ebay.
My Dad and I, really the only ones in our family who use ebay, have never been ripped off, although there have been auctions where the Item was recieved with faults the seller 'Forgot' to mention. Usually little things like a loose UHF connection, but I browse a lot looking at nice things I cant have (drool) I must say though, annoying things like leet do deduct from the drool marathon. You just feel like shouting at them "GO BACK TO SCHOOL!" I mean, I'm still at school and I don't even have an English qualification yet, and my grammar, spelling and typing (although not great and prone to the odd typo) is better than theirs! Egads!
Anyhoo all the Chinese jewerly has the usual crap like "precision manufactured" and its all plastic tat anyway. It just annoys me soo much!

Terry Yager
April 9th, 2006, 06:57 AM
Guilty! I usually sell items on eBay as-is, untested, been in the [basement] for 20 years. I just say that it worked the last time it worked.

When someone is selling large volumes of inexpensive stuff, I don't expect them to test every item, but if sum'n is offered 'as-is', I adjust my bid downwards accordingly, to an amount I'm willing to gamble. Some people like to go to the casino, but I prefer to participate in the eBay crap-shoot. (I have picked-up many treasures, dirt cheap that way, along with the occaisional POS).

--T

bbcmicro
April 9th, 2006, 07:31 AM
lol, I have bought items 'untested' and I do the same. I tell myself bid for less! I have picked up things cheaply but that said I've also been dissapointed. Like you said, It's a gamble!

carlsson
April 9th, 2006, 12:41 PM
Maybe people don't know what to look for if they turn the computer on. For example, they may have an old C64 that displays the power-on message, but no blinking cursor. It could be an array of more or less severe faults, but if the seller is unaware there should be a blinking cursor, and took a snapshot, will the buyer ask if the cursor did flash? I believe it could be worse, the cursor is blinking but every input yields an error message. The seller is clueless and claims it is OK, since it at least starts. Almost worse than selling it untested as-is, if the buyer doesn't know how much the seller knows about the item he is selling.. if you see what I mean.

alexkerhead
April 9th, 2006, 06:17 PM
I am a small time ebay seller, but I always test something if I have the means to. Unfortunatly, most of the time people dont have a way to test an item. But most of time the ones who do, have already tested and know it is broke, but save time with refunds by lying, it is easier to sell if you act like there is a chance in hell it will work..lol
I do not sell broke stuff, unfortunatly some do, and lie about it.
Everything I have ever sold has been either untestable NOS, or tested used stuff. But I always buy tested items, at least for power up, or it is under $15.
Good point carlsson however, but if an item will come one, it is usually better off than if it hadn't came on.
Here are the things I am selling right now.
If you hadn't noticed, I keep all old computers.....lol
I just got these at an estate sale.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9710029097&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9710033478&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9710040612&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

I just sold this a few days ago.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8790971709&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESO%3AIT&rd=1


What annoys me about ebay?
Mainly when a seller has no description, or anything regarding to condition or function.

Terry Yager
April 9th, 2006, 08:09 PM
A Word of Caution

...The biggest concern, however, is with those [electrolytic] capacitors. The electrolyte dries out over time, and if you apply current to one in a dried out state, it might explode. Take this warning to heart:

NEVER, EVER TRY TO RUN AN EARLY MICROCOMPUTER THAT HAS BEEN UNUSED FOR A LONG TIME WITHOUT FIRST TESTING IT'S COMPONENTS.

You might be able to "reform" the electrolyte with a device called a Variac. A Variac brings up the voltage slowly so that the insulating oxide layer in the electrolyte can reform. Collectible Microcomputers, (c)2002 by Michael Nadeau, pg. 7.

There may be a very good reason not to test early vintage equipment. If you've never had a cap (or better yet, 7 or 8 of 'em) go off under your nose, all I can say is that the experience can be quite dramatic. Most of the time, I don't have the time to spend a couple days bringing up old equipment gradually, using a Variac. The value of most stuff just doesn't justify it, however, when the item is of greater value, (or if I just feel like playing with it), I do go to the trouble. My break-point is around $100.00 or so. If I can't ask that much for an opening bid, I usually won't fool with it, it just ain't worth the trouble, I'd rather just as-is it for fifty or less.

--T

EvanK
April 9th, 2006, 08:32 PM
What annoyed me on eBay recently: someone told me in a private email that he has 200 units of a particular vintage computer, but he listed them one at a time as "RARE!"... how rare can it be if he's got 200 of them?

Terry Yager
April 9th, 2006, 08:39 PM
I love it! Earlier today, I saw a Tandy 1000 that was described as 'RARE' (Yup, all caps all right). I know that there are about 200 of those 'rare' machines stored in ComputerHell (I wish I could get fifty buck$ apiece for just a few of them).

--T

Micom 2000
April 9th, 2006, 10:12 PM
I just got these at an estate sale.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9710029097&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9710033478&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9710040612&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1



Wow I'd been meaning to check out that category for some time. Didn't realise it was so big. I was amazed at the prices several of the tubes went for. I have a repairmans kit stuffed with boxed tubes. Also several small boxes of loose tubes. I think a few might be TV not audio however. Now I'll have to do a list of all the tube #s.
and start checking values. There used to be a large tube supplier in the southern States but with inflated prices of
course.

Do use a tube tester ? I have an old Eico one I use. Seems to do the job. Has a chart which shows the settings for various tubes.

I have several old Eico tube amps as well as some old tube radios. American 5 types mostly. Also a massive old Dumont scope. I was surprised to find it used 12ax7 and 12au7 tubes among others.

Do you have any 6L6 or 5BU4 tubes ? Maybe we could arrange a trade or something.

Lawrence

alexkerhead
April 9th, 2006, 10:52 PM
Wow I'd been meaning to check out that category for some time. Didn't realise it was so big. I was amazed at the prices several of the tubes went for. I have a repairmans kit stuffed with boxed tubes. Also several small boxes of loose tubes. I think a few might be TV not audio however. Now I'll have to do a list of all the tube #s.
and start checking values. There used to be a large tube supplier in the southern States but with inflated prices of
course.

Do use a tube tester ? I have an old Eico one I use. Seems to do the job. Has a chart which shows the settings for various tubes.

I have several old Eico tube amps as well as some old tube radios. American 5 types mostly. Also a massive old Dumont scope. I was surprised to find it used 12ax7 and 12au7 tubes among others.

Do you have any 6L6 or 5BU4 tubes ? Maybe we could arrange a trade or something.

Lawrence
I have a giant box of tubes, if I run by some, I will PM you. I am sure there is at least one.
At least 175 tubes I got at an estate sale. I cannot test them, the tester for sale was out of my league(price wise, and I needed new tires), but most of these are NOS tubes.
I will look tuesday when I find some good time to rummage through them.

CP/M User
April 9th, 2006, 11:01 PM
bbcmicro wrote:

> Ok,

> I'm being a bit unfair with the sweeping title. It's
> not eBayers in general, it's just those few whose
> listings have one or more of the components:

> 1) Entire listing in capital letters

> 2) Appalling spelling or 1337 sp33k

> 3) Sentences along the lines of:"Been in attic for 20
> years but was working fine when last used"

> 4) People who have a computer with everything they
> need to set it up, even if its just a PSU and telly
> lead, and are unwilling to spend five minutes to set
> it up after spending god knows how long looking for
> it, making it look pretty and taking photos, and say
> "Untested, sold as seen" Either they know its broken
> and dont want to admit to it, or they just feel like
> throwing money away. (I can appreciate that some
> people do this cos their in a hurry but it happens so
> much!)

> 5) People who list some crappy tape game that was
> overproduced and is common as muck, with the words
> "RARE!!!" and "VINTAGE!!!","L@@K!" and have a
> starting price of 20 quid.

> 6) People who list things is completely the wrong
> place : Vintage computing>> Cheapo Chinese Jewelry???
> WTF????

> 7) People who have 20 of identical whatevers and
> gives them each a seperate listing.

> Thats all I can think of for now. I feel so much
> better! aah.

> What annoys you about ebay?

Well yeah, forget about all the con artists out there it's the
people who:

* can't spell
* use Capitals
* have untested 20 year old machines
* know the equipment is broken
* have trashy games or software & use common words
* stick it into the Jewelery section

and most of all:

* Use 20 listings for twenty different machines.

Right, wrong! It's the good ol' profecto's which drives me up
the wall. Even while I'm writing this, I'm being somewhat
perfect, which is driving me barmy!

The way I see it - which is the good thing about eBay, if it's
some piece of crap which doesn't get a sale - it won't be
sold. That includes people who bump up the price of something
which is unreasonible. Nobody will buy it if the price is too
high - or it's stuck somewhere in the Jewelery section -
that's the sellers problem - let them deal with it! ;-)

Cheers,
CP/M User.

CP/M User
April 9th, 2006, 11:07 PM
Terry Yager wrote:

> Guilty! I usually sell items on eBay as-is, untested,
> been in the [basement] for 20 years. I just say that
> it worked the last time it worked.

Well I'm glad someone here is at least, what a dull & borning
place eBay would be if everybody stuck to the rules. Sure I
think it's good to be honest though & if you have some unboxed
computer from 20 years back, then it's good to say it hasn't
been tested. Just how much would an unboxed Computer be worth
exactly - or for that sake an unboxed RARE computer?!? ;-)

CP/M User.

alexkerhead
April 9th, 2006, 11:11 PM
Ah yes, I forgot about that(dont know why)
Like a month ago, I baught a Apple IIe on ebay, and it was the original raised letter logo model, the nice one, paid top end $100 for the thing, and what arrived was a busted up, 1986 model with the painted on letters, that were almost faded. On ebay, there really isn't anything you can do though, because no matter what, the seller can always give bad feedback. He had also changed the images remotely hostes to the one I had gotten, so he screwed me good. I am still pissed over that one, but had to suck it up and move on. Now I contact the sellers and ask them if I am getting the item pictured, and save images/screenshot/messages/emails. That crap wont happen again.

canuck46
April 13th, 2006, 02:06 PM
well,I was lookin around e*** yesterday and found the same computer in 2 different spots(same vendor/email address) with 2 different prices...even had the same "Listed Damage"....$89 US at one place and $299 US on another.....something wrong with that picture?????

Dave:confused:

alexkerhead
April 13th, 2006, 02:11 PM
someone made a mistake or copied someone else's description, either way, they are lazy.

DOS-Master
April 20th, 2006, 05:18 PM
I lost 10,000 dollars on ebay becuause i got scammed off a citroen

never will go back again

Terry Yager
April 20th, 2006, 07:00 PM
Wow! I lost about $700.00 buck$, because I was too st00pit tp know what I was selling...and I like to consider myself an 'expert' in these matters, but I blew it on that call.

--T

alexkerhead
April 20th, 2006, 08:04 PM
I lost 10,000 dollars on ebay becuause i got scammed off a citroen

never will go back again
Sounds like a fish story.:whaasup:

Terry Yager
April 20th, 2006, 08:34 PM
Big fish story OT warning...

I sold seven original 84-key AT keyboards (and thought I was getting a good price) at $20.00 apiece, before I saw someone else's auction for the same thlng sell for over $100.00. I sold the last two I had for $75.00 each, BIN <kicking self...AGAIN!>.

--T

CP/M User
April 20th, 2006, 08:58 PM
Terry Yager wrote:

> I sold seven original 84-key AT keyboards (and
> thought I was getting a good price) at $20.00 apiece,
> before I saw someone else's auction for the same
> thlng sell for over $100.00. I sold the last two I
> had for $75.00 each, BIN <kicking self...AGAIN!>.

I've seen people giving those keyboards away. Must admit they
weren't in the best condition.

$10,000 for a citroen? Na, I was told never go to an Action
for a car - unless you can visurally see the car & it's
workings! Usually though it's a tough call - unfortunately.

CP/M User.

carlsson
April 21st, 2006, 12:34 AM
My big brother (as mentioned in the car thread) successfully bought a 1996 caravan on online auction. It both existed and was in the same nice condition as said when he picked it up. Of course it doesn't contradict that you may encounter cheating sellers.

Terry Yager
April 21st, 2006, 06:21 AM
A trailer is a little bit different tho. I'd feel a lot safer buying one based solely on pictures and printed info. I mean, after all, this is the way new RVs are often marketed, thru catalogs & sales brochures. Many people buy them sight-unseen. OTOH, all the pictures in the world won't tell you if the car is mechanically sound.

--T