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hargle
February 7th, 2012, 10:13 AM
This is the main page for the XTIDE project, revision 2 cards. This card features the same basic design as the original XTIDE, using 74xxx logic parts, but adds support for a high speed UART, a larger boot ROM, and built in "chuck mod" to improve drive performance.

http://www.waste.org/~winkles/xtiderev2tbn.jpg

Feature list
* Works "as you'd expect" as a functioning IDE controller for 8-bit ISA slots. Just attach up to 2 PATA hard drives to a cable and start using it.
* No drivers to load. All HDD support is added through the onboard boot ROM (technically, a 'BIOS expansion ROM').
* Onboard boot ROM (EEPROM type of ROM) can be flash upgraded. No ROM programmer required.
* Supports drives of any size. There are restrictions in the operating system though (DOS 6.22 limits drive size to 8.4Gb)
* The UART (optional) allows the card to boot (http://www.waste.org/~winkles/xtideImgBoot.jpg) over a serial link from a high speed modern computer, reading and writing to an .IMG file that represents a bootable hard disk image.
* Supports most Compact Flash devices attached to CF->IDE converters.
* Supports most DOM devices. (see test results page below)
* Adds a boot menu (optional) to your machine- Boot to any drive attached to your computer, including the B: drive!
* Onboard power connector for powering either CF devices (5 volts) or standard HDDs (12 volts) for machines without spare wiring from the power supply (such as the IBM model 25).

High resolution photos
Photo #1 (http://www.waste.org/~winkles/xtiderev2.jpg) ( Note: 28C64 ROM in use - jumpers K2 and K1 are incorrectly set for that. )
Photo #2 (http://www.minuszerodegrees.net/xtide/rev_2/XT-IDE%20Rev%202%20-%20minus%20UART.jpg) ( Note: Optional UART circuitry not fitted. )

Modes of operation
There are two possible hardware 'modes' of operation. The mode that is used is selected by jumpers on the card.

Compatibility Mode

'Compatibility' means IDE hardware compatibility with an (unmodified) XT-IDE revision 1 card. If your revision 2 card is jumpered for Compatibility mode, the 'device type' option within version v2.0.0 beta 3 of the 'XTIDE Universal BIOS' needs to be set to 'XTIDE rev 1'.

Hi-Speed Mode

During production of the XT-IDE revision 1 card, some people made a modification to both the card and the BIOS software, in order to make the card run faster. That modification to revision 1 cards became known as the 'Chuck mod'. The hardware component of that modification (there is both a hardware and software component) has been incorporated into the XT-IDE revision 2 as 'Hi-Speed Mode'.

As for the software component of the modification, that is in the BIOS: If your revision 2 card is jumpered for Hi-Speed mode, the 'device type' option within version v2.0.0 beta 3 of the 'XTIDE Universal BIOS' needs to be set to 'XTIDE rev 2 or modded rev 1'.

BIOS
The XT Universal BIOS can be downloaded from http://code.google.com/p/xtideuniversalbios/

Versions earlier than 2.0.0 are intended for XT-IDE revision 1, not XT-IDE revision 2. If you want to try a BIOS version earlier than 2.0.0, then note that:
* your XT-IDE revision 2 card will need to be jumpered for Compatibility mode, and
* there is no UART support.

Presently (NOV13), 'v2.0.0 beta 3' is the latest version. When configuring that BIOS, the 'device type' option needs to be set according to the mode that the XT-IDE revision 2 card is jumpered for:
* XT-IDE rev 2 jumpered for Compatibility mode: Set the 'device type' option to 'XTIDE rev 1'
* XT-IDE rev 2 jumpered for Hi-Speed mode : Set the 'device type' option to 'XTIDE rev 2 or modded rev 1'

Schematic diagram
http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/browse/#view=ViewFolder&param=XT-IDE%20V2

Jumper settings
There are two options for jumper diagrams:

Option #1

XT-IDE REV.2 jumper settings (http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/file/63879658/XTIDE%20REV2%20settings.png)

Option #2

1. Basic IDE functionality (http://www.minuszerodegrees.net/xtide/rev_2/XT-IDE%20Rev%202%20-%20jumper%20configuration%20-%20IDE%20functionality.jpg)
2. Boot ROM (http://www.minuszerodegrees.net/xtide/rev_2/XT-IDE%20Rev%202%20-%20jumper%20configuration%20-%20optional%20boot%20rom.jpg)
3. Optional UART (http://www.minuszerodegrees.net/xtide/rev_2/XT-IDE%20Rev%202%20-%20jumper%20configuration%20-%20optional%20UART.jpg)

Other information

Note that changing the I/O address requires a BIOS re-flash so that the BIOS knows where you moved the I/O space to.

P9 near the IDE connector is a power enable/disable jumper to pin 20 (Vcc) If you are using a DOM or other low power device that can accept 5 volts on pin 20 to power the device itself, put a jumper on P9. Then you won't need an external power cable.

Resistor R6
A design error in the XT-IDE revision 1 card, which carried through to the revision 2 card, concerns the 'cable select' functionality (CS) of the IDE specification.
Discussion of this design error in the XT-IDE appears in the XT-IDE thread starting .

For a lot of XT-IDE users, that won't be a problem, because the IDE device in use will probably be set to 'master', not CS.

If the IDE device that you attach to the XT-IDE does not have master/slave/CS jumpers, then it is possibly using CS.
Note that a lot of IDE-to-CF adapters have master/slave jumpers.

Should you wish to correct the design error, replace R6 with a wire link (photo (http://www.minuszerodegrees.net/xtide/rev_2/XT-IDE%20Rev%202%20-%20R6.jpg)), or bridge the ends of R6 using a piece of wire.

[h="2"] Known problems
SYMPTOM: The XT-IDE card 'sees' the CF card, but will not boot from it.
CAUSE: Non-standard boot sector on CF card.
FIX: Use the /MBR option of FDISK.EXE (from DOS version 5 or later) against the CF card. So, after booting from a DOS 5 (or 6) boot floppy, enter: FDISK /MBR

SYMPTOM: On an IBM 5150 or 5160, the XT-IDE card 'sees' the CF card, but will not boot from it.
CAUSE: Motherboard configuration switches set for 3 or 4 floppy drives.
NOTE: Seen with XT Universal BIOS verion 'v2.0.0 beta 3'. Other versions may be affected.
NOTE: Two CF cards were used - one containing DOS 3.3 and the other containing DOS 6.22

Test results
http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum/showwiki.php?title=XTIDE+TestResults

Bill of Materials


from jameco.com:
Part # Description Qty Notes
25523 @ CAP,MONO,.1uF,50V,20% 14 - decoupling caps
1945428 @ CAP,RADIAL,47uF,35V, 1
45129 IC,74HCT688 3
46316 IC,74LS04 1
46375 IC,74LS08 1
46607 IC,74LS138 1
47466 IC,74LS32 1
64418 IC,SN74F573N,DIP-20, 3
287144 IC,74F245,DIP-20, 1
698576 DUAL EIA-232 DRIVERS 1
53605 HEADER,RT MALE,2RW,40 CONT, 1 - right angle IDE connector
109576 HEADER,.1"ST MALE,1RW,3PIN, 6
117197 HEADER,ST MALE,2RW,80 PIN, 1 - break apart for the 2x5's and single jumpers
41111 @ SOCKET,IC,40 PIN,.600",TIN, 1
112214 @ SOCKET,IC,14PIN,DUAL WIPE, 3
112248 @ SOCKET,IC,DUAL WIPE,20PIN 7
112432 @ SOCKET,SHORTNG BLKS,RED,CLSE 16
112272 @ SOCKET,IC,DUAL WIPE,28PIN 1
526205 @ SOCKET,IC,16 PIN,390261-4, 2
333949 @LED,GREEN,572NM,T-1 3/4 1
691104 @ RES,CF,10K OHM,1/4 WATT,5%, 6
690785 RES,CF,470 OHM,1/4 WATT,5% 2
857160 MOLDED SIP,10PIN,BUSSED,10K, 3
2094389 SCREW,PAN HEAD,PPN4-40X1/4 2

Optional UART components: (You'll save a bit of money not buying these if you don't plan on using UART)

33664 CAP,TANT,1uF,35V,10% 5 - for the 232 driver for uart
288809 IC,UART,TL16C550CN,5V,DIP-40 1
133006 SOCKET,OSC.CRYSTAL,14POS,4-PIN 1 - special oscillator socket
117568 CONNECTOR,DISK DRIVE,MALE PCB 1 - molex power plug
325358 OSCILLATOR,7.3728MHZ,FULL CAN, 1 - high speed clock


+ from mouser.com:
556-AT28C64B Atmel EEPROM 1
534-9202 Keystone bracket, ISA 1

+ from Andrew Lynch:
XTIDE rev2 PCB 1


Assembly notes
Some notes for building the card:
* SIP resistors are mounted with the printing facing down, toward the ISA connector.
* The 14 decoupling caps are not polarity sensitive.
* The 5 caps around the 232 driver IC are polarized. Note the + mark on the PCB must match the + on the cap.
* The single large cap is also polarized.
* The LED is polarized. It has one side flattened to indicate polarity. Match the flattened side of the LED with the PCB silkscreen.
* Pin 1 for the IDE connector is down, closest to the ISA connector.
* Pin 1 for the 9 pin serial header is on the left side (look for the square hole on the back of the PCB).
* The card can self-program the EEPROM, so don't worry about needing an EEPROM burner to get a complete card. In fact the card can actually function AS an EEPROM programmer; the XTIDECFG flash program available with the BIOS allows for ROMs between 8 and 64k to be written.


Booting via UART
Supporting software, serdrive.exe and FreeDOS.img, is here (http://www.waste.org/~winkles/xtideUart.zip).

Click here (http://code.google.com/p/xtideuniversalbios/wiki/SerialDrives) for instructions.
Where in those instructions it specifies "SerDrive ImageFile.img", you will use "SerDrive FreeDOS.img".

Note that IMG drives show up as normal drive letters in DOS. So you have the option of booting to a local drive and then accessing the serial drive as D: or E:.

ibmapc
May 7th, 2012, 10:51 AM
Anyone want to go in on a group buy for parts for this board? I have a rev 2 board but some of the parts can't be bought in qtys. less than 10 ea. Anyone interested please PM me or email me gregsaling@comcast.net

w1ll14m
February 9th, 2015, 03:49 AM
Is there still someone that hasa few PCB's or a kit for the rev2 boards for sale?

chulofiasco
June 5th, 2015, 01:03 PM
Is there still someone that hasa few PCB's or a kit for the rev2 boards for sale?

hey man, i have the dangerous prototype v2 board available.

BzzBR
January 8th, 2016, 10:05 AM
Does someone have a working link to the schematic files ? The link http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/brows...am=XT-IDE%20V2 is broken.
Are PCBs available from someone ? If not, and someone send me a link to the PCB files, I can order a new batch from oshpark and share with the community.

Regards,
Alexandre

Krille
January 8th, 2016, 02:29 PM
Does someone have a working link to the schematic files ? The link http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/brows...am=XT-IDE%20V2 is broken.

Try this (http://retrobrewcomputers.org/n8vem-pbwiki-archive/0/35845334/38699551/index.htm).

BzzBR
January 13th, 2016, 06:13 AM
Try this (http://retrobrewcomputers.org/n8vem-pbwiki-archive/0/35845334/38699551/index.htm).

Krille, Thank you for the link. I will check the files.

modem7
January 30th, 2016, 11:59 AM
Additional info at http://www.minuszerodegrees.net/xtide/XT-IDE%20-%20general.htm

MarsMan2020
February 10th, 2016, 08:48 PM
Try this (http://retrobrewcomputers.org/n8vem-pbwiki-archive/0/35845334/38699551/index.htm).

Page on the new wiki is here - http://www.retrobrewcomputers.org/doku.php?id=boards:isa:xt-ide:start

Sir_Fartalot
March 13th, 2016, 03:09 PM
Has anyone made a bill of materials for Mouser? I am pretty much forced to use Mouser because of the shipping costs - when I purchase more than EUR 50, shipping is free to Finland. Also, with Mouse I end up not paying any customs, for whatever logistical magic reason.

MarsMan2020
March 14th, 2016, 09:22 PM
I am not sure why the URL shortening in this forum mangles links to the RBC wiki.

Here is a Preview TinyURL link (allows you to see where it is sending you before you go there) - http://preview.tinyurl.com/h2ruxgh

I am working on moving over the XT-IDE content from the VCF Wiki (which seems to be defunt as far as being a wiki, it's just posts now) and the former Google Code Wiki (which is definitely defunct with Google Code shut down) to the RBC wiki.

Krille
March 15th, 2016, 01:48 AM
I am not sure why the URL shortening in this forum mangles links to the RBC wiki.

I think it will work if you check the "Disable smilies in text"-box.

If I'm right this should work: http://www.retrobrewcomputers.org/doku.php?id=boards:isa:xt-ide:start

Another way is to do a proper link like this (http://www.retrobrewcomputers.org/doku.php?id=boards:isa:xt-ide:start).

EDIT: Yep, both links confirmed working.

MrRedHat
May 2nd, 2016, 12:16 PM
Has anyone made a bill of materials for Mouser? I am pretty much forced to use Mouser because of the shipping costs - when I purchase more than EUR 50, shipping is free to Finland. Also, with Mouse I end up not paying any customs, for whatever logistical magic reason.

Did you come up with a BOM from Mouser? I can't seem to find everything at Jamco, so I will probably go the route of Mouser too. I have three board to build (I probably have the last three boards in existence).

sparky4
July 22nd, 2016, 05:14 AM
holy shit my mobo is http://stason.org/TULARC/pc/motherboards/D/DTK-COMPUTER-INC-8088-PIM-TB10-Z.html and the bios dose NOT load at all which concerns me! wwww the card works fine on other mother boards and if i load the bios on a separate card, everything works fine~

sparky4
July 22nd, 2016, 05:55 AM
32227

sparky4
July 27th, 2016, 05:12 AM
used a different EEPROM chip and now it works.... how odd...

sparky4
August 29th, 2016, 03:07 PM
it turns out the EEPROM chip was bad ^^;

evildragon
May 17th, 2017, 05:01 AM
hey man, i have the dangerous prototype v2 board available.

What makes it dangerous? I'm still using one here, lol.

chulofiasco
May 17th, 2017, 06:06 AM
What makes it dangerous? I'm still using one here, lol.

http://dangerousprototypes.com/blog/tag/xt-ide/

evildragon
May 18th, 2017, 06:27 AM
Oh, the "name", I thought it was physically dangerous.

No this one is an early rev2 design, doesn't even have plated piano contacts or anything.