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marcoguy
June 6th, 2012, 09:42 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/261013360247?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_500wt_1414
This seems like a lot less floppy diskettes than I expected. Is this really the full Works install package?

krebizfan
June 6th, 2012, 10:09 PM
Later versions of Works were able to fit on a single 720kB floppy so 3 360kB floppies isn't too unreasonable. On the other hand, the description of the product does not make sense. A working model was generally a set of demo disks without any manuals. Plus it claims to be Works version 1.1 for windows 2 but everything I have seen suggests that MS Works didn't get a Windows version until Windows 3.

If you decide to bid on it, demand closer pictures of what you are actually getting including pictures of the contents of the ring binder.

GottaLottaStuff
June 6th, 2012, 11:44 PM
The shipping is odd as well. $15.99 for a small flat rate box? I don't see that binder going into a small flat rate box.

DOS lives on!!
June 7th, 2012, 04:28 AM
Well, that's because the seller decided to run the charge up with expedited shipping, not the normal Economy or First Class shipping options.

And if the:

Disks are labeled working model, setup, program 1, & program 2
Then wouldn't there be four disks instead of three?

Stone
June 7th, 2012, 04:54 AM
'Working Model' is the name of the set -- all three disks have Working Model on them.

DOS lives on!!
June 7th, 2012, 05:35 AM
Aa ha, I see. Programs were much smaller back then, so it would fit onto such a small disk quantity.

Stone
June 7th, 2012, 05:43 AM
Programs were much smaller back thenEverything was much smaller back then...

I'm going to stop right there and leave that response wide open! :-)

marcoguy
June 7th, 2012, 06:56 AM
I will do some research on this and see what I can find. If I remember correctly, Works 1.05 was 10 360k floppies. Why is this only 3?

Stone
June 7th, 2012, 07:21 AM
If I remember correctly, Works 1.05 was 10 360k floppies. Why is this only 3?Maybe because it's only a 'Working Model' and not the full program.

Or, maybe those are HD disks, and not 360K?

marcoguy
June 7th, 2012, 07:32 AM
A quick search on Google gave me this passage in Wikipedia:

Version history



Works for MS-DOS
Microsoft Works 1.05
Microsoft Works 1.12
Microsoft Works 2.0 and 2.00a
Microsoft Works 3.0, 3.0a and 3.0b

Works for Mac OS
Microsoft Works 1.0
Microsoft Works 2.0
Microsoft Works 3.0
Microsoft Works 4.0

Works for Microsoft Windows
Microsoft Works 2.0 and 2.0a (Windows 3.x)
Microsoft Works 3.0, 3.0a and 3.0b (Windows 3.x)
Microsoft Works 4.0, 4.0a, 4.5 and 4.5a (Windows 95)
Microsoft Works 2000 (v.5) (Microsoft Works Suite 2000)
Microsoft Works 6.0 (Microsoft Works Suite 2001 and 2002) - Last version for Windows 95
Microsoft Works 7.0 (Microsoft Works Suite 2003 and 2004) - Last version for Windows 98 (Original release)
Microsoft Works 8.0 (Microsoft Works Suite 2005) - Last version for Windows 98 SE/Me/2000 - Fully compatible with Windows XP, Windows Vista, and Windows 7
Microsoft Works 8.5 (Free update for Works 8.0 and Microsoft Works Suite 2006 users)
Microsoft Works 9.0 (Microsoft Works Plus 2008) - First version fully compatible with all versions of Windows Vista

How could the version being sold be for Windows?

DOS lives on!!
June 7th, 2012, 07:40 AM
Plus it claims to be Works version 1.1 for windows 2 but everything I have seen suggests that MS Works didn't get a Windows version until Windows 3.
Marcoguy, so unless you can get the seller to take a picture of a minimum requirements page in the manual or any other requirements reference on the item to prove it, Krebizfan's statement holds true.

MikeS
June 7th, 2012, 08:06 AM
Everything was much smaller back then...

I'm going to stop right there and leave that response wide open! :-)I'm definitely not gonna bite...

Stone
June 7th, 2012, 08:19 AM
hehehe ..... I didn't think *you* would.

But, there are always others who might. :-)

MikeS
June 7th, 2012, 09:20 AM
I know it's inconceivable and borders on heresy, but ... could Wikipedia possibly be wrong?

krebizfan
June 7th, 2012, 11:11 AM
I know it's inconceivable and borders on heresy, but ... could Wikipedia possibly be wrong?

Wikpedia might wrong and my memory might be wrong and the reseller of old software might never have picked up the package but that still leaves the problem of why a free working model would have a complete set of documentation that had to cost more than $50 to print.

I got multiple working models from Microsoft back in the Windows 2 timeframe and all I got in each case was an envelope with the disks needed and sometimes a printed sheet with a little information.

SpidersWeb
June 7th, 2012, 12:58 PM
I'd buy it out of curiousity, but no shipping to NZ, bastards.

marcoguy
June 7th, 2012, 02:27 PM
I asked him to post a pic of the floppies close up and a pic of the system req. He said he would but has failed to do so. And wadaya know! He is also selling an immaculate copy of IBM DOS 2.1 for a surprizingly low price. I am starting to really think he is just full of shit.
DOS 2.1:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-DOS-2-10-manual-and-disks-no-6024120-first-edition-september-1983-ver-2-10-/261040084072?_trksid=p4340.m444&_trkparms=algo%3DUPI.GIROS%252BPI.WATCH%252BCRX%26 its%3DI%252BC%252BS%26itu%3DUCI%252BUCC%252BSI%252 BUA%252BLM%252BLA%26otn%3D15%26pmod%3D261013360247 %26po%3D%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8975870747214712885#h t_500wt_1414

SpidersWeb
June 7th, 2012, 03:09 PM
100% Positive Feedback - 153 sales - only $30 - I'd have thought it's more likely he's genuine. Dunno about MS Works, I'm curious though.
Really want that PC DOS, its actually affortdable lol, but clearly states 'no international shipping' - curses.

MikeS
June 7th, 2012, 03:12 PM
Wikpedia might wrong and my memory might be wrong and the reseller of old software might never have picked up the package but that still leaves the problem of why a free working model would have a complete set of documentation that had to cost more than $50 to print.

I got multiple working models from Microsoft back in the Windows 2 timeframe and all I got in each case was an envelope with the disks needed and sometimes a printed sheet with a little information.I'm not arguing and in fact it's quite possible that those diskettes do not go with that documentation; I'm just suggesting that one should not rely totally on Wikipedia for 100% accurate facts.

"It's on the internet so it must be true!"...

And now that I've learned that listing something for too low a price means that I might be full of shit I'll be sure to double what I was planning to list my old MS software packages for, or at least scratch and dirty them up a bit...

marcoguy
June 7th, 2012, 03:17 PM
I didn't see his ratings. I just am naturally wary of short descriptions and information that doesn't fully check out. I am curious as to what the copy of Works would be like.

Stone
June 7th, 2012, 03:21 PM
Really want that PC DOS, its actually affortdable lol, but clearly states 'no international shipping' - curses.Want me to buy it for ya'?

Anonymous Freak
June 7th, 2012, 03:29 PM
I asked him to post a pic of the floppies close up and a pic of the system req. He said he would but has failed to do so. And wadaya know! He is also selling an immaculate copy of IBM DOS 2.1 for a surprizingly low price. I am starting to really think he is just full of shit.
DOS 2.1:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-DOS-2-10-manual-and-disks-no-6024120-first-edition-september-1983-ver-2-10-/261040084072?_trksid=p4340.m444&_trkparms=algo%3DUPI.GIROS%252BPI.WATCH%252BCRX%26 its%3DI%252BC%252BS%26itu%3DUCI%252BUCC%252BSI%252 BUA%252BLM%252BLA%26otn%3D15%26pmod%3D261013360247 %26po%3D%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8975870747214712885#h t_500wt_1414

Well, he does say it is in excellet condition... (Yay autocorrect! I had to go back and purposefully re-misspell the misspelled word!)

krebizfan
June 7th, 2012, 03:38 PM
I'm not arguing and in fact it's quite possible that those diskettes do not go with that documentation; I'm just suggesting that one should not rely totally on Wikipedia for 100% accurate facts.

"It's on the internet so it must be true!"...

And now that I've learned that listing something for too low a price means that I might be full of shit I'll be sure to double what I was planning to list my old MS software packages for, or at least scratch and dirty them up a bit...

I would expect that you would include legible photos and shots that include the spines of the binders which indicate which product the binder came from. Blurry photos and careful concealment of critical information tends to trigger my wariness of a potential scam.

Anonymous Freak
June 7th, 2012, 04:16 PM
If it's Works 1.x for DOS, three disks is about right - I have Works on one 720 kB 3.5" floppy.

And the picture, while small and fuzzy, does contain text on the disk labels that looks like it could read "Works for Windows". Of which, I have never heard of a version for Windows 2.x. The "Working Model" bit makes me wonder if this was a very late-stage beta of Works 1.x for Windows?

marcoguy
June 7th, 2012, 04:49 PM
So the seller made a mistake and it turns out it is Word. That explains a lot.

GottaLottaStuff
June 7th, 2012, 04:49 PM
What if we all put in $2 and bought this as a group? :bigparty:

SpidersWeb
June 7th, 2012, 04:59 PM
Want me to buy it for ya'?
PM'd

On topic; Word for Windows 1.1 is quite good, can still make respectable documents.