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bettablue
June 14th, 2012, 07:42 AM
We are still trying to get past the low level format on the 10 Meg full height Miniscscribe hard drive in the IBM 5161 expansion unit. Since the controller was swapped out, the drive is no longer recognized. While attempting to low level format a few days ago, the drive was taking for-ever to get through the process, finally after over 12 hours, we stopped the process because we knew it had failed. Ed has tried several routines, all failing.

Someone mentioned that the Western Digital Controller has it's own ROM? That seems all well and good, but I was thinking more on the lines of using Spinrite. I have two versions in my software library, but neither of those will work with the IBM 5150 as the memory requirements clearly describe a 286 processor or higher, something that can utilize more memory.

Can someone point me to where I can FTP or purchase a version for the IBM PC/XT?

Of course, if someone here has a better idea to get through this final stage in the systems setup, please let me know.

Thanks again.

Stone
June 14th, 2012, 07:58 AM
You should be able to tell in the first 10 minutes or so if the procedure is working. No need to wait that long again.

IIRC, Spinrite will not format a new drive -- it only re-formats drives.

You can always plug the drive/controller into a 286/386 and try to format it there. Then, after a successful format you can install it into the PC, kinka like Plug'nPlay.

Or, you can use SpeedStor to LLF that drive in the PC. I have found it to be very reliable. But, I only do the format with it. I always used FDISK for partitioning 'cause SpeedStor seems to be a bit flakey in that area.

Stone
June 14th, 2012, 08:31 AM
I just checked and I have Spinrite II v2.0 which works on my XT so it would work on your PC, if you were so inclined. However, as I mentioned above, it needs a drive with a partition on it before you can use it. But is a very valuable/useful tool for MFM drives as it will perform a non-destructife LLF on the drive. IMO, there is just *no* substitute for that service.

I also have SpeedStor v6.0.3 which works great on my XT as well (with the minor exception previously noted above).

modem7
June 15th, 2012, 01:29 AM
We are still trying to get past the low level format on the 10 Meg full height Miniscscribe hard drive in the IBM 5161 expansion unit. Since the controller was swapped out, the drive is no longer recognized. While attempting to low level format a few days ago, the drive was taking for-ever to get through the process, finally after over 12 hours, we stopped the process because we knew it had failed. Ed has tried several routines, all failing.
So this is a continuation of the thread you started on June 13th, 2012, 03:14 AM

SpidersWeb suggested a data cable issue, which sounded to me exactly like a good probable cause. I've seen the 'slow LLF' issue myself and it was because the data cable was improperly connected. Was this possibility investigated?

What is the model of the WD controller?

modem7
June 15th, 2012, 01:32 AM
You can always plug the drive/controller into a 286/386 and try to format it there. Then, after a successful format you can install it into the PC, kinka like Plug'nPlay.
That won't work if the low level format (the pattern of ones and zeroes) laid down by the 286/386's controller differs to the low level format used by the WD controller.

Stone
June 15th, 2012, 04:06 AM
That won't work if the low level format (the pattern of ones and zeroes) laid down by the 286/386's controller differs to the low level format used by the WD controller.?????

You even quoted me where I said... 'drive/controller'. That means drive and controller. :-)

modem7
June 15th, 2012, 04:20 AM
?????
You even quoted me where I said... 'drive/controller'. That means drive and controller. :-)
Sorry. I didn't pick that up.

bettablue
June 15th, 2012, 05:56 AM
I just checked and I have Spinrite II v2.0 which works on my XT so it would work on your PC, if you were so inclined. However, as I mentioned above, it needs a drive with a partition on it before you can use it. But is a very valuable/useful tool for MFM drives as it will perform a non-destructife LLF on the drive. IMO, there is just *no* substitute for that service.

I also have SpeedStor v6.0.3 which works great on my XT as well (with the minor exception previously noted above).

Can you get Speedstor to me via email?

Also, modem7, yeah we swapped out the cable with another one and it did the same thing. I'm waiting for Ed to tell me which WS controller is in the system so we can try to access the ROM.

To be completely honest, this is one of those things I missed in the beginning of my home PC days. I have never low level formatted a drive before this one, so I don't know what to expect. Hopefully, by wither getting to the WDs ROM or by using Speedstor, we'll get started. We really want to finish this this weekend so we can move the system back home where it belongs.

I will say that is an awesome sound when you turn on the expansion unit and hear the two drives spinning up. With all that noise, you WOULD expect to see a brownout.

MikeS
June 15th, 2012, 11:28 AM
Gawd, this is turning into a book-length epic tale... let me contribute a page:

Are you using a single-drive or a dual-drive control cable?
If dual, does it have a twist or not?
If a twist, which wires are twisted?
If a dual-drive cable, which connector are you using, end or middle?
Are the cable stripes facing the same (correct) way at both ends?
What is the DS jumper on the drive set to?
Does the drive have a terminating resistor installed?
What is the model of the controller?
Which connector is the data cable connected to?
What are you using to LLF the drive?

k2x4b524[
June 15th, 2012, 11:47 AM
I've been puzzling myself over this one, the WD controller should be able to see the Miniscribe drive, the debug g=c800:5 should take you into the controllers bios where you enter all the drive's data by hand. I'm not near any of my resources right now , so i can't tell properly if you want static configuration or dynamic, you want the one that allows you to enter all the data by hand, and it should format the drive, or drives. I suspect there may be a cable or jumpering issue in play hear. I would like to know how this turns out for you.

Stone
June 15th, 2012, 11:49 AM
I can answer some of these questions because I made this cable...

Are you using a single-drive or a dual-drive control cable? dual
If dual, does it have a twist or not? yes
If a twist, which wires are twisted? 25-29
If a dual-drive cable, which connector are you using, end or middle? I marked the cable for drive 0 and drive 1.
Are the cable stripes facing the same (correct) way at both ends? They were when I made it... :-)
What is the DS jumper on the drive set to?
Does the drive have a terminating resistor installed?
What is the model of the controller?
Which connector is the data cable connected to?
What are you using to LLF the drive?

I tested the cable with two drives in my XT after I made it.

bettablue
June 21st, 2012, 11:12 AM
Believe it or not, Ed and I finally got it figured out. Let me explain that Ed came by and took over my 5150 project for a short time while I was dealing with some very serious health concerns that almost caused my death. (yes, I'm still around! Thanks for the applause.) Now that that's over, we both started brainstorming the entire Low Level Formatting process and started to eliminate some of the variables.

Ed noticed that there were some pretty sharp contacts on the board next to the controller, the 8/16 LAN adapter... So, Ed moved the controller over an additional slot and reconnected everything. Viola! Everything worked.

Keep in mind that these were done after taking everyones advice. The original cable we were using is one I had requested. It seems that removing the connector and repositioning it, caused some of the wire traces inside the ribbon to break. Oh, well, lesson learned. We also attempted every one of the tools that were sent to both he and I. None of them would work until the controller was moved to the new slot away from the LAN adapter.

So nos both drives in the expansion unit are working. DOS is installed on the 10 Meg Miniscribe "C" drive and the Control Data "D" drive is currrntly empty.

Our next issue is that of getting the rest of the hardware in the expansion unit working properly. But to do that, we're bringing Alice back home. (For those of you asking; Alice is the name I've given to the entire system, including the 5150, the 5161 expansion unit and peripherals.) We still need to write an autoexec.bat and config.sys for some of the hardware like the AST Six Pack Plus' clock and calendar functionality, etc..

As of right now, Alice is booting from the "C" drive into DOS 3.3 with no errors.

At this point, I would also like to ask for a final favor from all of you. If you can provide the coding to include in the auto exec and config.sys for the hardware listed in my thread titled My IBM 5150 So Far, located in the following link, I would cincerely appreciate it. : http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum/showthread.php?29718-My-IBM-5150-so-far

Thanks to you all my friends. This entire project has been an adventure that has lasted an entire year! Now that it is this close to being complete, I want to get it done before I have to go in for a possible liver transplant. Besides that, thee is another project going on in Linkedin that is utilizing vintage equipment to perform modern tasks. My system will be perfect for it.

Thanks again averyone! You're the best!

DOS lives on!!
June 21st, 2012, 11:16 AM
Good for you! Now that it's all finished and working, you should make a video of the whole setup. And especially get the sounds of the hard drives when you issue a DIR command.:)

Doug G
June 21st, 2012, 11:51 AM
Ed noticed that there were some pretty sharp contacts on the board next to the controller, the 8/16 LAN adapter... So, Ed moved the controller over an additional slot and reconnected everything. Viola! Everything worked.I love it! You just brought back memories of cutting the cardboard back off legal tablets to make an instant temporary insulator between circuit boards, usually at midnight at some customer site. :)

bettablue
June 21st, 2012, 11:57 AM
Just for you DLO, I'll do a video to your specs listed here in this thread. But I'm going to be adding a small touch.

I bought a new in box Dataguard 5000 power supply and spike protector through E-Bay for only $10.00 including free shipping! It has 4 push button power switches up front, and 5 outlets in back. One of the outlets is a constant on. All of the others are controlled by their own switches. So now my left handed body can power on the entire system without having to reach all the way to the lower right rear of the portable desk just to boot the thing. Trust me, it aint pretty; especially with my expansion unit setting on the bottom of my portable desk.

In the video, I'll be booting up to DOS, and yeah, I'll do a directory command, but I really don't think it will make any more noise than normal, unless the drives are full. And I'm not planning on filling both drives right away. I will however be adding directories for DOS Diagnostics and tools, Productivity software, and of course, Games. Eventually though, I will have the drives full. I will say, that the boot process sounds awesome! The twin drives spinning up almost sound like turbines. Like modem7 mentioned; you would expect to experience a brownout as the drives get up to speed.

In the meantime, I still need a good example of the autoexec.bat or config.sys for loading the date and time from the AST Six-Pack plus card. Which file do I need to edit, and what lines do I need to add?

Look for updates, I'll be posting more as I make progress on the final touches.

Thanks again everbody!


Good for you! Now that it's all finished and working, you should make a video of the whole setup. And especially get the sounds of the hard drives when you issue a DIR command.:)

bettablue
June 21st, 2012, 12:00 PM
Interesting. I never heard of that before we ran into it here. Was this that big of an issue back "in the day"?


I love it! You just brought back memories of cutting the cardboard back off legal tablets to make an instant temporary insulator between circuit boards, usually at midnight at some customer site. :)

Chuck(G)
June 21st, 2012, 01:49 PM
Yes, it was an issue, particularly if the headers on the board were the type that stick straight up (perpendicular) to the board. Add a cable with strain relief stacked on and it's enough to push two boards together. Much better are those with the right-angle headers.

Back in the day when I was using a big Panasonic laser printer and a 20" Daisy Systems (Mitsiubishi) EGA monitor, I rigged a power strip with a relay that plugged into the monitor power socket on the PC. Did anyone ever make a commercial product like that--that would switch a heavy load using the PC BRS?

k2x4b524[
June 21st, 2012, 02:53 PM
Your not going to hear the control data drive, it just kinda ziff-ziff-ziff-ziffs when it moves the heads, it's really quiet, the only time you hear it is on boot up. where it sounds pretty weird. ziffffff-zifff-zifff-ziff-zif-zif-zif-zif-zff-ffff is pretty much what it does, after that, all quiet.


Good for you! Now that it's all finished and working, you should make a video of the whole setup. And especially get the sounds of the hard drives when you issue a DIR command.:)

MikeS
June 21st, 2012, 06:55 PM
... Did anyone ever make a commercial product like that--that would switch a heavy load using the PC BRS?Well, of course for light loads you just used an adapter and plugged a power bar into the auxiliary power socket (some ATX supplies even still had that connector).

Then there are power bars that automatically turn on power to the auxiliary sockets when they sense current being drawn on the main socket as the computer powers up (or turn on power to the computer etc. when you turn on the monitor); had to go on a service call once when a friend who thought she'd just bought an ordinary power bar plugged a lamp into the master socket and wondered why her computer only worked at night... ;-)

But the closest I've seen to what you're talking about is something called an ecopad by Pine which is an external box with its own AC plug and three receptacles (one for a monitor), controlled by opto-isolated solid state switches driven by the PC's 12V power via a reverse gender DA15HD connector and internal adapter cable to connect to certain PINE motherboards (or just the 12V line).

Waddya know; we've been here before:
http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum/showthread.php?19428-Younger-Members-with-new-vintage-computers-what-to-do-and-what-not-to-do&p=131048#post131048

Chuck(G)
June 21st, 2012, 08:13 PM
Hmm, I don't recall reading that one before. Some erroneous information, but it's too late to correct.

I suspect the same solution also exists for rackmount power strips--some of them can get to be pretty fancy.

RWallmow
June 21st, 2012, 08:51 PM
...I rigged a power strip with a relay that plugged into the monitor power socket on the PC. Did anyone ever make a commercial product like that--that would switch a heavy load using the PC BRS?
No idea on commercial product, but I built something very similar with a 12v triggered (off PSU 4pin molex), 120v 10amp relay which turns on a power strip, powering 21" CRT, florescent light, and speaker amp for my home made MAME arcade (http://wallmow.com/photos/index.php/Coin-Op-Toys/MAME-Arcade-Cabinet) machine.

RWallmow
June 21st, 2012, 08:55 PM
Believe it or not, Ed and I finally got it figured out....
Glad to hear you got it going. Persistence pays off :-)

Chuck(G)
June 21st, 2012, 09:05 PM
No idea on commercial product, but I built something very similar with a 12v triggered (off PSU 4pin molex), 120v 10amp relay which turns on a power strip, powering 21" CRT, florescent light, and speaker amp for my home made MAME arcade (http://wallmow.com/photos/index.php/Coin-Op-Toys/MAME-Arcade-Cabinet) machine.

I suspect that something very similar exists for rackmount power strips. Some of the rack PDUs can be very sophisticated indeed. There's a 54 inch power strip in one of my racks (has a cord that looks like it should screw onto a sillcock) with a jumpered socket connected to an internal relay. The interesting thing is that it has a built-in 1 second delay before the (female IEC) outlets come on.

bettablue
June 21st, 2012, 10:35 PM
Can someone point me to where I can either legally download Superpak 5.1 or greater please?

I've been working with Ed most of the day via email and phone. So far so good. I actually found the PDF file that contains the rest of the info I need to set the clock and calenday, and create the autoexec entries. I did notice that modem7s web site has PDF docs for the AST series, but there doesn't appear to be much more than clock software on his site for the same cards. Any way, now that we have the hard disks properly configured, we have started working on a few other things and want to get as much done as possible tomorrow before Ed has to button up the entire system. Alice will be brought back home Saturday Morning where we will try to fully test all of the hardware for proper functionality. In the meantime though, I still need a copy of the AST Superpak software. I will even accept a floppy disk image, as long as I can use it to set up my AST card properly.

Please feel free to send me a private message too. I'll be more than happy to provide an email address for further conversation.

Thanks again.

~ BB ~

modem7
June 22nd, 2012, 02:51 AM
Can someone point me to where I can either legally download Superpak 5.1 or greater please?

I did notice that modem7s web site has PDF docs for the AST series, but there doesn't appear to be much more than clock software on his site for the same cards.

In the meantime though, I still need a copy of the AST Superpak software.
Superpak is on my web site (provided by Lorne), including the manual for Superpak.
I don't know what version the software is though. The links are on the 'manuals' page.
"AST SixPakPlus - Long version - SuperPak"
"AST SixPakPlus - Long version - SuperPak User's Manual - July '83"

bettablue
June 22nd, 2012, 01:41 PM
Sweet. I was finally able to get the software I needed, but it wasn't actually on modem7's site. For some reason I still can't find the actual software for it there. However, I did locate it here:

http://ibm-pc.org/drivers/memory/memory.htm

This site has been referenced previously for other AST related wuestions, so I thought I'd pass it on. I'll try it out tomorrow and let y'all know how it works.
Thanks modem, Knowing me, I probably saw it ans somehow skimmed right over it.

bettablue
June 23rd, 2012, 09:36 AM
I was finally able to get the Superpak software version I needed, but it wasn't actually on modem7's site.
Update:
Thanks again everyone. I finally found the software. I guess my Alzheimer’s is getting Alzheimer’s! I got the software downloaded and stored on my Windows 7 computer. Alice is finally home again, but Ed only got the WD controller and Control Data disk drive installed.
That means that even though the system useable, I still do not have any way to get the software onto floppy disk so I can begin loading some stuff onto Alice’s “C” drive. My old Compaq is destroyed, and was taken apart in order to use the 5 ” floppy in another Tweener systems rebuild! This time we are using one of two Gateway towers that were given to me a short time ago especially for that purpose. The computer is running using an Intel P4 processor, 128 Megs of RAM, with 2 hard disks. The boot disk is a 10 Gig Western Digital, and the other is a 40 Gig Seagate drive. We will have plenty of storage for my entire collection of DOS software. Not only do we have enough storage capacity, but there is a lot of space inside the towers to move around a bit.
One thing we found about both of the Gateway computers I have is that neither will accept more than one floppy disk through the BIOS. We were going to simply add the 360Kb 5 ” DSDD floppy to one of them and continue rebuilding around that, but since there is no real choice but to have either the 3.5” floppy drive, or the 360K; that choice was made by the system.
As of right now too, none of my computers have a 9 pin serial port either, so I’m stuck with no way to bring anything over to the 5150 for installation onto its new hard disks.
My next project is to check out a few things. First, I want to verify that all of the hardware is installed and configured properly. From what Ed has told me, we are going to need to take one day a week to work on one item. Since the most important aspect of this restoration is to enable Alice to access data on other computers on my network, I want to start with the Intel 8/16 LAN adapter, then the modem.
For now, I am just happy to have my 5150 and 5161 system back home and on its own desk, where she belongs. And, the new power center is already making it easier to boot the system. I do not have to pretend that I’m some sort of contortionist just to flip a switch. Not a bad $10.00 investment.

As I stated before, if it were not for the expansion unit, my 5150 would have been complete, but NOOOoo; I had to have ambition to make it the best possible 5150 system out there, which means that I have to have the expansion unit installed. So I accept that challenge and make it my own. Its just going to take a bit more work.

I'll keep you all updated as more progress is made.

Stone
June 23rd, 2012, 10:01 AM
As of right now too, none of my computers have a 9 pin serial port either, so Im stuck with no way to bring anything over to the 5150 for installation onto its new hard disks.A 25 pin serial port will do just fine as there are adapters/cables around to convert one to the other.

bettablue
June 23rd, 2012, 11:30 AM
A 25 pin serial port will do just fine as there are adapters/cables around to convert one to the other.

I don't have ANY serial ports on any of the computers I currently have at home. The nearest is over at Ed's place. If I had a serial port, then connecting the PC to my Windows 7 computer would be simple. The only thing I have is being worked on as we speak. That's one of the two Gateway computers I was given last week. We'll be using the P4 and swapping out the original 3.5" floppy drive with my 360 Kb DSDD drive. We'll also be installing Windows 98SE with the Win98 Plus pack. This computer will be much more useful to me simply cecause there is room in the case to expand. Hell, there is enough room to add another 4 HDDs. It will already have a CD burner, a DVD burner the forementioned DDSD floppy drive, and 2 internal HDDs with a combined total og 80 Gigs of storage space.

When complete, I'll be able to use it as both a fintage gaming machine and as a Tweener so I can write more floppy diskettes for use with my IBM. Eventually, I'll have to spend the money and buy an XTIDE for my 5150 system. Then I'll be able to bring over more programs a lot easier, and more quickly that I can by using floppy disks.

I'll keep y'all informed on that little project too.

Wish me luck, cause here I go.

RWallmow
June 23rd, 2012, 11:49 AM
...Wish me luck, cause here I go.
Luck!!!

Stone
June 23rd, 2012, 02:34 PM
I I had a serial port, then connecting the PC to my Windows 7 computer would be simple.I have a cable that is USB on one end and parallel on the other. That's how I use my dot matrix printer with my Vista machine. I don't remember for sure but there's probably a USB to serial cable as well.

Chuck(G)
June 23rd, 2012, 03:30 PM
Yup, and they're cheap too (http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-2-0-to-9-pin-RS232-COM-Port-Serial-Adapter-Cable-/170854981492?pt=US_Parallel_Serial_PS_2_Cables_Ada pters&hash=item27c7c01f74).

bettablue
June 23rd, 2012, 04:14 PM
That's all well and good, but will that particular cable allow me to connect my 5150 to my Windows 7 computer? I was under the impression that I needed the Null Modem cable. I have one I purchased from modem7, but again, I didn't think I could simply use an adapter cable.

If that will work, I'll buy one on Monday. If not, well I guess I'll have to buy a serial port card for my Windows 7 computer.


Yup, and they're cheap too (http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-2-0-to-9-pin-RS232-COM-Port-Serial-Adapter-Cable-/170854981492?pt=US_Parallel_Serial_PS_2_Cables_Ada pters&hash=item27c7c01f74).

Chuck(G)
June 23rd, 2012, 04:49 PM
Null modem is just a wiring convention. One of my favorite ways to attack that is to use a 4-head Laplink serial cable. That way you can hook DE9-to-DE9, DB25-to-DB25 or DB25-to-DE9. There were also 6-head Laplink cables that included a parallel-port-crossover as well.

Doug G
June 23rd, 2012, 04:55 PM
If you get a usb-serial adapter, make sure you get one with windows 7 drivers. I got a cheap one off ebay and found it wasn't supported in W7.

modem7
June 23rd, 2012, 04:58 PM
That's all well and good, but will that particular cable allow me to connect my 5150 to my Windows 7 computer? I was under the impression that I needed the Null Modem cable. I have one I purchased from modem7, but again, I didn't think I could simply use an adapter cable.

If that will work, I'll buy one on Monday. If not, well I guess I'll have to buy a serial port card for my Windows 7 computer.
As Chuck wrote, "null modem cable" is a class of cable. It covers many different wiring configurations.
What you received from me is a specific type of cable - a Laplink serial cable (which can also be used for certain other software).

What is being implied is the use of two joined cables:
[USB]---[Serial][Serial]---serial_laplink_cable-----[serial]

Using the procedure at http://www.minuszerodegrees.net/transfer/laplink3.htm , I have not been able to get the procedure to work when a 'USB to Serial' cable is employed as above.
Using the Laplink serial cable alone to connect to a 'proper' serial port on my Windows 7 computer works.

Stone
June 23rd, 2012, 05:28 PM
If not, well I guess I'll have to buy a serial port card for my Windows 7 computer.I don't know why you are stuck on serial ports when parallel port connections are many times faster and I know your PC has a parallel port.

bettablue
June 23rd, 2012, 05:36 PM
Actually, no it doesn't. My Windows 7 PC has 6 USB ports in back, 2 on very top of the case up front, and one behind the "door" panel, on the front of the case that hides both optical drives, my card reader and 2 120 mm intake fans. Sorry, but there are no parallel ports, no serial ports. Only the USB and 2 Firewire connections that I have never touched. I'll actually have to contact Gigabyte to see if they have the parallel and serial port cards.

But, to be more realistic, I think the best option would be to get a 9 pin serial port PCIE express card. I doubt that I would find the ports through Gigabyte since they haven't made this particular board since I purchased it in 2010.


I don't know why you are stuck on serial ports when parallel port connections are many times faster and I know your PC has a parallel port.

Stone
June 23rd, 2012, 05:48 PM
FWIW, a PC is a... 5150. That's the machine I said has a parallel port.

And, any PCI parallel or serial port will work in the WIN 7 box.

Chuck(G)
June 23rd, 2012, 06:09 PM
Well okay--one of the issues with a serial-USB cable that confuses older software is that there is a considerable amount of buffering in the process (can be several hundred characters). If you're using software that expects the link to turn around on a dime, you're going to have problems.

When I'm sending data from a slow device, such as a PC XT, I simply set up a terminal session on my newer computer and grab everything that comes over. There's more than enough speed to do this even at the fastest rates.

When going the other way, I do the same, but slow things way down to allow the PC to collect the data.

Someone (not me) should perhaps throw some BASIC together on both ends to formalize the process. There's really no reason that this won't work.

modem7
June 23rd, 2012, 06:38 PM
I'll actually have to contact Gigabyte to see if they have the parallel and serial port cards. But, to be more realistic, I think the best option would be to get a 9 pin serial port PCIE express card. I doubt that I would find the ports through Gigabyte since they haven't made this particular board since I purchased it in 2010.
The Gigabyte motherboard in my Win7 box had a serial header on it, and so all I needed to do was purchase the header-to-bracket bit.
Example: eBay item 150765710956

bettablue
June 24th, 2012, 04:35 PM
Thanks. I just looked through my motherboard manual and found the section for adding both the serial and parallel port. The cost is prett good for the serial port cable, so I'm going to look for the parallel port header cable too. Personally, I would love to use the parallel port to connect my Win 7 machine to the 5150, but I'm more interested in using it to connect my 100 Meg Zip drive. If I can get the system to properly format the zip disks, I can use it to transfer a lot more programming a lot easier than by using standard floppy disk.

At least, that's my plan.




The Gigabyte motherboard in my Win7 box had a serial header on it, and so all I needed to do was purchase the header-to-bracket bit.
Example: eBay item 150765710956

bettablue
June 24th, 2012, 05:34 PM
Hi modem:

Actually, with a little bit of luck, I'll be ordering the serial port header cable through E-Bay, as well as a parellel port header cable. If the serial cable port header does what it's supposed to do, I'll be using the null modem cable I got from you, and I'll be using laplink 3 to access the files on my shard drive. (If you remember, back about a year ago, I got both the cable and laplink3 from you.)



As Chuck wrote, "null modem cable" is a class of cable. It covers many different wiring configurations.
What you received from me is a specific type of cable - a Laplink serial cable (which can also be used for certain other software).

What is being implied is the use of two joined cables:
[USB]---[Serial][Serial]---serial_laplink_cable-----[serial]

Using the procedure at http://www.minuszerodegrees.net/transfer/laplink3.htm , I have not been able to get the procedure to work when a 'USB to Serial' cable is employed as above.
Using the Laplink serial cable alone to connect to a 'proper' serial port on my Windows 7 computer works.

SpidersWeb
June 24th, 2012, 06:10 PM
Try FastLynx 2, same features, nicer interface.

bettablue
June 25th, 2012, 07:35 PM
Well, I'm home again. I have some good news and some not so good news. First off, the health issues I have been experiencing are NOT due to my liver! In fact, my lover is in better than perfect shape! Nope, the issue is in my heart. So I'll be seeing a cardiologist next week.

Now to get back on topic. I was able to fire up my 5150 system booted. I'm actually surprised at how quiet it is with both drives installed. Even the Miniscribe seems to have been dampened. DOS is installed as well as the rest of the hardware. Ed was able to install DOS 3.3 and all of it's dependant programs into it's own DOS directory. Now we can start working on the last few pieces; all of which are installed into the expansion unit. First is the Intel 8/16 LAN adapter, followed by the 3Com modem. At that point, I think everything will be complete.

Spiders Web, didn't you have something on the LAN adapter? That is the next piece we want to get working. Then I'll pull the modem and try to follow the instructions for configuring and installing it so it will be ready for whatever program I get set up for it.

Thanks everyone. It's been a long road getting here, both with my health issues, and with my 5150.



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bettablue
June 27th, 2012, 11:33 AM
We attempted to get the new tweener up and running today, but the computer we had isn't compatible with Windows 98. Ed, my friend has no real concept of what a "tweener" is. So, we're back to where we were with the two Gateway towers. The P2 system seems like it will be more compatible with everything I want from running Windows 98, an internal 100 Meg Zip drive, CD/DVD burner, and USB support. The computer we were working on today is just too new. The socket 775 Mobo and P4 3.2 Gig pricessor with 512 Megs of RAM is fantastic, but not for a tweener. There are just too many backwards compatibility issues with the system's hardware, like the VGA video, USB drivers, and even the sound card. So, a couple more days and we'll have the Gateway up and running. So, in the meantime, we have to wait to bring over some of the programs and configuration tools I need to run on my 5150. Yeah, it's disapointing. But at least I'm home to do this stuff.

Hopefully, we'll have the "new" tweener up and running by the weekend. I have a stack of zip disks, a bunch of floppies, and plenty of time, so... I'll be ready.

I'll keep you all posted.

SpidersWeb
June 27th, 2012, 01:05 PM
Glad to hear your back home. If you were closer I'd send you a tweener, I've collected too many of the things :/

For the modem, you will just need to set the jumpers and pop her in.

LAN adaptor, I couldn't find a driver that said "Intel 8/16" but I have seen people refer to this also as an old non-PnP Intel EtherExpress, so I'd try the Intel EtherExpress 16 driver - which I did find in the MS LanMan install (and I can copy/send if needed). I don't have a matching card here to test it with, so can't gurantee anything, but that'd be the first thing I'd toy with (on boot floppies).

bettablue
June 27th, 2012, 03:21 PM
Heya Spidey! Yeah, I home again. I have to go to my cardiologist on Monday to see what the next steps in my treatment are. The thing that worries me is that something might happen and my computer isn't finished. This has become my top priority; to finish this system.

Spidey; didn't you say that you had the exact same Intel8/16 LAN adapter on your workbench a little while ago? Were you ever able to get it to work properly with your PC or XT? How did that go? And what can you tell me about the install? I guess the other part to that is setting up the communications stack. I read all of MBruttman's info on the TCPIP stack, I'm now more confused than ever. Remember, I'm not, nor have I ever been a computer technician before Windows 95. So I have never manually configured things in DOS prior to getting my own 5150, (the one I'm working on now with the expansion unit) Everything I knew before getting my 5150 I learned by working on my own computers, so I never had the chance to get into the PC that only ran DOS. All of the hardware I have ever installed, came with an install disk, or autoinstalled i.e. plug-and-play. So really, this is all entirely new to me.

Some good news; I think I may have the modem figured out. Ole Juul gave me some pretty good instructions on getting it configured. I haven't been able to test it yet though. But, when I boot the computer, I don't get any errors. I just wish I had the same thing for the LAN adapter. I'm not stupid. But working on some of these configurations makes me wonder about my intelligence. Maybe I'm trying the wrong peice of hardware. Maybe I should be looking at a different LAN adapter; one that's easier to configure and get to operate. If anyone has any suggestions, please let me know.


Glad to hear your back home. If you were closer I'd send you a tweener, I've collected too many of the things :/

For the modem, you will just need to set the jumpers and pop her in.

LAN adaptor, I couldn't find a driver that said "Intel 8/16" but I have seen people refer to this also as an old non-PnP Intel EtherExpress, so I'd try the Intel EtherExpress 16 driver - which I did find in the MS LanMan install (and I can copy/send if needed). I don't have a matching card here to test it with, so can't gurantee anything, but that'd be the first thing I'd toy with (on boot floppies).

SpidersWeb
June 27th, 2012, 05:53 PM
You should get your signature etched in to the inside of the case ;)
Fingers crossed for you.

Unfortunately I've never had an intel 8/16, since I restarted my collection I've been purely using 3Com Etherlink III and D-Link DE220 cards - and I've left my 5150 and 5160 network free. I may have offered to try out some cards in the PC or XT, but not the Intel specifically.

Just did some google imagery - found two cards that looked identical, 8/16 and an Etherexpress16 - so possibly Intel just renamed the card (and made newer revisions later). Made me more confident about the driver recommendation anyway - just cross fingers the packet driver is 8088 compatible.

Is it jumpered or plug'n play? (sorry I can't remember).

bettablue
June 27th, 2012, 07:11 PM
The LAN adapter in question is jumpered. I don't think there was ever such a thing as plug-and -play in DOS. Everything had to be configured manually. I do happen to have a 3Com 8 bit LAN adapter too. Do you think I should try installing that intstead? Of course, I'll still need the configurations for it.


You should get your signature etched in to the inside of the case ;)
Fingers crossed for you.

Unfortunately I've never had an intel 8/16, since I restarted my collection I've been purely using 3Com Etherlink III and D-Link DE220 cards - and I've left my 5150 and 5160 network free. I may have offered to try out some cards in the PC or XT, but not the Intel specifically.

Just did some google imagery - found two cards that looked identical, 8/16 and an Etherexpress16 - so possibly Intel just renamed the card (and made newer revisions later). Made me more confident about the driver recommendation anyway - just cross fingers the packet driver is 8088 compatible.

Is it jumpered or plug'n play? (sorry I can't remember).

SpidersWeb
June 27th, 2012, 07:54 PM
What model is the 3Com?

bettablue
June 28th, 2012, 08:20 PM
What model is the 3Com?

Sadly, I think I have to kill my wife. She went and "cleaned" my work room and threw out a bunch of my vintage ISA cards, including the 3com LAN adapter. When I told her about it, whe was duly apologetic, and promised to never touch my computer stuff ever again. So with this news, I guess I'll have to try to get my Intel adapter working. Cause, I have absolutely no income right now, and don't expect there to be any for up to about at least another couple of months.

Aaaarrrrggghhh! I wish someone from this group who knows these systems well, were coming down to Vegas for a few days. Vegas it a hot travel spot... I guess I'll keep wishing.