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TN-048
January 3rd, 2013, 06:34 AM
My 486 system is a Compaq prosignia vs with a 486dx2/66, 96 megs of ram, and 1gb SCSI drive on a Adaptec 1540cp isa card. Right now it runs FreeBSD 3.3, but I'd like to get back to something more traditional (like sysV). Does anyone know where I could come up with disks or images that would play nicely with my config?

Thanks -- TN-048

scott-k
January 3rd, 2013, 07:31 AM
I'm building a similar box, only with an IDE drive, and a whole lot less memory... Xenix, PC-IX (Interactive), AT&T SVR4, or MicroPort should work nicely. I'll send you a PM with some additional info

TN-048
January 3rd, 2013, 08:18 AM
Do you plan on having networking networking? I have a 3c509 but I have no idea if it'll work with svr4 (which is the one I want to use). Any ideas?

scott-k
January 3rd, 2013, 08:28 AM
Actually, I think I've got the same NIC - Etherlink III 3C509B... I haven't tried it yet, but I suspect it will work in AT&T

gepooljr
January 3rd, 2013, 09:00 AM
My news years resolution is to get my 468/133 with SCO Unix 3.2 v4.2 off the floor and on the home network by Friday :). Personally, either SCO or ISC (Interactive) 4.11 is a great choice. The only problem with the SysV Unices is making sure you have all the packages. Base packaging didn't include networking/development/etc. A work around solution is to hook up UUCP with a Serial to Ethernet connection of some type.

Geoff

Chuck(G)
January 3rd, 2013, 09:33 AM
FWIW, earlier NetBSD releases trend pretty close to the BSD 4.3+ releases and are a lot easier to get drivers for. I felt right at home on a a NetBSD 3.x distro.

TN-048
January 3rd, 2013, 11:14 AM
Actually, I think I've got the same NIC... -- Yeah that is exactly my nic.
I will try out NetBSD if I can't get any of the more "classic" Unices working.

I got home for a while to try AT&T SVR4, just to find that it doesn't like my scsi card. I'll be trying microport SysV when I get home from work.

Caluser2000
January 3rd, 2013, 11:36 AM
My news years resolution is to get my 468/133 with SCO Unix 3.2 v4.2 off the floor and on the home network by Friday :).
GeoffIt is Friday ;)

barythrin
January 3rd, 2013, 11:44 AM
lmao.. darn time travelers. I'm pretty sure as long as it has support for an NE2000 NIC you'll be fine. 3com was a pretty good standard back then, I'm just not sure about the age of the card vs OS or if it'd be expecting a token ring or arcnet or something. But certainly nothing wrong with giving it a go and finding out the fun way. You could also possibly get a result under an emulator if it uses an older nic emulation. I think the older (pre microsoft) Connectix VirtualPC used a 3com or ne2000 driver if I'm not mistaken.

Ole Juul
January 3rd, 2013, 11:48 AM
There's lots of SCO, Xenix, and other images on the net. WinWorld has many, but there are probably other sources.

TN-048
January 3rd, 2013, 06:32 PM
Ok, so far I've tried the following:

AT&T SVR4 Version 2.1 -- Complains about no HD and fails out
Microport UNIX System V/3.2.2 -- Doesn't even start to load the floppy
SCO XENIX 386 v2.3.4 -- Hangs on hardware detection
SCO Unix System V 4.2 -- Can't get to boot at all? (I couldn't get any of the floppy images to boot on this one)
SunOS 4.01 -- Screen flashes like crazy, nothing else -- Actually no wonder this didn't work, it's for SPARC processors *d'oh*
PCIX Interactive Unix -- Won't boot from floppy

I've got a download for SCO OpenServer going, it's just taking a long time. I'll give that a spin later. If that doesn't work, looks like I'll be checking out NetBSD.

Caluser2000
January 4th, 2013, 01:34 PM
Coherent could be an option as well. I found this review of version 4.0- http://seann.herdejurgen.com/resume/samag.com/html/v01/i04/a6.htm

Wikipedia has a link to 4.2.10 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coherent_%28operating_system%29

TN-048
January 4th, 2013, 05:53 PM
I'm starting to think nothing but FreeBSD will run on this thing.
SCO OpenServer ran, but failed on finding the install cd in the drive.
Coherent ran, but locked up when attempting to install the bootloader.
NetBSD 3.1 starts, but freezes with an error about a failed probe on the scsi card.
It seems that everything just HATES my controller...

Any ideas?

Caluser2000
January 4th, 2013, 06:39 PM
Tried Linux? ;)

SquallStrife
January 4th, 2013, 06:47 PM
I'm looking at an old copy of Slackware Linux here, version 3.5 with Linux kernel 2.0.34.

There are boot disks for Adaptec cards:

aha2x4x
aha152x
aha1542
aha1740

And if I recall correctly, the 1542 driver supports a bunch of variants despite what the name suggests.

Caluser2000
January 4th, 2013, 07:01 PM
Here's some old versions of slackware- ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/

Just reading the Red Hat 6.0 installation manual and the install routine should ask if you have a scsi hdd, same goes for RH 5.2

Here's link to RH 6.2 iso ftp://archive.download.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/6.2/en/iso/i386/
I've installed it and on a few 486 class machines just using the text installer. Just make sure it's running as little services as possible. It and 7.0 had a bad flaw in the ftp service iirc. Got my original copy from Aussie computer mag cover CD set which included BeOS 5.0 PE and OS/2 v4 Warp.

For some thing a bit more resent Deli Linux looks like it will install on a scsi drive http://deli.tavvva.net/wiki/doku.php?id=deli:installation:cdrom

http://delicate-linux.net/

TN-048
January 4th, 2013, 07:54 PM
No no no no, not on this box. I have plenty of Linux boxen, this one is supposed to be as close to "old school" unix as possible.
Really I should be content with FreeBSD: It is quite similar to old unix, plays nice with all my hardware, is fast, etc.

FYI: If anyone has a 3c509 that locks up the system when you attempt to make any network connections, get a utility called 3c5x9cfg.exe and a DOS disk and just open and resave the configuration to the card. It cleared up all the troubles I was having.

PS: Slackware? Redhat? pff, Arch Linux is the way to go!! :D

Caluser2000
January 4th, 2013, 08:06 PM
Hey, at least you gave it a good go. CLI only or do you dabble with X Windows on it as well?

TN-048
January 4th, 2013, 08:25 PM
CLI mainly, though I have put a half hearted attempt to get X running. It doesn't really work right now (it does, but refuses to get out of a terrible resolution). I'll still be trying whatever I come across, but just for the sake of having it functional, I'll keep a hd with FreeBSD around.

Chuck(G)
January 5th, 2013, 12:07 AM
I
aha2x4x
aha152x
aha1542
aha1740
And if I recall correctly, the 1542 driver supports a bunch of variants despite what the name suggests.

AHA1542 - ISA controller with floppy support. AHA1540 - ISA controller with no floppy support. That's it. The 1540 was about as close to a a standard floppy controller in the ISA world as you could get. RH/NetBSD should certainly install on one. Heck, I've installed RH on a 486 with a AHA2840 VLB SCSI controller. Given the weirdness of VLB, that's pretty remarkable.

TN-048
January 5th, 2013, 04:32 AM
AHA1542 - ISA controller with floppy support. AHA1540 - ISA controller with no floppy support. That's it. The 1540 was about as close to a a standard floppy controller in the ISA world as you could get. RH/NetBSD should certainly install on one. Heck, I've installed RH on a 486 with a AHA2840 VLB SCSI controller. Given the weirdness of VLB, that's pretty remarkable.

Mine is a 1542CP, but NetBSD gave me an "probe: aha0 error" and then just stopped booting. As far as RH goes, I'm not surprised. You can install linux on a toaster!

Chuck(G)
January 5th, 2013, 09:50 AM
The 1540x came in various flavors (I still have an old 1540 in a full-length card with the 8085 CPU on it quite prominent. It works just fine). There shouldn't be a lot of difference software-wise between 1540 models. Can you boot OS/2 on it?

TN-048
January 5th, 2013, 11:44 AM
I've not tried, but I could. I'll have to dig up those disks though. Would warp 4 work or should I look for something older? My card has a z80 cpu on it, would that make a difference?

Caluser2000
January 5th, 2013, 12:42 PM
http://www.os2.org.nz/topics/installingos2.htm Warp v4 should install ok. v3 Connect would be quicker booting up though and using Workplace Shell in general. The nic should be fine but video card drivers may be an issue. v3 and v4 can use the scitech display drivers with later fixpacks though.

TN-048
January 5th, 2013, 08:04 PM
I'll be trying out OS/2 sometime tomorrow. Not a permanent solution though, I'm deadset on *NIX :D .
I spent a little time getting X to run on this thing and here's how it turned out: 11518

It actually runs decently fast, but not enough to use it full time. FreeBSD seems to support every bit of my hardware flawlessly.

Caluser2000
January 5th, 2013, 08:55 PM
Cool. Good work.
Must give it a shot some time. Mind you I've had good luck with linux so far -touch wood. Just been spending the last few hours tidying up a few hdds with Dos and rearranging my OS collection.

barythrin
January 7th, 2013, 10:00 AM
The BSD platforms were always a good combination of run on all hardware, and freebsd worked on getting all the software they could running so it was a personal favorite of mine. I'm surprised about RedHat running on a 486. I coulda sworn I had a v5.x that wouldn't install because it required a Pentium or higher but I could be off on my version or perhaps I was tinkering with a 386 although I'm fairly confident at the time it was a 486. I ended up finding very few linux distros that ran on a 486 anymore in the late 90s.

Caluser2000
January 7th, 2013, 06:59 PM
I've had RH 5.2,6.0, 6.2 and Mandrake 6.x running on a 486

TN-048
January 8th, 2013, 06:22 AM
I ran a xwoaf floppy on my 486 and it had a 2.4.x kernel.

Also, cool to see someone else who uses window maker!

Caluser2000
January 8th, 2013, 08:26 AM
It's my fav. window manager. The screen shots a few years old now. Quite simple to setup. The 2 gig hard drive that it was on fitted in a Presario CDS 524 all-in-one fell over. I'm in the process of resurrecting it, along with some other 486 related projects.

jonnymacuser
January 15th, 2013, 12:24 PM
My 486 system is a Compaq prosignia vs with a 486dx2/66, 96 megs of ram, and 1gb SCSI drive on a Adaptec 1540cp isa card. Right now it runs FreeBSD 3.3, but I'd like to get back to something more traditional (like sysV). Does anyone know where I could come up with disks or images that would play nicely with my config?

Thanks -- TN-048

I'm a happy user of Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 (a.k.a. Potato) on my 486.

http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/

kokoboi
February 18th, 2013, 02:26 PM
With this scsi adapter, you could try to install DELL UNIX or DG/UX.

TN-048
February 20th, 2013, 06:18 PM
Weird, I've never heard of either of those before. It certainly seems like Dell Unix should play very nicely with my system, if I can get it installed (no tape drive..). It seems that DG/UX never ran on x86 hardware, but I could be wrong. Thanks for the new info!

Echoes
March 5th, 2013, 02:08 AM
SCO XENIX 386 v2.3.4 -- Hangs on hardware detection

At this point?
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