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Chris2005
June 24th, 2006, 08:15 AM
yeah the 3rd Epay related post today, and I am not affiliated with the sellers in any way shape or form. Check this one out though (arguably vintage) but read the comments at the bottom. Starange...

http://cgi.ebay.com/Victor-Technologies-antique-laptop-computer_W0QQitemZ270000417121QQihZ017QQcategoryZ1 77QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Vlad
June 24th, 2006, 09:53 AM
Wow, strange indeed.....

-VK

Terry Yager
June 24th, 2006, 10:12 AM
Do you mean the Nigerian scammer? Ya see that all the time on daBay.

--T

Vlad
June 24th, 2006, 10:33 AM
When I was at ebay (which was years ago) I never saw that happen. When did that start??

-VK

Terry Yager
June 24th, 2006, 12:53 PM
I dunno, it's been goin' on for a while. I dunno if anyone is ever dumb enough to fall for it, but they still keep tryin'...

--T

Terry Yager
June 24th, 2006, 04:55 PM
Well, I was gonna show ya a really choice example from today's listings, but after I reported the fraud to eBay, the listing has been removed...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200001277715&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:2

The seller was offering a lot of 10 1.8GHz laptops for around $550.00, BIN (shipped from RedChina). Thought it sounded too good to be true, and apparently, eBay's investigators did too.

--T

atari2600a
June 24th, 2006, 05:05 PM
$550 on Buy it Now!?

Terry Yager
June 24th, 2006, 05:11 PM
$550 on Buy it Now!?

Yeah, any one of those laptops (Panasonic ToughBook) would have been worth $550.00, which got my curiousity up, so I checked the feedback ratings. Seller had a total of ten feedback, all positive, all dated today, (it was a one-day auction, BTW) and all fishey-looking (five were from the same 'seller'). Anyways, I didn't like the way it smelled, so I narc-ed on 'em...

--T

Vlad
June 24th, 2006, 05:45 PM
That's a shame, I love my ToughBook. You don't even need a case, its it's own case.....

-VK

atari2600a
June 24th, 2006, 05:54 PM
Did a Google Images search, looks kewl. For me though, I like teh small laptops. the smaller the better!

Vlad
June 24th, 2006, 05:56 PM
ToughBooks come in all sizes from the small ones to regular sized ones. Mine is a tiny one, but it has a touch screen monitor. ^_^ Its awesome.

Model CF-M34 if you want to find a pic of it.....

-VK

atari2600a
June 24th, 2006, 06:03 PM
http://www.simpaticotech.it/img/upload/195757.jpg

^^^^Totally Awsome!!!!^^^^

Sadly though, my only laptop is an old Pentium Fugitsu Livebook 735DX, with a battery that only lasts 1-1.5 hours...

Terry Yager
June 24th, 2006, 06:18 PM
ToughBooks come in all sizes from the small ones to regular sized ones. Mine is a tiny one, but it has a touch screen monitor. ^_^ Its awesome.

Model CF-M34 if you want to find a pic of it.....

-VK

They were (alledgedly) full-size, with touch-screens, 256Mb RAM, & 30Gb hard drives. I'm trying to rem'br the model, and CF-42 sounds about right, IIRC.

--T

Chris2005
June 26th, 2006, 03:26 PM
y'all...the guy isn't looking for any money though. Are you sure it's a scam? Maybe the guy just wants to replace his old worn out Victor. There are people that insist on having the same equipment to work with. Far fetched...yeah, but what could the guy possibly gain? He's the one offering the moola.

carlsson
June 26th, 2006, 03:37 PM
Well, in that case put a ridiculously high bid and wait for the auction to finish. I'm not sure what the policy is for premature ending of auctions, but I'm sure it could be solved if required. Not that you are better protected from scammers only because they put a bid through eBay instead of dealing on the side. Most likely the buyer would offer some form of escrow service that evaporates as soon as the package is picked up. I've read stories like that before, someone who smelled a scammer and made a fake laptop out of a decorated folder and some other nonsense paper weight, and then took great measures to track down the "buyer", down to taking pictures of the person.

Terry Yager
June 26th, 2006, 03:53 PM
The scam is that they try to talk you into shipping the laptop first, by sending a fake E-money order, or even a real one, which is then cancelled as soon as they receive tracking info for the shipment. Usually, the scam is to offer to send a lot more money than the item is worth, after which, they try to get the seller to send the 'excess' cash to a third party (my daughter in London, etc). Must work sometimes, or there wouldn't be so many people trying it. Oh yeah, PayPal does not even service Nigeria, and several other west African countries that are notorious origins for frauds of the type. Check this link for several variants of the 'Nigerian Scam':

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_scam

--T

Terry Yager
June 26th, 2006, 04:05 PM
Fake laptops...I've been tempted to send some of those scammers a box full of bricks or sum'n heavy, so that they not only don't gain anything, but have to pay some gigantic shipping fee for thier trouble. I mean, what are they gonna do, turn you in?

--T

dongfeng
June 26th, 2006, 04:09 PM
I got hit by a load of scams when I sold my Compaq Armada M300 laptop on eBay. Scammer bid at the last minute and sent me a fake PayPal payment email (300 on a 200 laptop), and then instructed me to send my laptop to some bus stop in Nigeria!

Ended up selling it through my workplace's Intranet instead :)

Chris2005
June 26th, 2006, 04:12 PM
right, but what would the person have to gain by getting them to ship a 386 laptop? Maybe I'm missing something...

Terry Yager
June 26th, 2006, 04:27 PM
right, but what would the person have to gain by getting them to ship a 386 laptop? Maybe I'm missing something...

That's when they spring the 'extra money' proposal on the seller. They send a fake payment of some kind, for considerably more than the sale price, with instructions to send the rest of the money to someone. It's a bit of social engineering to convince the seller to forward the money by complaining about banking restrictions, extra banking costs, taxes, duties, etc, in thier own country.
(The scammer in this case ain't even very good at it, I've seen a lot better).

--T

carlsson
June 26th, 2006, 04:48 PM
One wonders why the scammer doesn't contact the seller privately, but asks a public question?

In this case, the recipient may also not be clued in what he is trying to get. A laptop is a laptop is a laptop, and laptops sell for good money.. right?

Terry Yager
June 26th, 2006, 05:09 PM
It is up to the recipient of the question whether to post it on the auction page, or keep it private. The seller posted it, probably to discourage similar offers from other scammers.

--T

Terry Yager
June 26th, 2006, 06:19 PM
Speaking of fraud, I recieved sum'n very interesting in my snailmail a couple of weeks ago. It was a bill from FedEx, addressed to 'Opex Communications', at my home address. The bill was for shipping from various US addresses to a location in Lagos, Nigeria. It was over $500.00 that someone has scammed from FedEx (that should make a few folks here happy). I googled it, out of curiousity, and there really is a 'Opex Communications' based in Chicago. I emailed them to warn them about the scam, but I haven't heard anything back from them yet.

--T

Terry Yager
June 27th, 2006, 09:35 AM
Yet another Social Engineering example. Note the message:

http://cgi.ebay.com/wizard-pen_W0QQitemZ103001430818QQihZ013QQcategoryZ39980Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

--T

carlsson
June 27th, 2006, 07:29 PM
Oh yes, a couple of years ago I had an Indonesian gentleman who emailed me about buying mobile phones from my (non-existing) web shop. When I looked up on internet that the exact same Sony Ericsson models he requested were indeed cheaper in Indonesia than in Sweden, and I assured him I could not make a good offer on a laptop neither, he disappeared. Not sure if it was a full-fledged scammer or just a newbie, as he appeared under different email names.