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CP/M User
July 24th, 2006, 11:39 PM
Geepers you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out
the world has been altered on a grand scale - but you guessed
it - humans.

Now it's some travel betty which has to give an history
lesson. Okay, so lets talk about what Capt Cook saw on his
voyage to Oz. in 1784 - he did see some island his way though
the Pacific Region (heck can't remember which Island it was in
particular) & he probably did describe it as a paradise - what
they didn't say was the landscape was entirely different due
to the large removal of vegetation communities which were
there - to bleeding English Garden. No chance that was at all
like this in 1784 - today it's just another colony which
mother country landscaped. Cook for one thing was perhaps
passionate about this region - however others weren't and in
the end got their way - while Cook died tragically, so it's
perhaps fair to say that many people are making him somebody
he isn't - just like Ned Kelly.

What beats me is what happened to their botanist - Joseph
Banks - which had the Banksia named after him.

I'm not critising all explorers, but it just seems to be the
idea of exploring is to go to different places & see different
things - not to bring a few weeds over & make a new place
something which it isn't. Doesn't set a great example as
people go to different places - just goes to show that human
society was exploring earlier than what it was - or so I
think.

CP/M User.

Chris2005
July 25th, 2006, 02:37 PM
"Geepers you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out
the world has been altered on a grand scale - but you guessed
it - humans."

I'm not so sure about that. I'm doing something lately which I rarely ever do - watching the tele, namely the history channel. I'm inclined to say nature itself has altered the landscape FAR more then we ever have. Tsunamis, Volcanos, huge asteroids. What has man done in comparison to some of the more violent cases of those? Some say the worst is yet to come...

"while Cook died tragically, so it's
perhaps fair to say that many people are making him somebody
he isn't - just like Ned Kelly."

I'd say there's a bit of bleeding heart in all of us ;). But Ned Kelly was a ruthless murderer. Why he's something of a cultural icon in Aussie-territory I'll probably never understand.

"I'm not critising all explorers, but it just seems to be the
idea of exploring is to go to different places & see different
things - not to bring a few weeds over & make a new place
something which it isn't. Doesn't set a great example as
people go to different places - just goes to show that human
society was exploring earlier than what it was - or so I
think."

I'm not going to pretend to know alot about colonization of Australia, but I do know a little. Some of the men who took part in it were decent human beings. That period of colonization wasn't always marked by eh compassion, yet sometimes it did have a positive effect on the people's involved (though we could probably altogether exclude the Aussie aboriginals from that category). I think that alot of what was done to the landscape was done unintentionally and in ignorance. Despite the ruggedness of the terrain, it's kind of fragile, if you will. I have to wonder if there was in any way a similar effect upon the north American continent when the Europeans settled it. Don't think too many animals were carried over, but I could be wrong.

Terry Yager
July 25th, 2006, 03:29 PM
How can anyone defame Ned Kelly's good name? He waz like, the Aussie version of Jesse James (or waz it Robin Hood?... ummn, ...Poncho Villa??)!???

--T

Chris2005
July 25th, 2006, 03:31 PM
none of those guys killed/maimed for the fun of it (I don't think). Robin Hood aka Robert of Locksley was a fictional character though. I wonder if Sir Walter Scott based him on anything real. Zorro for instance was based on a bandit character, and he wasn't nice either.

Terry Yager
July 25th, 2006, 03:35 PM
Oh, so he waz more like Jeffery Dahmer then...?

--T

Chris2005
July 25th, 2006, 03:42 PM
he kind of fit into the same category as the others, loosely, I'm not sure he actually gave anything to the "poor", but he was just extremely nasty. As cp/m said, he's made out to be something he wasn't. This is all according to Bill Bryson's book "In a Sunburned Country".

CP/M User
July 25th, 2006, 08:26 PM
Bzzt, nope you've gone off onto a different tangent. Yes, the
planet has change & natural event occur which have large
impact on the planet.

But when it's some travel betty offshore from some island
describing what Cpt. Cook saw in 1784 - it's incorrect. I was
referning to the Vegetation which early settlers brought with
them. When it comes to Fauna/Fauna - humans have a lot to
answer for & I can reassure you it was no Tsunamis or Volcano
which introduced European planets (which could have been
essentually picked up on other exorations - to a degree they
not necessarily be). Sure natural plants in Australia have
came to be from the early human communities & their emphasis
on things like Fire, however conservation practices &
conditions in this part of the world have shown species are
quite suitable & are favourable. It's true though, when times
have changed flora & fauna do change.

But just getting back to my rant, it just shows you how blind
modern society want to be when they misuse history & describe
a landscape which would have been much different 222 years
ago.

In the 218 years since European Settlement - Australia's
natural landscape is a high fragmentation of what it once was
- due to Exotic species & Foreign Fauna.

BTW, I thought Robin Hood was for real - Ned Kelly has been
described as a Hero, what fool do the media think I am? Ned
Kelly was for sure no Robin Hood, just one of your everyday
bushrangers which had a battle with the authorities. The media
try to describe Ned Kelly as some sort of hero & the Cops as
some sort of vigalante group.

I used this comparision because they send the same message &
have people accept what they say - it's all Bull Dust.

CP/M User.

Chris2005
August 10th, 2006, 12:37 PM
"BTW, I thought Robin Hood was for real..."

Possibly based on someone _real_, but the character is from the book Ivanhoe. Zorro is said to be based on some dude named Muriello, but he wasn't a nice man _at_all_.

Terry Yager
August 10th, 2006, 01:12 PM
American 'folk heroes' like Jesse James & Billy The Kid were actually pretty bloodthirsty as well. Most of my personal heroes from around that time have names like 'Crazy Horse', 'Sitting Bull', etc.

--T

carlsson
August 10th, 2006, 03:21 PM
In the 19th (?) century, we had Crazy Horse. In the late 20th century, we had Mad Cow.

Chris2005
August 11th, 2006, 12:45 PM
"American 'folk heroes' like Jesse James & Billy The Kid were actually pretty bloodthirsty as well. "

True true true.