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evildragon
September 24th, 2013, 04:37 PM
I'm done with MS-DOS, I want something nice, for example, I'd like to see a CP/M style DIR response like how DR-DOS does it, and well, DR-DOS seems to be better.

Which DR-DOS should I use though? I want a Digital Research version, not the other ones, and I would need it easy to install without wiping my 2GB internal drive (maybe even sys C: to test it). Oh, and yea, needs to support FAT16 and 2GB volumes. ;)

Which version should I use? I do use Windows 3.0, which if I remember there was some compatibility problems.. Doesn't need to be the latest, I just want the best, for the computer in the signature.

A DIR like this: http://osxbook.com/book/bonus/ancient/vpc/images/opendos.gif

vwestlife
September 24th, 2013, 05:10 PM
Try PC DOS 2000. It takes up less RAM than MS-DOS 6.x, which is great on an XT with only 640K to work with.

I tried OpenDOS / DR-DOS for a while but just couldn't get used to the differences in its command syntax. For example I have in ingrained in my head that DIR /S displays a listing of all subdirectories, but in DR-DOS, DIR /S displays system files. And the text editor that comes with DR-DOS is much slower than the MS-DOS 5.0/6.x Editor -- on a 4.77 MHz 8088, it absolutely crawls.

krebizfan
September 24th, 2013, 05:15 PM
DR-DOS 6 handles 2GB FAT16 drives and it might have had a dual boot option so you can keep the old OS installed alongside. I find dual boot to be problematic and prefer dedicating a drive to each OS. DR-DOS 5 has much the same feature set with no disk compression but I don't remember if it had dual boot.

They will work with Windows 3 and Windows 3.1 though DR had released a number of patches that would be beneficial to track down.

evildragon
September 24th, 2013, 05:24 PM
I might go for DR-DOS 6.

vwestlife, I'm not too fond of IBM's PC-DOS, and couldn't for some reason boot PC-DOS 2000 on my model 25. Not sure why. But DR-DOS interests me.

vwestlife
September 24th, 2013, 08:31 PM
I had fun playing around with DR-DOS for a while, but in the long run it just wasn't compatible with my "finger memory" of commands and switches I memorized 20 years ago.

And the final release version of Windows 3.1 still contains the code to display the error message "Non-Fatal error detected: error #2726. Please contact Windows 3.1 beta support. Press ENTER to exit or C to continue" if you try to run it on DR-DOS. Microsoft patched it to disable the error, but they didn't remove the error, they just changed the line of code that triggers it.

And ironically just as we're talking about this, Novell, the company which bought the rights to DR-DOS and sold it as Novell DOS 7 (before selling it to Caldera), has finally lost their antitrust case against Microsoft, claiming that Microsoft gave their own applications an unfair advantage over competitors such as Novell's WordPerfect (which the later sold to Corel):

http://www.winbeta.org/news/novell-loses-appeal-microsoft-novell-windows-95-antitrust-case-which-began-90s

Caluser2000
September 24th, 2013, 10:03 PM
What I liked about DR Dos 6.0 was that GeoWorks Ensemble, which which I found ran ok on an XT clone, green mono screen & 640k of ram, had reasonably nice intergration with it's task switcher on my 286 at the time. Still have my original disks and manuals for both.

If you don't like it you can always switch back.

evildragon
September 24th, 2013, 10:53 PM
I'm finding DR-DOS 5 and 6 rather hard to find, even on the bay. (ebay that is)

Caluser2000
September 24th, 2013, 11:27 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/FULL-DR-DOS-6-0-Full-3-Disk-Set-5-1-4-diskettes-NEW-/180505980262
http://www.ebay.com/itm/180498602480
http://www.ebay.com/itm/180905125530

JohnElliott
September 24th, 2013, 11:37 PM
I'd suggest DR-DOS 6. To get that style of DIR, add DIR /W/C to your autoexec.bat.

evildragon
September 24th, 2013, 11:40 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/FULL-DR-DOS-6-0-Full-3-Disk-Set-5-1-4-diskettes-NEW-/180505980262
http://www.ebay.com/itm/180498602480
http://www.ebay.com/itm/180905125530

How the hell did I miss that? Thanks!

Caluser2000
September 25th, 2013, 12:08 AM
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/DIGITAL-RESEARCH-DR-DOS-Version-6-0-NEW-Never-Opened-/300694866524

evildragon
September 25th, 2013, 02:28 AM
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/DIGITAL-RESEARCH-DR-DOS-Version-6-0-NEW-Never-Opened-/300694866524

That's rather overpriced don't you think? lol

Caluser2000
September 25th, 2013, 06:37 AM
There's another outfit that has it up for grabs in US$ for what I paid in NZ$ in 1991. Must be [Rare-Vintage] and all that. Seems they have an issue with selling anything with the Novell label on it.

Here's another couple of ebay auctions

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Novell-DR-DOS-6-0-NetWare-Lite-v1-1-/121181610612?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item1c36fca274

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-DR-DOS-6-0-NEW-FACTORY-SEALED-INCLUDES-5-25-DISK-INC-BONUS-NETWARE-LITE-/140740298620?pt=US_Vintage_Computers_Mainframes&hash=item20c4c6877c

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DR-DOS-6-0-on-5-25-Floppy-Disks-/131002473279?pt=US_Vintage_Computing_Manuals_Merch andise&hash=item1e805b1b3f

Paul Dickey
September 30th, 2013, 11:52 AM
How would one go about trying to buy a copy of DR-DOS and about how much would I likely need to pay? In general, what are possible sources to buy and sell 1990's PC software (DOS and Win95) other than eBay. Thanks for replies. I'm a new member. I just signed up today.

Paul

Stone
September 30th, 2013, 12:45 PM
How would one go about trying to buy a copy of DR-DOS and about how much would I likely need to pay? In general, what are possible sources to buy and sell 1990's PC software (DOS and Win95) other than eBay. Thanks for replies. I'm a new member. I just signed up today.

PaulSome of us here may have these items. I don't have any DR-DOS but I do have some MS DOS and WIN95 versions that are available.

Caluser2000
September 30th, 2013, 08:17 PM
How would one go about trying to buy a copy of DR-DOS and about how much would I likely need to pay? In general, what are possible sources to buy and sell 1990's PC software (DOS and Win95) other than eBay. Thanks for replies. I'm a new member. I just signed up today.

PaulWelcome Paul. There is a Market Place section here on VCF and similar sections on other sites dedicated to older kit. Also local auctions, like Trademe.co.nz here in NZ. ebay hits a wider international audience though. Use the ebay listings as a guide and go from there.

Caldera bought DrDos off Novell and released it for non-profit and educational use as OpenDos This is readily available on quite a few ftp sites. http://ftp.uni-bayreuth.de/pc/caldera/OpenDOS.701/

There was the DrDos/OpenDos Enhancement project which added some nice features. I think the developers of those enhancements consolidated their efforts to FreeDos, an open source MS/PC Dos compatible OS.

Anonymous Coward
October 1st, 2013, 05:18 AM
Here's an idea. Run DR-DOS, but steal the Windows 98 editor, DOS 6.x DOSSHELL, and QCONFIG from PCDOS2K. Problem solved.

Caluser2000
October 1st, 2013, 05:53 AM
You're right of course, there are a godzillion other options for customisation.

When I was running Windows 3.1 on top of it at one point I did not seem to have any problems. I may have the update disks to patch the initial release of DrDos 6.0 laying around somewhere-three 720k disks iirc

evildragon
October 1st, 2013, 11:36 AM
This issue has been resolved.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v395/Evilweredragon/drdos_zpsf178fa43.jpg~original

Caluser2000
October 1st, 2013, 08:04 PM
You need to change your sig. ;)

evildragon
October 1st, 2013, 11:58 PM
You need to change your sig. ;)

Fixed. ;)

Caluser2000
October 4th, 2013, 01:16 PM
That's better :cool: Did you end up going the ebay route or source it elsewhere?

Edit-Just been going though the boxes in the shed and retrieved my copy which was 5.25" disks but somewhere along the line I aquired a 720k disk set. My original 5.25" copy actually has the updates with it. They are the two disks with the grey envelopes in the attachment below.

evildragon
October 4th, 2013, 02:15 PM
I sourced it elsewhere. Local high school sale, haha, I got SO lucky with that. They had some Apple II stuff but I wasn't exactly paying so I had to stick to this when I saw it. Not in original box though, just the disks.

Caluser2000
October 4th, 2013, 04:15 PM
It's nice to see some folk are interested in running stuff that is a little different. There are still some features in DrDos that never made it into later MS Dos versions. Keep us posted on how you go with it.