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salamontagne
October 5th, 2013, 11:08 PM
Some time ago, I got my hands on a very tiny POS (Point Of Sale)
PC. It was givin to me by a former manager of a BK that
held on to it after it was retired. The PC was tiny,
couldnt have been much bigger then 7 inches wide by 3-4" high
and something like 12 inches deep. I say around 7" wide because
it had no bays other then a 3.5 floppy drive (the internal harddrive
sat behind it)

It had support for pentium and AMD cpu's . I know the fastest CPU that
it handled was probabily p233 (MMX I'm not sure about)

It had 2 72-pin mem slots, onboard VGA,10M Ethernet, serial/parallel
ports plus support for one or 2 expansion cards on a riser (One PCI/ISA shared
IIRC)

Ive been looking for another one of these on and off for about 10 years now. Can anyone
shed some light on what manufacturer / Model it is? I loved the little guy and would
do almost anything to get another one (Sadly, mine was given away to a friend that no longer has it)

PLEASE HELP!

EDIT: The closest ive found, size-wise, is this (but the machine i'm searching for was even smaller, height-wise!!!)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DECpos-440slc2-Point-of-Sale-Digital-486-Cx486SLC2-50MP-50MHz-Tiny-Computer-/130716191111?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e6f4ac987

EDIT: The motherboard looked similial to this one, but used 72-pin EDO and did NOT have USB (the other ps2 mouse/keyboard port sat in its place):

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://www.emc.es/inf-des/p566.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3Damd%2Bk6%2Bpoint%2Bof%2Bsale%26start% 3D30%26sa%3DN%26biw%3D1024%26bih%3D607

orion24
October 6th, 2013, 01:40 AM
It is probably the PC case that makes it tiny. If it did have an onboard VGA, it would probably have all the serial/parallel/vga/keyboard connectors on the one side of the board. This is a non-standard board design and only fits in cases that are made for it. The case of the PC you are talking about is probably something like that. But, there might be other tiny PC-AT cases for standard baby-AT boards (that come with only the AT keyboard connector on board and all others are connected to the proper case place with internal cables). A case like this will give you better flexibility in picking the mainboard.
If you can't find a tiny PC as a whole, maybe you can try looking for a tiny PC-AT case first, preferably with a riser that supports PCI. If you find such a case, you can look into what kind of boards you can fit inside.

salamontagne
October 6th, 2013, 02:09 AM
Thanks for the reply.

Yes, IIRC, the system had most of its connectors in a row at the bottom

Ive looked around on ebay and in other places for years trying
to find something that was close, but to no avail. I'll look again
but I'm pretty sure this machine was completely proprietary..

Thanks again for the help

jharre
October 8th, 2013, 12:30 PM
This sounds a bit like a mini-ITX type machine. The all-in-one boards are fairly small and many available cases are teeny-tiny. Try searching newegg.com for "mini-ITX" for a bunch of listings.

RWallmow
October 9th, 2013, 08:57 AM
This sounds a bit like a mini-ITX type machine. The all-in-one boards are fairly small and many available cases are teeny-tiny. Try searching newegg.com for "mini-ITX" for a bunch of listings.

I am thinking its probably PRE ITX form factor, likely some proprietary layout. I have seen a few POS computers in small proprietary form factors like that, my friend used to have a similar designed 486 system. There were a few larger players in the POS computer market, like NCR and Micros, but also a lot of no-names. I would just start searching around for "small form factor" or "point of sale / POS", you might get lucky and find a similar one.

salamontagne
October 12th, 2013, 12:54 PM
Thanks for bringing form factor back into my head, its lead me a bit closer

Yeah, ITX was a subset of ATX. The board that i listed below:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://www.emc.es/inf-des/p566.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3Damd%2Bk6%2Bpoint%2Bof%2Bsale%26start% 3D30%26sa%3DN%26biw%3D1024%26bih%3D607

Is the closest that Iv'e ever come fo finding the form factor that the 'Lil guy used. Some differances, thou: No USB, 72-pin instead of SDRAM, and not an ATX.

It mentions "Compatible with LPX Spec" Looking further, I found a closer match, but no dice yet:

http://support.elmark.com.pl/advantech/pdf/POS-562man.PDF

mentions a company named "Avantech" Though I'm not really much closer...




I am thinking its probably PRE ITX form factor, likely some proprietary layout. I have seen a few POS computers in small proprietary form factors like that, my friend used to have a similar designed 486 system. There were a few larger players in the POS computer market, like NCR and Micros, but also a lot of no-names. I would just start searching around for "small form factor" or "point of sale / POS", you might get lucky and find a similar one.

Cloudschatze
October 12th, 2013, 01:49 PM
I'm not sure if it's what you're after, but the Unisys-branded Aquanta CP at least sounds similar.

http://www.symphoniae.com/Unisys/Aquanta/JPG/aquanta.jpg

Here is some relevant documentation:
http://www.symphoniae.com/Unisys/Aquanta/DOCS/CP-38149779.pdf
http://www.symphoniae.com/Unisys/Aquanta/DOCS/CP-CM-38160651.pdf

salamontagne
October 15th, 2013, 12:36 PM
Thanks for this!

Its EXTREMELY close...heck, if i cant find exactally what i'm looking for i may go looking for one!

BrianS
October 15th, 2013, 01:02 PM
PC-104 based systems are used in some point-of-sale applications. They are small, often have an enclosure that looks like a toaster.

http://www.embeddedintel.com/technology_applications.php?article=1175

I've use the board shown above, but go back to 1982 with Z80 based boards.

BrianS
October 15th, 2013, 04:34 PM
Could it have been a PC104 based computer? They were used for POS systems, among other embedded applications. PC104 was ISA compatible, PC104+ was ISA/PCI- but in a compact factor. They have been around for a long time, started by Ampro. Google it, I am guessing that new members are not allowed to post Links. I did post a link to a PC-104 article, but it does not show up in the thread.

Cloudschatze
October 18th, 2013, 04:09 PM
Thanks for this!

Its EXTREMELY close...heck, if i cant find exactally what i'm looking for i may go looking for one!

Well, I'm doing exactly nothing with this system, and it's the most complete one you'll come across (having both the slimline CD-ROM and EISA-based soundcard (yes, EISA!)), if you (or anyone else) want to make an offer. :)

Caluser2000
October 18th, 2013, 05:49 PM
Looks the same size as a compact Compaq Deskpro EN

Hal9000
November 23rd, 2013, 11:02 AM
I like those Stainless Steel McDonalds POS touch screen machines like this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEkaVA7nx5E
Or, one of those dark grey Walmart IBM POS systems would be fun to play with.