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gerrydoire
November 13th, 2013, 10:06 AM
I have a Brand New IBM AT 5170.

The box is opened, but the computer has never been opened, turned on, or used.

The box isn't perfect, but completely intact and not water stained or anything.

The Case is 99% perfect, only one small scratch on the entire thing, top of the case
near the back.

It even smells new, like it was just bought yesterday, currently the entire
thing is inside a plastic bag made of mylar.

It has 1 Floppy Drive, 1 HD, 512k memory

OK, what would something like this realistically be worth at the best of times?

joekster
November 13th, 2013, 11:25 AM
Prices tend to be volatile, but I'll give my $0.02...
I would be surprised if it sold for less than $100 or more than $300. My best guess would be $160 given the high shipping costs.

mikey99
November 13th, 2013, 11:45 AM
I recall a few years ago an ebay seller had a few 5170's listed, new in box.
I think those were selling for around $100 at the time, cant recall if they were buy-it-now
or auctions.

Do you know which hard drive the system unit has ? If it has the CMI drive that could
add to the value.

barythrin
November 13th, 2013, 11:53 AM
I thought regular 5170s had been going for the $100-150 range recently? Not sure what a boxed one would fetch though since I haven't been tracking them much. I'm thinking you were hoping a $600ish range?

PeterNC
November 13th, 2013, 12:02 PM
It also depends on whether the machine is in working condition. And whether other accessories like manuals, diskettes and such are in pristine / working condition. :)

gerrydoire
November 13th, 2013, 01:17 PM
Anyone have a spare Brand New 5170 to sell me for $150 :P

framer
November 13th, 2013, 02:03 PM
I'll bite, but really, never turned on? I could see it bring a crazy price. It's condition, condition, condition. The junk sells for $150. Good stuff is rare. List it on fleabay with a high reserve to find out. Be careful someone might just pay that crazy price.

What HD is with it and does it work?

My two are priceless to me...

framer

Stone
November 13th, 2013, 02:31 PM
I've got one of the IBM 0665 drive from the 5170. It's like this one:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/200847856342?ssPageName=STRK:MESINDXX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1436.l2649#ht_1286wt_896

bettablue
November 13th, 2013, 04:37 PM
I've got one of the IBM 0665 drive from the 5170. It's like this one:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/200847856342?ssPageName=STRK:MESINDXX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1436.l2649#ht_1286wt_896

Seriously stone! Is there anything you DON'T have?

Like many others, I am also in the market for a 5170. Its not on my wish list, but still, once I get some things ironed out, I'll probably be in the market for one.

gerrydoire
November 13th, 2013, 04:51 PM
I'll bite, but really, never turned on? I could see it bring a crazy price. It's condition, condition, condition. The junk sells for $150. Good stuff is rare. List it on fleabay with a high reserve to find out. Be careful someone might just pay that crazy price.

What HD is with it and does it work?

My two are priceless to me...

framer

The computer has never been turned on, so no idea if it works.

Unknown_K
November 13th, 2013, 05:20 PM
I would worry about a HD that has sticky heads from never being used. Somebody on Ebay buying it thinking it is new and having booting issues is sure to file a claim.

Stone
November 13th, 2013, 06:03 PM
Where has it been hiding? Did you just pull this from a 25+ year gig in a time capsule? And how do you know that it has never been turned on? It didn't just materialize so it must have some history behind it.

Shadow Lord
November 13th, 2013, 06:05 PM
I would worry about a HD that has sticky heads from never being used. Somebody on Ebay buying it thinking it is new and having booting issues is sure to file a claim.

I bought one a few months back for $150 "NIB" SHIPPED. Looked to me it had been taken out at least once but it was still beautiful and at that price I just could not pass it up. Problem is it is too beautiful to use :/. I have a nice, but clearly been used, 5170 that has been my test system and a 5170 that is also like new that I have modified and put in the tower option. I am not sure I want to replace either one with this beauty....

P.S. No its not for sale at this point :).

Unknown_K
November 13th, 2013, 06:44 PM
Makes you wonder why a $3000 or whatever it cost machine was purchased and never used.

Shadow Lord
November 13th, 2013, 06:58 PM
Makes you wonder why a $3000 or whatever it cost machine was purchased and never used.

In my case the story was that it was a "spare". Like I said though I think mine was used but very gently....

gerrydoire
November 13th, 2013, 09:05 PM
Where has it been hiding? Did you just pull this from a 25+ year gig in a time capsule? And how do you know that it has never been turned on? It didn't just materialize so it must have some history behind it.

How many companies or schools have bought a pile of computers, some left in storage and forgotten about?

barney
November 14th, 2013, 05:33 PM
Everybody here is crazy. A brand new 5170 will easily sell for $400 or more. Probably closer to $500.

gerrydoire
November 14th, 2013, 05:44 PM
Everybody here is crazy. A brand new 5170 will easily sell for $400 or more. Probably closer to $500.

I like your thinking!

Shadow Lord
November 14th, 2013, 06:41 PM
Everybody here is crazy. A brand new 5170 will easily sell for $400 or more. Probably closer to $500.

Well then, you offer him $500 and see if he takes it. Talk is cheap. Cold hard cash is not.

Now, I am not saying on eBay it won't get crazy and someone may pay $500 (or even more) for a "brand new" 5170. However, you can buy ones for much cheaper. I got mine for $150 as mentioned and I also got my other 5170 (the one with the mods) for $100 shipped (and that one was super clean and well taken cared of). You got to look long and hard and you got to get lucky for a deal.

Unknown_K
November 14th, 2013, 07:50 PM
Or wait for the next major economic downturn in 5 years and get one for $50 and the owner will walk it over to your house.

People always remember the units that went for decent money while others went cheaper when nobody noticed. Still deals are getting harder to find unless they are local and the owner doesn't want to ship (there are a few people paying top dollar in the world and Ebay distorts the perception of value because of this).

gerrydoire
November 14th, 2013, 08:18 PM
I would worry about a HD that has sticky heads from never being used. Somebody on Ebay buying it thinking it is new and having booting issues is sure to file a claim.

IMO if you buy a new computer off of ebay that is vintage, expecting it to work, even if its brand new, near new, kind of new, newish, is rather stupid on the buyers part.

Stone
November 15th, 2013, 03:00 AM
http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Unknown_K http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum/showthread.php?p=301690#post301690)
I would worry about a HD that has sticky heads from never being used. Somebody on Ebay buying it thinking it is new and having booting issues is sure to file a claim.


IMO if you buy a new computer off of ebay that is vintage, expecting it to work, even if its brand new, near new, kind of new, newish, is rather stupid on the buyers part.No, with eBay's policies, it's stupid on the seller's part 'cause the seller can't win this dispute. :-)

bettablue
November 15th, 2013, 03:32 AM
I like your thinking!

Personally; I think everyone in the Vintage Computer Forums has to be at least a little bit crazy, and I'm sure I fit perfectly into the upper echelons in the looney bin.. . Why else would we actively look for old computers that haven't been in production for 0ver 36 years; work to get them working like new, or even better, and then refurbish and outfit them with parts and peripherals we couldn't even come close to affording back when they were first introduced? Even my wife, who supports my vintage computer hobby, and activities, calls me crazy, but at the same time, she tells me that she would rather have my fill a room with old computers, then just sitting in front of the TV days on end.

So, As long as Kris supports me, I'll maintain my crazy!

gerrydoire
November 15th, 2013, 04:42 AM
http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Unknown_K http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum/showthread.php?p=301690#post301690)
I would worry about a HD that has sticky heads from never being used. Somebody on Ebay buying it thinking it is new and having booting issues is sure to file a claim.

No, with eBay's policies, it's stupid on the seller's part 'cause the seller can't win this dispute. :-)

Can the Seller state, no testing has been done, as is?

Stone
November 15th, 2013, 05:31 AM
Can the Seller state, no testing has been done, as is?Yes, I believe you can state it's NIB, never been used, and all that rot in the description but it has to be listed as not working or for parts due to its age. You can still ask a lot for it. Maybe someone will take a chance on it. Or, you could plug it in and see what happens. Then, if it works you can sell it as new and just tested recently to be sure it works.

framer
November 15th, 2013, 07:35 AM
If the original seal on the box is open I'd test it. If it's NEVER been out of the box and original seals in place then no. If the seals been broken someone could have checked it out years ago and put it back that's mint+++

If it still package on the inside looks undisturbed I would also leave it.

framer

SomeGuy
November 15th, 2013, 09:05 AM
Keep in mind that being non-functional very well might be the reason something went unused. It's easy to imagine someone pulling out a machine, seeing that it doesn't work, and then setting it aside for service that never happens.

And I hate the excuse "due to age". How is an out of warranty, unsupported, untested, one year old item any different from a thirty year old item? "As is" is "as is".

Stone
November 15th, 2013, 09:35 AM
Just remember, that on eBay, 'as is' in the item's description does not protect the seller from a buyer's action on an item that is *not* listed as 'not working or for parts'. Only if you sell your item that way are you protected from having the possibility of a buyer pursuing an action.

billdeg
November 16th, 2013, 04:26 AM
An excellent cond, boxed 5170 would be worth $300 minimum. On ebay.com I'd expect to get between 3-400+ $US, but I'd set a minimum on something like this. Shipping is the problem and you'll be limited if you're out in Gibip where shipping to customers is expensive. No idea where you are located. I would like to have a boxed 5170 myself.

There *is* someone on earth trolling ebay right now who'd pay $500 for a boxed 5170 IMHO.

Erwin-c64
November 16th, 2013, 10:58 AM
If I would have a new in box 5170 I would rather want to know what the value of my old machine would be. Just unbox it and use it :D unless you don't have anything to eat and have sold all your other stuff already.

SpidersWeb
November 16th, 2013, 04:33 PM
Keep in mind that being non-functional very well might be the reason something went unused. It's easy to imagine someone pulling out a machine, seeing that it doesn't work, and then setting it aside for service that never happens.

And I hate the excuse "due to age". How is an out of warranty, unsupported, untested, one year old item any different from a thirty year old item? "As is" is "as is".

Yeah I bought a brand new in box VGA display, turned out it was left in the box because the screen mask was damaged when new and was made by the company that was using it - so they weren't really fussed about returning it, just left it in storage. Pretty colours though! (thankfully only cost $1).



As someone mentioned above me, I think if the seals are broken on the box, test it.