PDA

View Full Version : Solong Steve Irwin...



atari2600a
September 4th, 2006, 03:09 PM
It sucks he's dead now. (I think I was one of the only people to buy the Crocodile Hunter Movie on DVD :p)

bbcmicro
September 4th, 2006, 03:17 PM
He was certainly entertaining. He will be sorely missed, although I figured with a job like that, you only have so much luck...

mbbrutman
September 4th, 2006, 03:38 PM
The irony is that it's hard to get killed by a stingray. The poison is painful, but usually not fatal. The barb just hit in a really bad place ..

I was hoping for 'More Snakes on a Plane' featuring Steve:

"Snakes? Where? On a plane? Crikey! Let's go see!"

carlsson
September 4th, 2006, 04:16 PM
As I posted on another forum, one of my favourite episodes was when he was rushing back home to witness his wife giving birth to their first child. He stormed into the ward with cameramen and acting like he was documenting a wild animal giving birth. Totally hilarious, and something very few other people could get away with doing.

bbcmicro
September 5th, 2006, 12:39 AM
When critisised for holding his baby son whilst feeding a crocodile, he defended himself:
"People say, `well what if you had fallen?' But for that to take place a meteorite would have had to come out of the sky and hit Australia at 6.6 on the Richter scale like in Iran."

alexkerhead
September 5th, 2006, 07:43 AM
I like how Irwin reportedly just snatched that barb out of his chest like a badazz, but unfortunately, it was the only thing keeping blood in his heart, so he sort of accelerated his death.

Chris2005
September 5th, 2006, 12:21 PM
holy crap, I can't believe it. This is the first I've heard of it!

atari2600a
September 5th, 2006, 07:40 PM
Wow, you should really consider getting some form of pay-tv! :p

NathanAllan
September 6th, 2006, 12:28 AM
I don't know why but when I heard he died it struck me pretty hard. I was just a fan, but I actually modeled a kit for my D&D game after him as a crocodile hunter way back when. I made the kit but one of my players actually came up with the idea. I've heard things in the media that "he was very entertaining" but he was a hero for a lot of people, too. I know I'll be missing him.

TroyW
September 7th, 2006, 04:48 PM
It was incredibly sad news for all us Australians, and the reaction here to the news has been nothing short of massive.

RIP Steve "Crikey" Irwin. You were the best friend nature ever had, your enthusiasm was contagious, and you will be missed by many.

Unknown_K
September 7th, 2006, 10:26 PM
I guess I would have rather seen him get eaten by a crock that he likes to jump on all the time then get killed by a fish, but I think everybody knew he would not reach retirement age doing what he did.

What fascinates me is that australia wanted to give him a national funeral which is generaly reserved to people who did something selfless for their country in times of war (not wrestle gators on TV).

What did this guy do outside of entertainment that warrents such a huge outpouring of affection? When I seen his father on tv talking about his son, even he said that his son didn't do anything special to warrent a national funeral (and declined it on the spot).

alexkerhead
September 7th, 2006, 11:46 PM
I guess I would have rather seen him get eaten by a crock that he likes to jump on all the time then get killed by a fish, but I think everybody knew he would not reach retirement age doing what he did.

What fascinates me is that australia wanted to give him a national funeral which is generaly reserved to people who did something selfless for their country in times of war (not wrestle gators on TV).

What did this guy do outside of entertainment that warrents such a huge outpouring of affection? When I seen his father on tv talking about his son, even he said that his son didn't do anything special to warrent a national funeral (and declined it on the spot).
Stingray is not a typical fish stupid. A stingray has a 13" spike on his tail.


He deserved a national funeral, but his dad said Steve wouldn't have wanted it, which is most likely true, because he never was a baller or jerk off.
There is no war to fight in anyone would look brave in at the moment.
Steve Irwin spent a fortune renovating the Zoo he worked for. He spent Almost all of his money on saving wildlife and preserving habitats.
He raised awareness of the danger to animals through entertainment, which is the only way to get a message out these days.

His father did not imply Steve was not important. His father implied that Steve was just one of the Blokes, and never wanted to be a rich jerk.

Steve Irwin did more for the world in a 30 minute TV show, than you will do in your lifetime.
You have no merrit to say crap about him.
He was a genuine human being who believed that animals needed a voice.
So the hell what, he wrestled gators for amusement, what they don't show on TV is him giving speeches about wildlife preservation.

You're a jerk.

carlsson
September 8th, 2006, 02:21 AM
Cool down. Everyone are entitled to their views. Many animal experts frowned upon the ways Steve Irwin presented the wildlife. It is true what you write, that the spectacular entertainment format makes a bigger impact than low-key nature movies. How many general TV channels would buy a traditional wildlife documentary and broadcast on prime time?

Steve was active in animal preservation, creating habitats and raising awareness for some otherwise less respected animals. He also indirectly promoted Australia, although he did a few episodes abroad. I think it is along these factors that his family were offered a state funeral, if they wanted it. Whether or not he spent a lot of money to renovate a zoo does not really matter for the government, other than they got a good deal of tax money from his thriving business.

mbbrutman
September 8th, 2006, 04:52 AM
Lets remember to be civil and respectful, both of dead people and of forum members.

Unknown_K
September 8th, 2006, 08:36 PM
I grew up watching Jacques Cousteau on TV exploring the oceans and loved seeing all the native life I knew nothing about. Jacques spent his whole life it seams working in the water expanding peoples knowledge of the ocean and its wildlife without resorting to wrestling them or us watching him waiting for him to get bit for a giggle.

All I was commenting on was why did somebody who got his fame for wrestling crocks deserve a national funeral, don't get pissy with me alexkerhead. And as far as a stingrays go there have only been a handfull of deaths from them since they don't go out of their way to attack people.

mbbrutman
September 9th, 2006, 06:21 AM
I don't think that Unknown_K was particularly disrespectful or out of line. Steve Irwin wasn't Jacques Cousteau, but that's a good thing .. Jacques bored the crap out of many of us.

Steve might have wrestled crocs for attention, but what he did with the attention was commendable as well. Just not up to the level of a state funeral. He was a national hero, yes. As it happens, his family declined the state funeral so it really doesn't matter.

But like I said, respect the living as well. That includes forum members. ;-) I've had my numerous occasions of being snippy with people as well, and I think a good way to handle posting is to ask yourself would you say the same thing in front of the person directly over a drink? Email/writing isn't perfect .. we're missing a lot of non-verbal cues. Let's keep it civil.

carlsson
September 10th, 2006, 10:24 AM
As a matter of fact, the production Steve was in process of making was a co-op with Philippe Cousteau, which I suppose is a sibling to Jacques. They're making a movie called "Ocean's deadliest", but the sting ray was not even considered to be pictured.

According to Steve Irwin's wishes, the movie will now be finished without him. I also read that Terri, the widow, will continue another program idea where their eight year old daughter gets acquinted with non-dangerous animals such as tropic fish, small lizards and nontoxic snakes, hoping that one day she will take after her father (in some way).

Chris2005
September 11th, 2006, 01:01 PM
The reality is he didn't really wrestle gators (to my knowledge or remembrance) ala Crocodile Dundee. And he didn't do it alone. The effort was to *often* save crocs from their circumstances. He was a tremendous individual. I can hardly believe it's happened. According to People or whatever I was reading last night, the kid's show may never air (?). His daughter will undoubtedly follow in his footsteps though. It's truely a shame that this dude had to have his life ended like that, and at such a young age with young children. He was understandably an eh "hero" to alot of people. I'm not always for the theatrics either, but this guy busted his hump in his life's work. I do have alot of respect for him.
Having said all that, there was one episode where he and his wife were chasing cats out of talllll trees, and catching them in nets as they hit the ground. Regardless of whether felines "belong" in Australia or not (of course like so many other species they were brought there and weren't indigenous), they're still entitiled to respect. If you have to deal with a problem animal, find some other way to do it. Don't take it out on them. Kind of along the same lines, people who hunt solely for sport piss me off to no end. I'm getting to know the people in this area where I've migrated too (NE PA) and I like them alot generally. But some of the people I work with for instance will shoot something as soon as it sticks it's head out of it's hole. The damned things are struggling to survive just like people do, and they have emotions like us also. You're ignorant if you can admit it to yourself. But I digress.

Terry Yager
September 11th, 2006, 01:38 PM
Kind of along the same lines, people who hunt solely for sport piss me off to no end. I'm getting to know the people in this area where I've migrated too (NE PA) and I like them alot generally. But some of the people I work with for instance will shoot something as soon as it sticks it's head out of it's hole. The damned things are struggling to survive just like people do, and they have emotions like us also. You're ignorant if you can admit it to yourself. But I digress.

What about 'sport hunting' which serves the dual purpose of vermin control, ('round here we call it 'varmint huntin', the only 'pure-sport' type of hunting I've ever engaged in) especially in areas where the natural predators (wolves, coyotes, wild cats, etc) have long since been exterminated? If man has upset the balance of nature, it's up to man to do whatever we can to restore that balance (preferably, by re-introducing predator populations into those areas). When the overgrowth of certain species becomes adverse to the interests of man, we must defend ourselves. (Surely, you don't expect rats, f'rinstance, to be given equal status to say, a lovely peacock or sum'n)?

--T

Chris2005
September 11th, 2006, 01:47 PM
no I don't expect rats or carnivores to take over. Just that around here for instance there are still bobcats, coyotes and whatnot. I can't see killing something for pleasure, and the vast majority of hunters, at least the morons I've met here in the northeast, kill for the sake of killing. Like turkey shoots and canned scenarios. I'm not a naturalist to that extent, and I don't particularly believe in reintroducing anything where they've been eliminated (don't know if it's true, but have heard that wolves will indiscriminately kill up to 100 sheep in a single night. Maybe you can confirm or deny. Others have said it's bull. I know housefold cats which are near and dear to my heart absolutely DO kill indiscriminately just for fun).
I just remember the testimony of some ranger/game warden type dude over in Africa. When he was young he said he used to hear elephants off in the distance crying as they died (even of natural causes presumably). He said it reminded him of the way he'd seen humans die. I'm not here equating the two, but there's something missing in the soul of someone who takes pleasure in killing something. Though I do realize people were raised differently and whatnot. I'm not trying to come across as judgemental, it just seems to be a crime the way some people carry on. And I'm an advocate of gun ownership. I just don't believe children in particular should be reared to kill for sport.

Chris2005
September 11th, 2006, 01:53 PM
and mind you I'm not likely to ever actually see a coyote or bobcat in the wild up here, they're so rare, so what possibly threat could they pose to humans or whatever? The one guy is a hunter trapper, and has never even seen a black bear up here in the wild.

Terry Yager
September 11th, 2006, 02:02 PM
Sorry, Chris, I'm not giving this discussion my full undivided attention at the moment. Bowling for Columbine is on the TV right now, and I'm just typing during the commercials.

--T

Terry Yager
September 11th, 2006, 02:56 PM
Just to refresh everyone, BFC is the movie by local filmmaker, Michael Moore, in which he convinced the K-Mart chain of department stores to stop selling handgun (& other 'non-sporting') types of ammunition (although, I personally question thier definition of 'sporting' ammo, my favorite for varmintin' being the 7.62mm, preferred for it's muzzle velocity, long range, and flat trajectory (providing accuracy at long ranges), although it is also used in most 'assault rifles' these days).

--T

Chris2005
September 14th, 2006, 12:20 PM
we can only wonder the logic in this. I'm guessing more human deaths occur as a result of hunting incidents (could also be a deer running onto the freeway trying to escape...landing on the hood of someone's car, kicking it's way into the passenger compartment...and summarily out the back windshield...shreading itself and everyone else in the car) then by handguns which are lawfully owned and used. Then there's the deaths that are prevented by the ownership of handguns by law abiding citizens. MM is typical of the anti-gun crown who would like to see ALL of them gone.
No need for apologies. I don't even show up here everyday (to say the least). My only means of net access at the moment is via a hotspot at the library. And need to get busy with other things, so I'm cutting it down to about 3 sessions per week.

Terry Yager
September 14th, 2006, 02:03 PM
Well, he is a card-carrying member of the NRA, with marksmanship awards, etc, so he isn't completely anti gun, just the short ones, I s'poze. I kinda agree with him that places that don't sell handguns prolly shouldn't be selling ammo for 'em. And while I personally gave up huntin' & fishin' many yearz ago, I wouldn't take away anybody else's right to do so. I never did like 'baiting' for wild game either...just doesn't seem fair. A well-fed creature luring a hungry one, just to kill it over it's food?

--T

TroyW
September 15th, 2006, 03:19 PM
How did a thread about Steve Irwin turn into a gun debate? :confused:

alexkerhead
September 15th, 2006, 06:59 PM
R.I.P Steve irwin, you are sorely missed.

Terry Yager
September 15th, 2006, 07:06 PM
R.I.P Steve irwin, you are sorely missed.

..by all!

--T

mbbrutman
September 15th, 2006, 08:14 PM
How did a thread about Steve Irwin turn into a gun debate? :confused:

You must be new here.


(Sorry .. couldn't resist.)

carlsson
September 16th, 2006, 01:31 AM
I read that there will be a memorial service, and 3000 tickets had been booked (bought?!) in just a few minutes.

TroyW
September 16th, 2006, 04:01 AM
You must be new here.


(Sorry .. couldn't resist.)

Yes, I am new here, but I fail to see the relevance and it seems very disrespectful to me.

Terry Yager
September 16th, 2006, 05:58 AM
Steve Irwin > Nature Conservation > Hunting > Gun Control

--T

mbbrutman
September 16th, 2006, 06:13 AM
Well Troy, let me tell you how some of this works.

Despite our best efforts, things go off topic. My efforts have been particularly heavy handed, but it generally doesn't help .. people just tend to drift.

I'd suggest staying in the technical areas of the forum. It's less maddening. ;-)

alexkerhead
September 16th, 2006, 07:42 AM
Yes, I am new here, but I fail to see the relevance and it seems very disrespectful to me.

Nobody ever means disrespect.
Mr. Brutman is heavey handed, and he is right, things always run off course..lol

Chris2005
September 16th, 2006, 11:50 AM
Troy -
The off-topic categories tend to be a free for all. *Almost* anything goes. I don't see why you've taken it as disrespectful, none was intended. I was the one who caused the drift, but actually stated I had alot of respect for the guy. Maybe you could tell us how exactly you found it to be so.

mbbrutman
September 16th, 2006, 01:18 PM
I think that TroyW explaining why he found something disrespectful in an off-topic thread that was off-topic that the authors did not intend to be disrespectful would just take the off-topic off-topic thread and move it further off-topic. So I would advise TroyW to just run as far away from this as he can, and not be drawn into a debate about why the off-topic remarks in the off-topic thread may or may not be misconstrued as disrespectful.

bbcmicro
September 16th, 2006, 03:06 PM
Wow, you should really consider getting some form of pay-tv!
Whats wrong with a radio? thats how I heard. 6:00am in fact.

carlsson
September 16th, 2006, 03:18 PM
Wildlife documentaries tend to be a bit bland if broadcasted on radio. In particular if they don't feature animals that are making loud noises. :-)

TroyW
September 20th, 2006, 01:38 AM
Hey True Blue, don't say you've gone
Say you've knocked off for a smoko
And you'll be back later on
Hey True Blue, Hey True Blue


Give it to me straight
Face to face
Are you really disappearing,
Just another dying race,
Hey True Blue.


True Blue, is it me and you?
Is it Mum and Dad, is it Steve Irwin too?
Is it standing by your mate
When he's in a fight?
Or will she be right?
True Blue, I'm asking you...


Hey True Blue, can you bear the load?
Will you tie it up with wire,
Just to keep the show on the road?
Hey True Blue, Hey True Blue, now be Fair Dinkum


Is your heart still there?
If they sell us out like sponge cake
Do you really care?
Hey True Blue.


True Blue, is it me and you?
Is it Mum and Dad, is it Steve Irwin too?
Is it standing by your mate
When she's in a fight?
Or will she be right?
True Blue, I'm asking you...

True Blue, is it me and you?
Is it Mum and Dad, is it Steve Irwin too?
Is it standing by your mate
When he's in a fight?
Or will she be right?
True Blue ... True Blue.

As sung by John Williamson today during the very moving service.

R.I.P. Steve Irwin.

P.S. I personally thought the thread becoming a gun debate was disrespectful towards Steve Irwin, basically because the gun debate had nothing to do with Steve Irwin, and discussing guns in a thread about him I personally found disrespectful. I understand others may not see it that way, but I do.

chuckcmagee
September 20th, 2006, 02:04 AM
Yes, I watched the service today on TV with my mother. She was crying at the end of it and I was close to crying myself. That guy that did the singing is great.

Terry Yager
September 20th, 2006, 08:27 AM
P.S. I personally thought the thread becoming a gun debate was disrespectful towards Steve Irwin, basically because the gun debate had nothing to do with Steve Irwin, and discussing guns in a thread about him I personally found disrespectful. I understand others may not see it that way, but I do.

I don't think anyone meant any disrespect. It just seems that any discussion of Irwin and his wildlife conservation efforts must at least touch on the subject of hunting for 'sport'.

--T