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billdeg
November 24th, 2015, 02:32 PM
I have V/68 manuals. What is a good basic V/68 system to learn on? I would prefer something older than 1986...HDS200? I have been paying little attention to V/68 but I thought I'd learn more about it. Is V/68 the "same" as UNIX 5, close?
Bill

Al Kossow
November 24th, 2015, 06:53 PM
I have V/68 manuals. What is a good basic V/68 system to learn on? I would prefer something older than 1986...HDS200? I have been paying little attention to V/68 but I thought I'd learn more about it. Is V/68 the "same" as UNIX 5, close?
Bill

1986 is pretty early for System V. HDS200 would have been a Moto development system.

billdeg
November 25th, 2015, 05:22 AM
The manuals I have are from Late 1983-Aug 1984, "blue" system docs put out by Motorola. These Motorola V/68 manuals are hardware agnostic although a few Textronix and HP terminals are mentioned specifically by model. They refer only in general or comparatively to hardware as it would be running UNIX V in particular. Basically they're saying this is a UNIX for the Motorola 68000 family type systems (I presume), right?

Cutting to the chase what would then be a good starter system for exploring v/68? It does not have to be rare or expensive as I am more interested in the OS than the underlying hardware. I assume there are emulators too. Who used this OS - AT&T for it's phone systems?

V/68 is also known as M68KUN

Bill

billdeg
November 25th, 2015, 06:48 AM
doing more research...This version of UNIX might have a command set similar any UNIX ports (?) found on 680x0-based MACs or Amigas, but they're too new to be candidates for the 1983-84 docs I have.

My Motorola-based CPU SWTPc 6800 came with a 6800 microprocessor manual. With that in mind I am thinking that the M68KUN manuals I have were included with a mystery computer system that ran 68K UNIX. The same manual might have been shipped along with a number of different make/models that ran 68KUN or "V/68". I did not see any errata to indicate what system my copy of this doc set came with.

Candidates

Dataindustrier_AB's DS90
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dataindustrier_AB

SAGE II?

http://pctimeline.info/workstation/ says:
Fortune Systems introduces the Fortune 32:16 computer system. It features a 6 MHz Motorola 68000 CPU, 256 kB RAM, and runs Unix v7. Price is US$5000-11,000.

Silicon Graphics IRIS 1400?

Al Kossow
November 25th, 2015, 07:12 AM
doing more research...This version of UNIX might have a command set similar any UNIX ports (?) found on 680x0-based MACs or Amigas, but they're too new to be candidates for the 1983-84 docs I have.

My Motorola-based CPU SWTPc 6800 came with a 6800 microprocessor manual. With that in mind I am thinking that the M68KUN manuals I have were included with a mystery computer system that ran 68K UNIX. The same manual might have been shipped along with a number of different make/models that ran 68KUN or "V/68". I did not see any errata to indicate what system my copy of this doc set came with.

Candidates

Dataindustrier_AB's DS90
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dataindustrier_AB

SAGE II?

http://pctimeline.info/workstation/ says:
Fortune Systems introduces the Fortune 32:16 computer system. It features a 6 MHz Motorola 68000 CPU, 256 kB RAM, and runs Unix v7. Price is US$5000-11,000.

Silicon Graphics IRIS 1400?

It would have had to have been for a system manufactured by Motorola. SGI and Fortune (and Charles River Data Systems and ...) had their own Unix ports.
It may have been a port from Unisoft but I'm not sure what Moto CPU boards it would have run on. I guess they could have
been making some that had 68451 MMUs on them by then, I just can't think of any.

billdeg
November 30th, 2015, 10:43 AM
Al,
I still think they shipped these manuals with V/68 systems generically, at least I don't see why not. BUT if they only shipped the generic v/68 manuals with a Motorola-branded system in 1983-1985...what one(s)?
Bill

Chuck(G)
November 30th, 2015, 10:54 AM
I'll guarantee it wasn't Fortune Systems--that one used an almost paranoid software licensing scheme.

There were a few now long-gone Unix boxes using the 68K back then. I recall seeing a few at Wescon. For example, Plexus.

kokoboi
January 21st, 2016, 01:06 PM
Motorola first shipped its sysv68 in 1984. The first version was R1V2.7. The next release R1V2.8 is available on bitsavers.

billdeg
January 21st, 2016, 01:32 PM
MY 3 binder set of manuals are Release 1, version 2.1. May 1983 some pages revised Aug 1984

kokoboi
January 22nd, 2016, 12:03 AM
MY 3 binder set of manuals are Release 1, version 2.1. May 1983 some pages revised Aug 1984
This should be pre-VME/10 era. I'm not familiar with the hardware from that period.

billdeg
January 22nd, 2016, 04:50 AM
And we circle back to the original question from this post. What computer exactly would one have run with the version 2.1 manuals? I think perhaps now you see the point of my question.

kokoboi
January 22nd, 2016, 10:32 AM
And we circle back to the original question from this post. What computer exactly would one have run with the version 2.1 manuals? I think perhaps now you see the point of my question.

29200

billdeg
January 22nd, 2016, 11:43 AM
not that I dont believe you, but how do you know that this machine used version 2.1? I thought these were Pascal machines

Al Kossow
May 30th, 2016, 08:22 AM
I have V/68 manuals. What is a good basic V/68 system to learn on? I would prefer something older than 1986...HDS200? I have been paying little attention to V/68 but I thought I'd learn more about it. Is V/68 the "same" as UNIX 5, close?
Bill

Bill, do you have any way to scan these? I realized this weekend I have a VME/10 with an early V/68 on it, but don't have any docs

Marty
May 30th, 2016, 11:57 AM
Hi All;

Bill, I have a Charles River Universe 68 (68000 system), but most of the System Software is their own stuff, but they did have a Unix variant running on it..
Unfortunately, the Omni Floppy Control Board doesn't work any more, and I have had no success with trying to fixing it..
So, I can't read the Floppies..

THANK YOU Marty

billdeg
May 31st, 2016, 04:58 AM
It very well may be that the VME/10 could have matched to these manuals. ComputerWord I see that the OS would have been a UNIX V variant, thanks

Scan? Not the top of my list. Must be 1500 double-sided pages in three binders.

Al Kossow
May 31st, 2016, 08:04 AM
It very well may be that the VME/10 could have matched to these manuals. ComputerWord I see that the OS would have been a UNIX V variant, thanks

Scan? Not the top of my list. Must be 1500 double-sided pages in three binders.

from a usenet post

From: fred@mot.UUCP (Fred Christiansen)
Newsgroups: net.micro.68k
Subject: Re: SYSTEM 5 on VME/10
Posted: Mon Jan 14 12:52:47 1985
Organization: Motorola Microsystems, Phoenix AZ

[]
Since there have been several submissions on this topic, the reply is to the
net and not just the writers of the submissions.

System V/68 Release 1 Version 2.7, the first Unix release for VME/10 was created
by Motorola Microsystems Engineering as a Beta release. However, due to high
demand, it was released as a product. Most of its deficiencies were well known
and described in a Customer Letter. Not being able to relink a kernel is
common among micro Unix systems; however, 2.7 was missing the kernel libs to do
this by oversight rather than intent. Note also that it was released prior to
our obtaining 68000 Sys V validation from AT&T in March '84.

Subsequently, there have been releases and updates, with support for graphics,
kernel reconfiguration, source (need license from AT&T Technologies first),
40Mb disk, improved serial i/o, etc: Version 2.7 update in May '84, Version 2.8
in August '84, and Version 2.8 update in September. Any one who registered
their software with Four Phase/Motorola would have received the updates for free
and new releases quite cheaply. This could be important to VME/10 customers
since Sys V Rel 2 Ver 1 is imminent.

--

Could I borrow these from you to scan if you don't have time?

KC9UDX
May 31st, 2016, 09:40 AM
doing more research...This version of UNIX might have a command set similar any UNIX ports (?) found on 680x0-based MACs or Amigas, but they're too new to be candidates for the 1983-84 docs I have.

My A3000UX shipped (early 1990) with System V R4 V2, at least as far as I could tell when I became the second owner in 1996. There was also the "earlier" model, A2500UX, which as far as I understand actually came after the A3000UX.