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prime
April 30th, 2016, 08:14 AM
Hi all,

I thought whilst I had my vintage PC gear out I'd test the 8 and 16 bit VGA cards I have in my recently repaired 5150 board to see if they worked.
Below are pictures of the cards that work.

Modem7, if you want to pinch these for your compatibility list feel free.

The first two are 8 bit cards, I have a couple of the WDC ones actually built into machines and they work well.

The first one has "Copyright WAVE Mate Inc", but no model no or anything, main chip seems to be Intel.
30946

This one is a WDC board, There are two similar boards on http://www.minuszerodegrees.net/ that appear to be the 16 bit version of this.
30947

Bioes for the above two : 30961

The next bunch are 16 bit cards all of which seemed to work in their default configuration.

These two are marked OCTEC, one has a Triedent 8800 and the other a Trident 8900 chip
30942
30943

Bioses : 30962


30941
30940
30944

16 bit bioses 30963

This last card would only work with a V20 CPU so I suspect it uses 186/286 instructions.
Marked Wang 3050
30945

Bios 30964

Cheers.

Phill.

prime
April 30th, 2016, 08:16 AM
And here's the BIOS files....

Humm for some reason it won't let me upload the zip file with the bioses in.....

Cheers.

Phill.

SomeGuy
April 30th, 2016, 09:53 AM
This forum won't attach anything larger than 99k. Perhaps split the zips up.
You might also try tinyupload instead.

Also, do you have the exact names of each of these cards?

fs5500
April 30th, 2016, 10:15 AM
I also have VGA Card (OAK 16bit ISA / WD 16bit ISA).
I think most of 16bit ISA VGA works on IBM PC 5150 / 5160 motherboard.

SomeGuy
April 30th, 2016, 10:58 AM
Many, yes. But not all, and it gets frustrating when trying to fix a computer and you don't know if a card is really supposed to work.

For reference, another thread on the subject:
http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?26432-8bit-Friendly-ISA-VGA-cards

And another list here:
http://minuszerodegrees.net/5150/vga/5150_vga.htm

Stone
April 30th, 2016, 11:43 AM
I think most of 16bit ISA VGA works on IBM PC 5150 / 5160 motherboard.I know that's not the case.

I have a stack of 16-bit ISA VGA cards that don't.

And, I have several that work fine on the 5160 but not at all on the 5150. :-)

SomeGuy
April 30th, 2016, 11:56 AM
I have a stack of 16-bit ISA VGA cards that don't.

And, I have several that work fine on the 5160 but not at all on the 5150. :-)
Stone, have you documented these somewhere? It would even be good to have a list of cards known NOT to work.

There was a thread recently where someone else had a card that works on a 5160 but not 5150. But I still find that odd as the only significant difference I am aware of is a 5150 reserved range of I/O ports (that cause problem for IDE related stuff). Of course the first rev 5150 BIOS doesn't count because a later version is a well known minimum requirement.

prime
April 30th, 2016, 12:50 PM
This forum won't attach anything larger than 99k. Perhaps split the zips up.
You might also try tinyupload instead.

Also, do you have the exact names of each of these cards?

That seems insane, especially considering the size of the image files :)

Cheers.

Phill.

SomeGuy
April 30th, 2016, 02:00 PM
If you look closely you will notice that all large image attachments are recompressed by the forum software so they are about 99k. With JPGs that is usually not too noticeable, but it messes up large PNGs. Just re-download the images you posted above and look at the file size.

Stone
April 30th, 2016, 02:24 PM
Stone, have you documented these somewhere? It would even be good to have a list of cards known NOT to work.

There was a thread recently where someone else had a card that works on a 5160 but not 5150. But I still find that odd as the only significant difference I am aware of is a 5150 reserved range of I/O ports (that cause problem for IDE related stuff). Of course the first rev 5150 BIOS doesn't count because a later version is a well known minimum requirement.I mentioned that not to long ago. (It's version 3.)

I will put a list together of what I have that doesn't work on my 5160 and the card I have that does work on the 5160 but not on the 5150.

modem7
April 30th, 2016, 02:54 PM
Modem7, if you want to pinch these for your compatibility list feel free.
I will add this to my to-do-list.

fs5500
April 30th, 2016, 08:48 PM
Thanks very much for BIOS.
I think "CL-GD5401.ROM" seems to be strange. (maybe bad dumped or bad combined.)

I attached fixed rom.

Krille
May 1st, 2016, 12:30 AM
This last card would only work with a V20 CPU so I suspect it uses 186/286 instructions.
Marked Wang 3050
30945

Bios 30964

I have that card too and just like yours it's got a bunch of those patch wires. I guess they had problems with manufacturing these which might also explain why my card died of what appeared to be bad VRAM. In text mode it would suddenly emit spots of random characters with random attributes and a CLS would fix it initially but as time went by (over the course of a couple of weeks) it would appear more frequently and with bigger spots until it was unusable and I had to replace it. Which is kind of sad because it's the original VGA card for my Wang Microsystems PC 250/16.