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ThisPostContainsComputers
November 6th, 2016, 08:37 PM
Hello,

Earlier today I went to pick up a nice IBM System/36 5360 from someone down in Milwaukee.

A few hours ago I finally got the beast home and in my garage, and it has been an "interesting" ordeal...

First thing first the machine did survive in one piece, thought the diskette magazine drive seems to have rattled a few things loose. Unfortunately somehow, the front two wheels of the unit punched through the floor the the rental trailer and out the other side (!?!). Other than that, its fine.

It came with many boxes, including boxes full of manuals and 8 inch floppies. There are many manuals including manuals for S/36 PCs, S/36 5360s, and a set of what looks like technical manuals. There is also a few disk magazines and many diskettes.

I haven't had time to go though all of these in depth and will update the post when I do so.

The machine is in great physical condition besides all the dust, the disk drive had a few parts knocked loose as I mentioned before but I got it all back in place (I think).

Honestly, looking at the power supply, it looks very old and very "scary". What precaustions should I take besides blowing all of the dust off before I attempt to power it on. I don't want this things cooking all my cards and burning down my garage...

Gallery: https://postimg.org/gallery/1eagrenf2/

I will use this thread for further questions I have on the system...

Thank you!

NeXT
November 7th, 2016, 03:29 PM
Ten years ago I would of said plug'er in and see if it IPLs. Minicomputers from IBM were a strange beast. Menu driven, twinax consoles, weird data formats and so on but the fact you basically have all the support documentation is a great start. I had my eyes on one a little over a decade ago that needed to be hauled out of a storage unit for free but the logistics were a bit....

Anyways, I really don't know of anyone except the Corestore (http://www.corestore.org/36.htm) who legit have one that's running in their collection. They're like an AS/400. They are quite business oriented so there's not much else to have fun with on them.

ThisPostContainsComputers
November 8th, 2016, 12:56 PM
Hello,

Finished cataloging most of the software on 8 inch floppies that came with it today:

IBM Diskette: "4234002 839902"
System Support Product Ident. MCODE DSKT01, 1/3
System Support Product Ident. MCODE DSKT01, 2/3
System Support Product Ident. MCODE DSKT01, 3/3
DAS/36-MRS Object Library, 1/4
DAS/36-MRS Object Library, 2/4
DAS/36-MRS Object Library, 3/4
DAS/36-MRS Object Library, 4/4
DAS/36-MRS Documentation Support Product
Getting Acquainted with DisplayWrite/36
S/36 System Support Program/Microcode Ident. CORSSRVU670549, 1/6
S/36 System Support Program/Microcode Ident. CORSSRVU670549, 2/6
S/36 System Support Program/Microcode Ident. CORSSRVU670549, 3/6
S/36 System Support Program/Microcode Ident. CORSSRVU670549, 4/6
S/36 System Support Program/Microcode Ident. CORSSRVU670549, 5/6
S/36 System Support Program/Microcode Ident. CORSSRVU670549, 6/6
PC Support/36. 1/3
PC Support/36. 2/3
PC Support/36. 3/3
S/36 DisplayWrite/36, 1/4
S/36 DisplayWrite/36, 2/4
S/36 DisplayWrite/36, 3/4
S/36 DisplayWrite/36, 4/4
DW/36 Language Dictionaries, 1/2
DW/36 Language Dictionaries, 2/2
System Support Program/Microcode Preventive Service PTFS Cumulative, 1/7
System Support Program/Microcode Preventive Service PTFS Cumulative, 2/7
System Support Program/Microcode Preventive Service PTFS Cumulative, 3/7
System Support Program/Microcode Preventive Service PTFS Cumulative, 4/7
System Support Program/Microcode Preventive Service PTFS Cumulative, 5/7
System Support Program/Microcode Preventive Service PTFS Cumulative, 6/7
System Support Program/Microcode Preventive Service PTFS Cumulative, 7/7
S/36 Query/36, 1/3
S/36 Query/36, 2/3
S/36 Query/36, 3/3
S/36 Base Communications, 1/2
S/36 Base Communications, 2/2
S/36 Utilities, 1/2
S/36 Utilities, 2/2
System Support Program/Microcode Corrective Service PTFS Delta 1703, 1/3
System Support Program/Microcode Corrective Service PTFS Delta 1703, 2/3
System Support Program/Microcode Corrective Service PTFS Delta 1703, 3/3
S/36 System Support Program Ident. MCODE DSKT01, 1/3
S/36 System Support Program Ident. MCODE DSKT01, 2/3
S/36 System Support Program Ident. MCODE DSKT01, 3/3
S/36 RPG II
S/36 DSPT
RTF DK3007, 1/5
RTF DK3007, 2/5
RTF DK3007, 3/5
RTF DK3007, 4/5
RTF DK3007, 5/5
Micro Code 5362, 1/3
Micro Code 5362, 2/3
Micro Code 5362, 3/3
S/36 System Support Program, 1/11
S/36 System Support Program, 2/11
S/36 System Support Program, 3/11
S/36 System Support Program, 4/11
S/36 System Support Program, 5/11
S/36 System Support Program, 6/11
S/36 System Support Program, 7/11
S/36 System Support Program, 8/11
S/36 System Support Program, 9/11
S/36 System Support Program, 10/11
S/36 System Support Program, 11/11
S/36 VASP 1/2
S/36 VASP 2/2
PC.IBMST Preupdate 1/?
PC.IBMST Preupdate 2/?


I have no idea if any of these disks are good, they have been stored in a box each in their own plastic bag and they look Ok but at the moment I have no way of testing them...

Thanks

FoothillsGeek
November 8th, 2016, 04:05 PM
Ten years ago I would of said plug'er in and see if it IPLs. Minicomputers from IBM were a strange beast. Menu driven, twinax consoles, weird data formats and so on but the fact you basically have all the support documentation is a great start. I had my eyes on one a little over a decade ago that needed to be hauled out of a storage unit for free but the logistics were a bit....

Anyways, I really don't know of anyone except the Corestore (http://www.corestore.org/36.htm) who legit have one that's running in their collection. They're like an AS/400. They are quite business oriented so there's not much else to have fun with on them.

Is CoreStore still around? Their website has been updated in years it seems like.

NeXT
November 8th, 2016, 04:06 PM
Wow. That's a fairly complete set of support disks. You really do have a nice and complete setup.


Is CoreStore still around? Their website has been updated in years it seems like.

Literally posted at the same time, lmao.
I know Mike (was that his name) drops in here from time to time and I swear I've seen him on the cctalk mailing list once or twice but otherwise I believe he's stopped actively maintaining the online version of the museum. His youtube account (abaduck) has also been stale for years. He might of thinned down on a few machines as last I heard they were on both sides of the Atlantic but I believe he still has a fair number of machines.

gslick
November 8th, 2016, 04:53 PM
I know Mike (was that his name) drops in here from time to time and I swear I've seen him on the cctalk mailing list once or twice but otherwise I believe he's stopped actively maintaining the online version of the museum.

Mike Ross has been active on the cctalk list within the last 3 or 4 days.

ThisPostContainsComputers
November 10th, 2016, 11:21 AM
Hello,

I finished cataloging all the manuals that come with the system:

IBM 5360 Manual, A1
IBM 5360 Manual, A2
IBM 5360 Manual, A3
IBM 5360 Manual, B1
IBM 5360 Manual, B2
IBM 5360 Manual, C1
IBM 6157 Tape Adapter Manual
IBM S/36 PC Utilities, Disks and Manuals
IBM System/36 VASP Manual
IBM System/36 System Security Guide
Decision Data 6502/04 Serial Printer Manual
Decision Data 3781 Display Station Manual
IBM S/36 PC Communications Feature Manual
IBM S/36 PC System Support Program Manual
IBM S/36 PC Programming With RPG II Manual
IBM System/36 Procedures and Commands Summary
IBM System/36 Procedures and Commands Summary (#2)
IBM System/36 Procedures and Commands Summary (#3, Shrink wrapped)
IBM System/36 Procesures and Commands Summary (Later Version?)
TwinView Elite 5250 Emulator for the IBM Personal Computer Running Windows Setup Guide
Attune Turbo XT Operating Manual
Hayes Smartmodem OPTIMA User's Guide
Sort Guide & Using Sys 36 Communications
Operating Your Computer (S/36?)
System Utilites & Messages (S/36?)
CRT Software Systems
IBM S/36 PC Utilites Manual
IBM S/36 PC System Support Program Planning Sort
IBM S/36 PC Utilities Manual
IBM S/36 PC System Support Program
IBM PC Support/36 Technical Reference
IBM Enhanced 5250 Emulation Program Version 2.1 Users Guide
PC Support/36 Users Guide
Guide to Operations Enhanced Display Station Emulation Adapter
IBM S/36 PC System Support Program Development Support (#1, Shrink wrapped)
IBM S/36 PC System Support Program Development Support (#2, Shrink wrapped)
IBM S/36 PC System Support Program Development Support (#3I, Shrink wrapped)
IBM S/36 PC Programming with RPG II
IBM S/36 PC Programming with RPG II (Smaller Version)
IBM S/36 PC System Support Program (All sorts of 5.25 disks)
IBM S/36 PC System Support Program Operation Configuration
IBM S/36 PC Utilites Manual
IBM System/36 5362 Setting Up Your Computer
IBM System/36 5362 Installing Your New Features
IBM System/36 Sort Guide
IBM System/36 Source Entry Utility Guide
IBM System/36 RPG II Messages
IBM System/36 Utilites Messages
IBM System/36 Creating Displays: Screen Design Aid And System Support Program
IBM System/36 Using System/36 Communications
IBM System/36 The System/36 Library Guide To Publications
IBM System/36 Planning For New Devices and Programming Avalible at Release 4 5360, 5362
DAS/ MRS Start Up Kit Manual
IBM Technical Bullitin Intermediate and Workstation Systems
IBM System/36 Using Your System Configuration
IBM Licensees of IBM System/36
Andrew IBM Enhanced Adapter Edition Setup Guide
Andrew ETU/36 Manual Set
IBM System/36 Updating to a New Release 5360, 5362
System Reference (S/36?)
RPG2 & Programming with RPG2 (S/36?)
CRT Software Systems (#1)
CRT Software Systems (#2)
CRT Software Systems (#3)
CRT Software Systems (#4)
CRT Software Systems (#5)
Using DisplayWrite/36
Datafile & Source Entry Utilites (S/36?)
System Configuation (S/36?)
System Problem Solving & Creating Display Stations (S/36)

That seems to be all of the manuals, while digging I found more 8 inch disks so I will update my previous post with it

Thanks!

Al Kossow
November 10th, 2016, 11:27 AM
Hello,

I finished cataloging all the manuals that come with the system:


the actual IBM part number and date is important
see bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/system36/ for examples

Kakemoms
November 25th, 2016, 09:29 PM
A little late, but congratulation on the acquisition!

I used to work on one of these and its a nice little beast. We had around 300 users on such a machine, some locally and some remotely (through 19200 baud modems).

Its hard to remember all the software, but I remember the OS coming on a large number of diskettes. We had magazines to put 10 diskettes into, and I think there were three or four magazines required to get it up to speed (30-40 diskettes). Most were probably additional software (compilers and such).

The RPG2 disks are the Report Programming Language (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_RPG_II) software. Basically a compiler. Its a very strange programmings language compared to serial programs or object oriented code. Anyway it was very good at doing what it was meant for: Handling very large databases with many users. You had to call the compiled RPG2 programs from a scripting language (that later evolved to SQL) or menus that could be built by the programmer to make user interaction easier.

I even had my first gopher surfing on this system. Very pre-www, but still did its job! :bigups:

corestore.org
December 5th, 2016, 11:13 AM
Someone paging me? :-)

I am a bit of a specialist in the S/3x line... I have had them all running and in fact just powered my 5360 up recently for the first time in a good while. An early poster got it right... make sure there are no obvious shorts or loose boards etc. then power it right up.

If it was something older or more fragile I wouldn't suggest this. If it was something other than IBM I'd be hesitant to suggest it. But these machines were built like the proverbial brick sh!thouse. One of my System/38s rolled off the tail lift of a truck - fell ~4ft onto the road. Landed on its back. I had to attach a rope to the tow bar of my car to 'winch' it upright - even bigger and heavier than the 5360! The damage consisted of fractured cast alloy hinges for the rear doors. That's all. Checked it out - powered it on - came right up.

Yes the Corestore website is disgracefully in need of a refresh! The collection was a bit spread out for few years - but four years ago we moved lock stock and barrel to New Zealand and the collection is finally all consolidated in one place and actively being worked on. Currently smoke-testing a range of pdps and half-way through a restoration of a rather ratty PERQ-1. Problem with my big IBM kit is that they were all collected in the USA - and most of them are really very keen on 60Hz power... and NZ is a 50Hz country. That's a problem for ferroresonant power supplies especially - so I need... something. A 60Hz diesel genny or a rotary or static frequency converter... and I need 3 phase for the bigger lumps!

Mike