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RichieRich215
December 19th, 2016, 12:36 PM
Is there anyone who can tell me what i have and possibly the values i hate to scrap something that is worth saving and possibly selling,thanks again rich......3484934850348513485234853

Rick Ethridge
December 20th, 2016, 05:11 AM
One of the computers is a Gateway 2000 Pentium 66 MHz probably has Windows 3.1 or Windows 95. I don't recognize the other. Probably a locally-built 486 or early Pentium system.

krebizfan
December 20th, 2016, 05:26 AM
You will need to open the cases and determine what hard drives, memory, and expansion cards are in each system. Knowing which processor is in the Genson box might help.

The one part that tends to bring good return with minimal shipping cost is the combo floppy drive in the Gateway. I hope you have original packaging for the systems or increase your price enough to permit adequate protection.

SomeGuy
December 20th, 2016, 05:56 AM
That second system is a generic "no name" system with what was probably a local retailer or integrators name stamped on it. The contents of these kinds of systems can range from cheap budget systems to once high end gaming systems, and that is where the real value is.

Just a few thoughts at a glance:
That second machines is probably a generic AT form case. And it has a speed LED readout. These are fairly desirable on eBay.
As pointed out, those dual 3.5"/5.25" drives sell for a bit by themselves.
The half height 5.25" drive looks like a 1.2mb Teac - that is an easy ~$20 by itself.
Not sure the tape drives by themselves are worth much but they add to the "vintage" appearance of the machine.
Individual installed components inside the machine will affect the value.

You should clean up the machines as best you can. Be sure to post pictures of the back and the insides. Condition on these kinds of machines is important. Is there rust anywhere on the case? If so it might be better to part them out.

RichieRich215
December 20th, 2016, 08:03 PM
Thanks a lot guys this is why i joined a forum for information like this.Tomorrow i will open them both up and take pictures of the insides so i can better inform you on whats under the hood.Thanks a lot....Rich

RichieRich215
December 20th, 2016, 08:06 PM
I also forgot to add that i have never seen a computer with a lock cylinder for a key.Is this to make it more secure,Without the key it would not boot up?
Thanks....Rich

RichieRich215
December 21st, 2016, 05:18 PM
Here is the Modem with the Genson marking on it.34903349043490534906349073490834909349103491134 912349133491434915349163491734918

RichieRich215
December 21st, 2016, 05:23 PM
This is the gateway3491934920349213492234923349243492534926349 27349283492934930349313493234933

Doug G
December 21st, 2016, 10:13 PM
I also forgot to add that i have never seen a computer with a lock cylinder for a key.Is this to make it more secure,Without the key it would not boot up?
Thanks....RichKey locks are pretty common on server-class PC's. Sometimes the key was necessary to turn the power switch on, sometimes the key just locked a cover over the panel buttons. I have a couple Dell Poweredge 2500 servers here, they have a metal front hinged cover with a keylock.

RichieRich215
December 22nd, 2016, 09:33 AM
Is any of this stuff actually worth anything I think Iam just going to break them down rather then leaveing them intact.krebizfan,someguy and Rick could any of yous further tell me about the pictures posted, any value or should o say significant value let me know ASAP.
Thanks again....Rich

HoJoPo
December 22nd, 2016, 09:16 PM
The Pentium 66 Gateway system is somewhat collectable as it is a name OEM and the fastest first Pentium introduced. Some of the topped out 486-100 systems were faster for most things except floating point, which the Pentium did much better. It would be a good Windows 95 machine, or a good Novell/Windows NT 3.51 server, if you wanted to keep things about the era it was built. OS/2 would also run nicely on it.

krebizfan
December 22nd, 2016, 10:17 PM
It is a nice collection. Both systems are close to fully loaded for their time period so should be desirable. Please consider trying to sell them as complete systems. Shipping will be expensive.

If you part it out, a combo drive often sells for $50 to 100; the 5.25" drive will be less; most of the cards and hard drives seem fairly standard so offering them for maybe $10 to $20 could be a good starting point. The internal modem cards have no value and 3.5" floppy drives are still quite cheap. Cards and drives need careful packaging to arrive in a working state. You may get more money selling off parts but you will be putting in a lot more effort to do it.

SomeGuy
December 23rd, 2016, 05:11 AM
From the photos, the generic AT case seems to be in decent condition. Is that a CMOS battery pack attached sitting in the bottom of the case? I can't see the entire motherboard but it looks like has no on-board battery, and that is a major plus as it looks like there has been no battery damage to the motherboard. I also see the words "California USA". I'd try and get the part number for this board if it has one printed on it. Is that a 486 board?

The video card is an ET4000 based Diamond Speedstar ISA card. That is a good card.

As I mentioned these clones ranged from budget to gaming, and I'd call this one more of a "business" class, somewhere in between.

It would be best to try to sell this one whole. I think there would be a good amount of interest in this, specifically because of the case.

Because these literally have no name it is hard to search eBay, but glancing at eBay sold prices for similar items seem to be all over the place ranging around $50 to $200. Given the pluses, perhaps ~$150+SH? Perhaps a bit higher if it cleans up really well and is shown to work.

You did not show pictures of the back of the Gateways case, but those cards look like they have some corrosion on them. I don't see any sold towers but Gateway 2000 desktops seem to also sell around $150, sometimes more if they are in really good condition. Whole would be better, but if there is a lot of visible external corrosion, it might need to be broken down.

If you list them on eBay, you probably want to decide how much you want for them and list as "buy it now".

KC9UDX
December 23rd, 2016, 06:07 AM
All "clone" machines had locks for a long time. The lock disables the keyboard. The idea being that you could run a UNIX server and disallow local console abuse.

Scali
December 23rd, 2016, 06:19 AM
All "clone" machines had locks for a long time. The lock disables the keyboard. The idea being that you could run a UNIX server and disallow local console abuse.

On some cases the lock would also prevent you from opening the case. Presumably to avoid unauthorised personnel from tampering with the hardware, or to prevent theft.

Krille
December 26th, 2016, 09:57 AM
Here is the Modem with the Genson marking on it.

Would that be... the mother modem? *ba dum tss* :happy2: :lolsign: (sorry for swedish inside joke)

Seriously though, that looks like a very nice, complete system. It would be a shame to part it out.

KC9UDX
December 26th, 2016, 10:26 AM
On some cases the lock would also prevent you from opening the case. Presumably to avoid unauthorised personnel from tampering with the hardware, or to prevent theft.

After some thought, did not the 5170 come with a case lock that both locked the case shut and disabled the keyboard? If so, that's why all the clones had them.

Chuck(G)
December 26th, 2016, 10:34 AM
Yes. There were also variations on this. For example, I have a MAD Intelligent Systems case with a single keylock--one position is power off and case removal (there's a cam that engages the front panel to lock the case on), the next position is on, but locked--keyboard disabled, the third position is normal run and the fifth is a momentary contact for reset. Very clvever, but woe betide you if you loose the keys!

essay
January 17th, 2017, 06:34 AM
I hope you have original packaging for the systems or increase your price enough to permit adequate protection.

KC9UDX
January 17th, 2017, 01:25 PM
Yes. There were also variations on this. For example, I have a MAD Intelligent Systems case with a single keylock--one position is power off and case removal (there's a cam that engages the front panel to lock the case on), the next position is on, but locked--keyboard disabled, the third position is normal run and the fifth is a momentary contact for reset. Very clvever, but woe betide you if you loose the keys!

Oh I know! When this happened to me, I thought the keys would be pretty generic. Not so, at least not in my case. And no locksmith that I called would touch it, being a big, scary, powered-on computer. Fortunately, the key turned up eventually. I was getting close to using cutting tools.

lutiana
January 17th, 2017, 01:52 PM
Oh I know! When this happened to me, I thought the keys would be pretty generic. Not so, at least not in my case. And no locksmith that I called would touch it, being a big, scary, powered-on computer. Fortunately, the key turned up eventually. I was getting close to using cutting tools.

This was my experience with them back in the day, it seemed like almost all the generic cases I worked on had a keylock, but more than that they all used the same key regardless of who actually made the case.

essay
January 27th, 2017, 04:21 AM
It is a nice collection. Both systems are close to fully loaded for their time period so should be desirable.