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fjk61011
May 13th, 2017, 06:55 AM
Need help IDing a Mouse and what looks like a serial card for it.

Switch on mouse says MS AM or PC AT.


38460

38460

38461

3846238462

SomeGuy
May 13th, 2017, 07:43 AM
It sounds like a generic serial mouse. The switch switches between Mouse Systems protocol and Microsoft serial protocol.

The labeling is always confusing because both can be abbreviated as "MS", and mice of both protocols were sold under various names. Usually MS means Mouse Systems, and PC refers to "PC Mouse", that I seem to recall was a common brand for Microsoft compatible serial mice.

Keep in mind that Mouse Systems was the first to produce mice for IBM PCs, and the first Microsoft mice used a Bus protocol and special adapter card, not serial.

fjk61011
May 13th, 2017, 07:49 AM
It sounds like a generic serial mouse. The switch switches between Mouse Systems protocol and Microsoft serial protocol.

The labeling is always confusing because both can be abbreviated as "MS", and mice of both protocols were sold under various names. Usually MS means Mouse Systems, and PC refers to "PC Mouse", that I seem to recall was a common brand for Microsoft compatible serial mice.

Keep in mind that Mouse Systems was the first to produce mice for IBM PCs, and the first Microsoft mice used a Bus protocol and special adapter card, not serial.

I've trying to get it working but think I have IRQ conflicts.

Chuck(G)
May 13th, 2017, 07:50 AM
Sounds like a bus mouse. Got a photo?

fjk61011
May 13th, 2017, 08:02 AM
Sounds like a bus mouse. Got a photo?

38463

38464

38470

Card says Mouse Systems 301035-001 REV c

thhe markings on the card give jumpers for COM 1 or COM 2

Chuck(G)
May 13th, 2017, 08:25 AM
It's a plain old serial card, although the addition of the voltage regulator is interesting. http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/Q0UAAOSwdGFYpSPb/$_1.JPG shows one without the regulator.

Try setting the card up as a normal serial card and testing it. You could have a bad line receiver/transmitter, (the 1488/1489 chips) which would not be uncommon.

fjk61011
May 13th, 2017, 08:33 AM
It's a plain old serial card, although the addition of the voltage regulator is interesting. http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/Q0UAAOSwdGFYpSPb/$_1.JPG shows one without the regulator.

Try setting the card up as a normal serial card and testing it. You could have a bad line receiver/transmitter, (the 1488/1489 chips) which would not be uncommon.

I guessing then that the mouse is a serial mouse but I can't remember if I got the card and mouse together.

I have nothing to test the COM Port with, other than see does MSD detect the card.

EDIT:

I have an AST SixPackPlus with a 25 pin COM Port. I'm waiting on a 25 Pin to 9 Pin adapter to arrive from China, so as I can test the Mouse.

fjk61011
May 13th, 2017, 08:40 AM
The FCC ID on the mouse gives

FCC ID IOWCM-290F
IOW-CM-290F, IOW CM290F, IOWCM-290F, IOWCM-29OF, I0WCM-290F, 1OWCM-290F
Chic Technology Corporation Three button mouse

Chuck(G)
May 13th, 2017, 09:27 AM
Originally a Taiwanese manufacturer, Chic is now a mainland outfit, manufacturing lots of cheap keyboards and mice.

Their old Taiwanese site was www.chic.com.tw--you can probably find relevant pages on archive.org's wayback machine. My recollection is that regular generic serial mouse drivers should work fine.

fjk61011
May 13th, 2017, 09:59 AM
Originally a Taiwanese manufacturer, Chic is now a mainland outfit, manufacturing lots of cheap keyboards and mice.

Their old Taiwanese site was www.chic.com.tw--you can probably find relevant pages on archive.org's wayback machine. My recollection is that regular generic serial mouse drivers should work fine.

I have a 5.25" floppy with drivers on it.

SomeGuy
May 13th, 2017, 10:28 AM
I should mention I have three or four mice that look exactly like this in my closet somewhere (not sure if it is the same company) and they are all DEAD. Somehow the optical sensors in them eventually all stopped operating, and they all died in the exact same way. I've been meaning to investigate and try to repair them because I find that protocol switch handy. A mouse driver might recognize them but you won't see more than button presses. I'd be a tad surprised if yours isn't also dead.

But that serial card is kind of interesting, especially since it is Mouse Systems branded, but also because it lets you choose all kinds of different IRQ settings. Early Mouse Systems mice took power from an external power brick, not the serial port. Can't quite tell if that regulator is related to providing mouse power.

Stone
May 13th, 2017, 10:36 AM
I have nothing to test the COM Port with, other than see does MSD detect the card.CheckIt v3.0 along with a loopback plug does a good job on both serial and parallel ports.

fjk61011
May 13th, 2017, 12:12 PM
CheckIt v3.0 along with a loopback plug does a good job on both serial and parallel ports.
No looPback plug

Stone
May 13th, 2017, 12:26 PM
They're quite simple to make.

Chuck(G)
May 13th, 2017, 12:34 PM
Look at figure A-12 (https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19957-01/819-6456/AppendixA.html#24287)

fjk61011
May 14th, 2017, 06:37 AM
Look at figure A-12 (https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19957-01/819-6456/AppendixA.html#24287)

I'll tackle that during the week.

EDIT:

I've no female plugs. :(

EDIT 2:

I've ordered two ready made. Serial 9 pin and 25 pin. Parallel.

fjk61011
May 18th, 2017, 04:45 AM
I got a Microsoft Serial Mouse and it works now.