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KLund1
August 20th, 2017, 09:52 PM
Where to get Keypro systems disks?
There is Daves Old Computers. He has all teh files I can want. But those are in IMD format. It looks like a major pain to get them on disk a real disk. I have a win98se machine with 360K 5.25" drive. But I think his ImageDisk program needs DOS6.22.
So I have to download from main PC to USB portable drive. Save on from USB drive to win98se C:\ Then boot to DOS 6.22 and run imagedisk, and hope it all works.
Isn't there a Windows 98x program that can do it all?

jltursan
August 20th, 2017, 10:48 PM
IMD runs great under Win98's msdos console, you have the right setup.

ppcmini
August 21st, 2017, 02:41 PM
Google humongous cp/m. search there.

Chuck(G)
August 21st, 2017, 03:41 PM
Just restart Win98 in MS-DOS mode (part of the shutdown menu). Do your IMD dirty work. If you need to return to GUI mode, just type "win". IMD doesn't understand long file names, but should otherwise run fine under MSDOS 7 (what Win98 is based on).

Druid6900
August 22nd, 2017, 06:46 AM
It depends on what models of the computers you have.

I know when I was making up a complete set of "with purchase" disks for a client of mine, one of the early Kaypro units had single density diskettes and that requires a disk controller that will write in single density. They were in IMD as well.

For my Media Creation service, I have to use several programs, depending on the format the images are in and the desired output (standard multiples of 90, or strange sector number and size) to get the diskettes made up.

KLund1
August 23rd, 2017, 07:19 PM
Thanks
I got IMD working. The Ctrl-Enter turned on an old light bulb in my head!
Now I can make disks for older machines.
I am now working with a Kaypro 10
Here is a list of file names from Dave's site

40432

They mean nothing to me. His files are all like this.
The read me file is also cryptic. At least to a nube like me.

anyone have files descriptions to match?
Also in Dave's program IMD should I use 'Double Step" = off?, and 40 tracks, and leave all the rest of the setting alone?
Thanks

ldkraemer
August 24th, 2017, 04:38 AM
KLund1,
The Setup in IMD will be determined by what PHYSICAL Floppy is attached to the Computer. A 360K Floppy will be 48 TPI and 40 Tracks. There are also
96 TPI (80 Track) Floppy's. If you are using a 1.2M Floppy, which is 80 Track, to write a 360K floppy then you would turn on Double Step because you
want to write ONLY 40 tracks. (But this isn't a smart thing to do because the of the Width if the Data written by the HD Head on the Media.)

The other settings will make sense as you use the IMD software a bit. Image disk also has several utilities IMDU, IMDV, IMDA, ANY2IMD, BIN2IMD,DMK2IMD,
and TD02IMD.

They all work wonderful.


As an example, I used DOSBox in Linux to see what was contained in a file named KAYSYSTM.TD0, because I have no clue what
is in that TELEDISK Archived .TD0 file.

TD02IMD KAYSYSTM.TD0 > KAYSYSTM.TXT

TD 1.5 5.25-96 LD MFM D-step, 1 sides ADV 19/11/1997 8:27:30
Kaypro 2 System Disk - SS/DD - 180K
40 tracks, 400 sectors converted.

So, now I know a bit more about the image.


imdu KAYSYSTM.IMD KAYSYSTM.RAW /B /E /D >> KAYSYSTM.TXT

IMageDisk Utility 1.18 / Mar 07 2012
IMD TD 1.5 5.25-96 LD MFM D-step, 1 sides ADV 19/11/1997 8:27:30

Kaypro 2 System Disk - SS/DD - 180K

Assuming 1:1 for Binary output
0/0 250 kbps DD 10x512
0 8 3 6 1 9 4 7 2 5
D D D D D D D D D D
1/0 D D DE5 D D D00 D DE5 DE5 D
2/0 D00 D D D D00 D D D D00 D
3/0 D D D D D D D D D D
4/0 D D D D D D D D D D
5/0 D D D D D D D DE5 D D
6/0 D D D D D D D D D D
7/0 D D D D D D D D D D
8/0 D D D D D D D D D D
9/0 D D D D D DE5 D DE5 D D
10/0 D D D D D D D D D D
11/0 D D DE5 D D D D D D D
12/0 D D D D D D D D D D
13/0 D D D D D D D D D D
14/0 D D D D D D D D D D
15/0 D D D D D D D D D D
16/0 D D00 D D D D D D D D
17/0 D D D D D D D D D D
18/0 D D D D D D D D D DE5
19/0 D D D D D D D D D D
20/0 D D D D D D D D D D
21/0 D D D D D D D D D D
22/0 D D D D D D D D D DE5
23/0 D D D D D D D D D D
24/0 D D D D D D D D D D
25/0 D D D D D D D D D D
26/0 D D D D D D D D D D
27/0 D D D D DE5 D D D D D
28/0 D D D D D D D D D D
29/0 D D D D D D D D D D
30/0 D D D D D D D D D D
31/0 D D D D D D D D D D
32/0 D D D D D DE5 D D D D
33/0 D D D D D D D D D D
34/0 D D D D DE5 D D D D DE5
35/0 D D D D D D D D D D
36/0 D D D D DE5 D D D D DE5
37/0 D D D D D D D D D D
38/0 D D D D D D D D D D
39/0 D DE5 D D D DE5 D D D D
40 tracks(40/0), 400 sectors (22 Compressed)

Now, I have even more information, along with a .RAW file that will allow me to use cpmtools to get
a directory listing of the image.

larry@debian:~/Downloads/cpmtools/cpmtools-2.21$ cpmls -f kay2 -D KAYSYSTM.RAW
Name Bytes Recs Attr update create
------------ ------ ------ ---- ----------------- -----------------
ASM .COM 8K 64
CONFIG83.COM 8K 62
CPY .COM 4K 25
CURSOR .COM 2K 5
D .COM 4K 24
DDT .COM 6K 38
DISK4TST.COM 4K 21
DU-87 .COM 8K 59
DUMP .COM 2K 4
ED .COM 8K 52
FILTER .COM 4K 24
INITDISK.COM 6K 37
LOAD .COM 2K 14
MODEM903.COM 16K 127
MOVCPM .COM 10K 76
NEWTR .COM 14K 101
NSWEEP .COM 8K 50
NULU12 .COM 16K 120
PIP .COM 8K 58
PRINT .COM 12K 95
PROBE .COM 18K 131
SETDISK .COM 6K 41
SKEW .COM 2K 12
SOFT .SRC 2K 15
STAT .COM 6K 41
SUBMIT .COM 2K 10
SYS .COM 2K 7
SYSGEN .COM 2K 8
UNERA .COM 2K 8
USQ19 .COM 12K 96
XSUB .COM 2K 6
31 Files occupying 380K, 18K Free.
larry@debian:~/Downloads/cpmtools/cpmtools-2.21$

Now, you know exactly what is contained in the .TD0 Image. You also can access the .IMD Images the same way.
I've already sent you the link to the [HOWTO] for cpmtools. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=112244&hilit=[HOWTO]+Access

Adding files, deleting files, and extracting files can also be done several different ways.


Larry