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Bits
November 13th, 2017, 05:27 PM
Hello folks!

I discovered the FTP archives at ftp://ftp.oldskool.org/pub from posts here at VCFED and it has been an invaluable resource for DOS stuff!

However, when I look at the homepage (http://oldskool.org/) I see tons of gambling/casino links at the bottom which makes me wonder if the site has been hacked. A scan at VirusTotal comes up clean but since I never really looked at the home page (I bookmarked the FTP site) I'm not sure if it's been like that for a while or if this is a recent development.

Is the site still being maintained?

PS: The moderation/anti-spam system here at VCFED is brutal for new members so hopefully this gets posted. Fingers crossed!

mbbrutman
November 13th, 2017, 06:37 PM
Jim runs it and it should be safe, but the links are suspicious .. I've reported them to him directly by email.

ScanDisk
November 13th, 2017, 07:00 PM
Seems like advertising to me. Nothing surprisingly, they need to pay for it somehow.

Bits
November 13th, 2017, 07:53 PM
Seems like advertising to me. Nothing surprisingly, they need to pay for it somehow.

No problem with ads at all, just want to make sure these are legit.

Links like that tend to be a red flag of a compromise, although they would usually be masked or hidden with various HTML/CSS tricks so they're not actually displayed to the user since the intention is to improve SEO scores while hiding the fact that they're there from the site owner. Since these are visible, they may very well be legit.

Bits
November 13th, 2017, 08:02 PM
Jim runs it and it should be safe, but the links are suspicious .. I've reported them to him directly by email.

Thanks!

I just did a scan at Sucuri and it comes up with a warning:

https://sitecheck.sucuri.net/results/oldskool.org/

I'm sure the FTP area is fine though.

EDIT: It's complaining about this (https://safeweb.norton.com/report/show?url=oldskool.org) so probably nothing to worry about.

Trixter
November 14th, 2017, 09:24 AM
oldskool.org site admin here. The links are indeed legit and pay for many of my various oldskool PC activities, including hosting the tvdog archives, BBS/site mirrors, option board archives, and driver archives for the last ~20 years.

The advert links are an interesting story -- they contact me, not the other way around. I have never once solicited the business. I think oldskool.org is attractive for advertising from an SEO standpoint because oldskool.org has a high page ranking for some search terms (because it's been alive for 20 years).

Some fun stats: oldskool.org was registered in 1998, and ftp.oldskool.org currently holds 268G of data. In the last YTD, it's served up 14,000 files totally 223MB, and had 28,000 visitors.

Geekiestt 95
November 14th, 2017, 10:43 AM
If you aren't sure about a site

DO NOT

trust it.

Bits
November 14th, 2017, 11:57 AM
oldskool.org site admin here. The links are indeed legit and pay for many of my various oldskool PC activities

That is great news. Your FTP archives have been an absolute godsend and is much appreciated. Cheers! :thumbsup:

Trixter
November 14th, 2017, 01:33 PM
If anyone would like to officially mirror the FTP site, please be my guest. If you keep your mirror up to date, let me know and I can put your mirror in the FTP welcome message.

Caluser2000
November 14th, 2017, 01:55 PM
I've visited your ftp site on a number of times. Yeah it's quite comprehensive.

Caluser2000
November 14th, 2017, 02:03 PM
If you aren't sure about a site

DO NOT

trust it. Trixters pages have been up for years. There's no reason not to trust them.

evildragon
November 14th, 2017, 02:15 PM
This is specifically what's triggering it, NOT the ads: https://safeweb.norton.com/report/show?url=oldskool.org

It's Flopper. But this is Norton we are talking about, king of false negatives.

eeguru
November 14th, 2017, 02:27 PM
Trixters pages have been up for years. There's no reason not to trust them.

I don't trust him. Trixter is a trickster...

KC9UDX
November 14th, 2017, 03:10 PM
I've never seen that site before, but it sure doesn't look like anything I would avoid. (What little I know of Trixter, I would not worry at all anyway.)

If you don't trust a link, don't follow it. But if you see any of those links that you don't distrust, I assume you're helping the site by following them.

Bits
November 14th, 2017, 03:48 PM
This is specifically what's triggering it, NOT the ads: https://safeweb.norton.com/report/show?url=oldskool.org

It's Flopper. But this is Norton we are talking about, king of false negatives.

Plus, a fresh scan at VirusTotal (which includes Norton's scan engine) gives it a clean bill of health (https://www.virustotal.com/#/url/dccdc8871380f36e6d0470b794f1b0f3573b14113528648eeb eb2d84da9e61d2/detection) so that is probably an old scan of the file.

lutiana
November 14th, 2017, 04:28 PM
oldskool.org site admin here. <snip>

Some fun stats: oldskool.org was registered in 1998, and ftp.oldskool.org currently holds 268G of data. In the last YTD, it's served up 14,000 files totally 223MB, and had 28,000 visitors.

Do you host it yourself? Or is in someone else's cloud (like AWS or Google)?

Trixter
November 14th, 2017, 09:04 PM
I don't trust him. Trixter is a trickster...

I get that a lot.


Do you host it yourself? Or is in someone else's cloud (like AWS or Google)?

Self-hosted on co-located hardware at https://www.fdcservers.net/ . While my specific payment/services agreement is not available to others, they are very reasonable and have some great unmetered VPS deals (unmetered meaning you can transfer all you like with no overage charges).

hargle
November 15th, 2017, 04:49 AM
This is specifically what's triggering it, NOT the ads: https://safeweb.norton.com/report/show?url=oldskool.org

It's Flopper. But this is Norton we are talking about, king of false negatives.
ah man, not flopper!!!

As the author of that program, I swear upon my father's grave that it is not a virus. It's a floppy disk emulator, so it does use INT13 which is probably what is causing the scanner to think it's an oldskool (pardon the pun) boot sector virus.

KC9UDX
November 15th, 2017, 04:57 AM
It's a shame that the name Norton is still attached to that software. Peter Norton does not deserve this.

Trixter
November 15th, 2017, 08:42 AM
Don't cry too hard; he was one of the top 200 art collectors in the world by the year 2000, and hasn't been associated with "norton utilities" since 1990. He's doing just fine.

Stone
November 15th, 2017, 09:17 AM
That's why I only use Norton Utilities Advanced Edition v3.5. :-)

krebizfan
November 15th, 2017, 09:45 AM
That's why I only use Norton Utilities Advanced Edition v3.5. :-)

Interesting, though you may be in the wrong topic for that disclosure since NU v3.5 is a Mac only CD release.

Chuck(G)
November 15th, 2017, 10:25 AM
When MSDOS 5 included Central Point's virus scanner, a lot of people (myself included) were upset by the fact that it flagged all executables that had been compressed using DIET.

lutiana
November 15th, 2017, 10:29 AM
If anyone would like to officially mirror the FTP site, please be my guest. If you keep your mirror up to date, let me know and I can put your mirror in the FTP welcome message.

Oooh, I'll register the domain newoldschool.org and mirror it there.

Seriously though I may look at mirroring it on my home NAS, though I'm not sure how much of my 1Tb transfer cap it'd chew up. And most of the VPS places starting hitting $20+ per month for the space needed to completely mirror it. Hmm, maybe I can host it at work...

Stone
November 15th, 2017, 10:42 AM
Interesting, though you may be in the wrong topic for that disclosure since NU v3.5 is a Mac only CD release.Sorry, my BAD.

It's Norton Utilities Advanced Edition 4.50 1987-88.

KC9UDX
November 15th, 2017, 03:07 PM
Don't cry too hard; he was one of the top 200 art collectors in the world by the year 2000, and hasn't been associated with "norton utilities" since 1990. He's doing just fine.

Money isn't everything. I've run into plenty of people who blame him for the current software with his name, not realising he has nothing to do with it.

vwestlife
November 15th, 2017, 04:32 PM
Don't cry too hard; he was one of the top 200 art collectors in the world by the year 2000, and hasn't been associated with "norton utilities" since 1990. He's doing just fine.

But he stayed on the cover of Symantec products until 2001:

http://www.technologizer.com/2014/06/05/where-have-you-gone-peter-norton/

http://www.technologizer.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/nortonboxes.png

6885P5H
November 15th, 2017, 05:22 PM
I see that you are hosting the Olivetti pocket service guides that I found! Those are the exact same folders that I created on my computer. I'm guessing that 1ST1 shared them with you. That's very cool. I was looking for a reliable long-term way to put them online but wasn't sure how... Very cool. But you are missing many files that I have found since then. How do I send them to you?

Trixter
November 16th, 2017, 09:53 AM
But he stayed on the cover of Symantec products until 2001:

Of course, for marketing reasons.


I see that you are hosting the Olivetti pocket service guides that I found! Those are the exact same folders that I created on my computer. I'm guessing that 1ST1 shared them with you. That's very cool. I was looking for a reliable long-term way to put them online but wasn't sure how... Very cool. But you are missing many files that I have found since then. How do I send them to you?

Upload them to the /incoming directory and then drop me a line (email preferred) and I'll move them into the correct place. Make sure to specify BINary transfer :-)

Stone
November 16th, 2017, 10:19 AM
I've got this in mint condition:

http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/userdata/images/large/PRODPIC-1636.jpg (http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/userdata/images/large/PRODPIC-1636.jpg)