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GraceUGrad2006
January 27th, 2007, 05:13 PM
This is a topic that I have seen quite a bit about in the news and on television. Older actors are portraying the characters that were famous when they were younger for example
Rocky Balboa Sylvester Stallone
Live free or die harder-Bruce Willis
Harrison ford is currently making a new Indiana Jones
I saw Rocky Balboa and it was actually good I like Rocky movies though but not everyone will enjoy it like i do.
But anyway i was wondering about what you all thought about the trend of older actors bring back some vintage movies lol. I remember these movies from when i was a kid and i know allot of you grew up watching these too.
Another question to ponder is there any movie that you would like to see come back with the original actors?

Unknown_K
January 27th, 2007, 07:26 PM
I think stallon is doing a new Rambo also.

How about a new star wars with the original cast and a decent script (set 30 years later and a new empire rising out of the ashes).

I definatly want to see a sequel to The Thing with the 2 actors that survived the first movie.

Something could be done with the terminator showing how the world was almost destroyed.

CP/M User
January 27th, 2007, 07:54 PM
GraceUGrad2006 wrote:

This is a topic that I have seen quite a bit about in the news and on television. Older actors are portraying the characters that were famous when they were younger for example
Rocky Balboa Sylvester Stallone
Live free or die harder-Bruce Willis
Harrison ford is currently making a new Indiana Jones
I saw Rocky Balboa and it was actually good I like Rocky movies though but not everyone will enjoy it like i do.

But anyway i was wondering about what you all thought about the trend of older actors bring back some vintage movies lol. I remember these movies from when i was a kid and i know allot of you grew up watching these too.

I reckon it's interesting - obviously I have my limits because I've never been a Rocky fan purely because I'm no boxing person - I only enjoy it when it's a bunch of Footballers taking up the sport (because it's funny)! :-D

Not sure if another Rambo movie is coming out - their okay I guess, though it would have to be the first movie - First Blood which is the one to have, because the performance sly gives makes it so believable as a traumatised Vietnam soldier and in the end it's Richard Crenna to the rescue - I feel it's great stuff, though it's a bit weird making a few sequels - were Rambo is back into the action he was trying to get out of.

I'm waiting eagerly for the new Indiana Jones film - hopefully Spielberg and Lucas can pull it off convincingly without the smoke and mirrors!

Wasn't sure they were doing another Die Hard film - IMO the 3 they've done 1 & 3 were very good - 2 is good though it just seems to be a carbon copy of 1. Not sure if there's room for more.

Wasn't Clint Eastwood gonna do another Dirty Harry film?

Another question to ponder is there any movie that you would like to see come back with the original actors?

Well lets see - what characters are available and what would work in this "I'm getting too old for this ...." business?

Usually in the past it's been the older people used for Mystery, though Cop movies are another, though what you don't see a lot of is perhaps those Spy films the actors are getting younger. Alfred Hitchcock showed us in the 1930s that a spy can be someone who looks harmless & lovable and well aged with "The Lady Vanishes" - nowadays it's all young actors who look like they'll break your neck without question!

Just wanted to mention as well about the "The Worlds Fastest Indian" - gees that was a great film (sure no sequels to follow), though it's one of those films with an ageing Anthony Hopkins - I usually haven't enjoyed his films, though this would have to be one of those few exceptions - it's a great role playing movie without any gimmickry (well not much), having seen cool runnings (about the Jamaican Bobsleigh team) it's definitely in the same class.

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Terry Yager
January 27th, 2007, 09:26 PM
I was just discussing something similar with She yesterday. I wondered how come there's never been a remake, or even a sequel to the (1972?) movie Deliverance? As much money as that thing made, I can't believe no one has followed-up on it's success.

Just for sh!ts & giggles, I suggested that the sequel should be about a group of hillbillies going to the city and hunting down Burt Reynolds, Jon Voight, & (whatsisname, the 'porky' one), to avenge the killin' of thier kinfolk.

--T

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January 27th, 2007, 11:35 PM
Terry Yager wrote:

I was just discussing something similar with She yesterday. I wondered how come there's never been a remake, or even a sequel to the (1972?) movie Deliverance? As much money as that thing made, I can't believe no one has followed-up on it's success.

Well now, perhaps First Blood is some kind of a sequel - the layout is pretty much the same! :-D

Just for sh!ts & giggles, I suggested that the sequel should be about a group of hillbillies going to the city and hunting down Burt Reynolds, Jon Voight, & (whatsisname, the 'porky' one), to avenge the killin' of thier kinfolk.

Well if First Blood was some kinda of unofficial sequel it's about some drifter coming in and some unhappy coppers simply wanting to nail someone for a couple of Murders in the River country!

Ned Beatty looks a bit like Brian Dennehy. Personally I'm not sure how Deliverance would pull out as a sequel - it's quite bizarre how I came across this film too - obviously I know Bert Reynolds and Jon Voight as well as Ned Beatty (he was so good in those Superman movies) and Ronny Cox too. The first movie book I got (around 2000) just happen to include this film in the top 100 must-see films of all-time, based on that principal and because it was on DVD - I simply had to see what the fuss was all about.
For some reason this film is Rated <R> here (as well as the US - so you need to be over 18 or something in the public to see it unsupervised), though apart from the harpoon guns and funny characters - I thought it was fairly tame (bit like the Wicker Man - which had more nudity, which needs to warrant a higher classification - they thought it was highly violent burning Edward Woodward to the Sun Gods!), anyway my point being Deliverance is no more violent than Thunderball (made prior to classification - classified [PG] for the DVD) - perhaps I should watch Deliverance again cause I've seen lesser classified stuff which makes me highly uncomfortable.
Anyway now I've been through all of that - I've forgotten what else I was gonna say - oh yeah, Deliverance is so different from any other film I've ever seen, I reckon given that perspective any sequel to Deliverance would be overshadowed by Deliverance - there are perhaps been numerous films with the sort of characters you would find in Deliverance - even The Simpson's had a go at Deliverance and characters like Cletis(?) - the slacked jawed yokel.

I was just wondering what others thought about remakes - I guess to a point they work cause there are some fairly well known movies which date back to the Silent period - the introduction of sound was a big thing of course and of course nowadays it's all about computers - well perhaps it's been about the computers for quite some time when I watch some of those early Star Trek films & see what they did - their very technical pieces of film for the period they were done. I'm perhaps a bit purist though that if some great exists why remake it, they do a lot of this nowadays - they also seem to be running out of movie titles as well - e.g. some movie released last year (Bruce Willis was in it) called "The Wrong Man" - at first because I only saw it advertised in the Newspaper, I wondered if it was anything along the lines Alfred Hitchcock's "The Wrong Man" which is based on a true story with Henry Fonda being accused for a crime he didn't commit - a simple case of mistaken identity. Sure enough weeks later when I read about "The Wrong Man (2006)" it had nothing to do with being wrongfully accused.

I was trying to think of some films which characters need to return to - one of them which would be interesting is Michael Caine and the Harry Palmer character. They did these movies in the 60s (3 in all) based on 3 different books. The best of them was the first movie "The Ipcress File", however "Funeral in Berlin" and "Billion Dollar Brain" were good too. I would just love to see a slightly insubordinate character return to the screen back out of retirement complete with Black Glasses - they would have to bring back Guy Doleman too, though I've got a sad feeling he's passed over - I'm unsure they could replace Guy with anybody else. Interesting enough they did some cable TV followups in 1997 - "Bullet to Beijing" and "Midnight in St. Petersburg" that's all I know about them - nothing more about them include who's in them.

carlsson
January 28th, 2007, 02:04 AM
How about "The return of E.T." with a 30+ old Drew Barrymore, now having own children?

John Travolta in "Sunday Morning Hangover".
Robert De Niro in "Taxi Passenger".
Macaulay Culkin in "Home Alone 3: ???" (you fill in the subtitle)

Edlin
January 28th, 2007, 03:23 PM
I know Roger Moore was the original, but I would like to see Sean Connery play James Bond again. When my son was in 6th grade he picked out the most beat up locker I had ever seen, and then I realized why, it was 007.

GraceUGrad2006
January 28th, 2007, 04:20 PM
You have great taste i like sean too.when i was a teenager wanted to be a bond girl. of course i also wanted to marry paul mccartney but i know i have better odds winning the lottery than that happening.I think i was born in the: wrong decade becasue i was born 4 years after the beatles broke up :innocent2:
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Unknown_K
January 28th, 2007, 09:13 PM
You have great taste i like sean too.when i was a teenager wanted to be a bond girl. of course i also wanted to marry paul mccartney but i know i have better odds winning the lottery than that happening.I think i was born in the: wrong decade becasue i was born 4 years after the beatles broke up :innocent2:
angel


From the looks of it Marrying Paul McCartney is the same as winning the lottery, ask his ex about it when the settlement is done.

CP/M User
January 28th, 2007, 09:24 PM
Sandy Cagle wrote:

I know Roger Moore was the original, but I would like to see Sean Connery play James Bond again. When my son was in 6th grade he picked out the most beat up locker I had ever seen, and then I realized why, it was 007.

Errrr?!? No, Connery was the original Bond in Dr. No (1962), even George Lazenby predates Moore in 1969s On Her Majesty's Secret Service, and for those who wish to include David Niven in the Satire Spoof Casino Royale from 1967 - then so be it.

Perhaps Moore would have been the original if he didn't have The Saint to do.

The most interesting thing about Bond though was who the first person to appear at the start of Dr. No (with the Gun Sequence), unfortunately I cannot remember his name - though it was a stunt double (was documented in a documentary on Stunt Doubles which came with one of my JB - Moore DVDs).

carlsson
January 28th, 2007, 11:04 PM
It is too bad that 007 isn't more like the Phantom, in the respect that the agent title is inherited between generations. "James Bond" could just as well be an alias rather than his real name. If Ian Fleming had set it up like that, the old, retired 007 (Connery or Moore) could make an appearance handing over the duty to the new (now Craig) agent. Since the storyline anyway is updated to play in modern times, it would not be out of line. One might argue that agents 001-006 already had been used up, and that Daniel Craig by now should play agent 010 or so, but let's pretend that the first 007 was so successful that the secret service decided to establish it as a work title instead of just a numbering scheme.

In any case, Sean Connery did a comeback in "Never say never again" from 1983, which was received as a gimmick, perhaps even a joke. By now, there are far more fitting roles for him to play than James Bond. It is like there would be a re-make of either of the spaghetti western movies, still starring Clint Eastwood.

CP/M User
January 28th, 2007, 11:49 PM
carlsson wrote:

In any case, Sean Connery did a comeback in "Never say never again" from 1983, which was received as a gimmick, perhaps even a joke. By now, there are far more fitting roles for him to play than James Bond.

Yes funny I forgot to mention that (also have the DVD) of "Never Say Never Again", which is just a remake of Thunderball - for some reason there were some copyright issues presented and since movie makers like remaking stuff - they were able to remake "Never Say Never again" - don't know too much about it, perhaps Google or Wikipedia might be the ticket! :-D

"Never say Never again" though is dubbed as the unofficial Bond film though isn't it? Either that or Casino Royale (the original I mean with Nivs).

Speaking of remakes - only just thought about it because of Nivs being the Jewel thief, though has anyone seen the new Pink Panther movie?- from what I understand it wasn't well recieved. Just goes to show - Peter Sellers is still the best! :-D

It is like there would be a re-make of either of the spaghetti western movies, still starring Clint Eastwood.

Is it gonna be like "For a few dollars more" - except with Eastwood playing the old man now (replacing Lee Van Cleef) or some of the other old characters from those movies. It just wouldn't be the same - no Sergio Leone magic, sure movies like "Unforgiven" were good and Eastwood has also Directed some Western based stuff (e.g. High Plains Drifter, The Outlaw - Josey Wales, Pale Rider and Unforgiven), those Spaghetti westerns though will be highly tough to better!

Edlin
January 29th, 2007, 03:18 AM
Sandy Cagle wrote:

I know Roger Moore was the original, but I would like to see Sean Connery play James Bond again. When my son was in 6th grade he picked out the most beat up locker I had ever seen, and then I realized why, it was 007.

Errrr?!? No, Connery was the original Bond in Dr. No (1962), even George Lazenby predates Moore in 1969s On Her Majesty's Secret Service, and for those who wish to include David Niven in the Satire Spoof Casino Royale from 1967 - then so be it.

Perhaps Moore would have been the original if he didn't have The Saint to do.

The most interesting thing about Bond though was who the first person to appear at the start of Dr. No (with the Gun Sequence), unfortunately I cannot remember his name - though it was a stunt double (was documented in a documentary on Stunt Doubles which came with one of my JB - Moore DVDs).


I stand corrected, Sean was the first, I don't know why I thought Roger Moore was the first.

carlsson
January 29th, 2007, 03:32 AM
It seems the wild west genre moved on since then. Also, I remember the storylines in these movies were rather stretched. It is a series of events, where one leads to the next event and so on. It makes the movie a bit unpredicable, for better or worse.

Speaking about remakes, is Dallas (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0429966) 2007 put on hold? The IMDb entry claims the production company is looking for a new cast, new investors, new distributors and someone who can rewrite the script. To me, it sounds like everything is in limbo. John Travolta may be a big name, but not even him can carry the reputation of a whole movie project on his shoulders.

Maybe the Scientologist church should invest in the movie? How about this cast:

J.R. Ewing - John Travolta
Bobby Ewing - Tom Cruise
Pamela Barnes-Ewing - Katie Holmes (or is she yet way too young?)
Sue Ellen - Jennifer Lopez (she was rumoured to play the role anyway)
Kirstie Alley - hmmm.. Mrs Ellie? (nah, that was not nice)

and so on.. it could almost work!

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February 1st, 2007, 11:19 PM
Don't know how I came to start thinking about "Big Trouble in Little China" today. I don't think this movie did well at all and it's probably got a weak following to suggest not a lot of people like it. I'm just the complete opposite - sure the movie is different with Kurt Russell amongst the sorcery and swords flying around - it's got Hollywood written all over it basically!

It's the ending which I want to draw peoples attention between Kurt Russell and Kim Catrall, it was almost like they were meant to meet again and then Kurt (Jack I think his name is in the movie) steps back into his truck!

I just love the Kurt Russell character it strikes the same chord as Tommy Lee Jones in the Fugitive (which they revised for U.S. Marshall - sadly not to be as good as the Fugitive), it's the characters from "Big Trouble in Little China" which seemed to have been forgotten - perhaps it's not too late?

DoctorPepper
February 2nd, 2007, 08:41 AM
I totally agree! I love "Big Trouble in Little China". Unfortunately my wife isn't of the same opinion, so I usually have to watch it by myself :-)

Same with "Spaceballs" and "Johnny Dangerously". I absolutely love those movies and could watch them time and again. Of the three, my wife will only watch Johnny Dangerously though :-(

chuckcmagee
February 2nd, 2007, 08:47 AM
"Don't hurt her! The password is

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GraceUGrad2006
February 2nd, 2007, 12:14 PM
I loved spaceballs and Johnny Dangerously. I watched alot of movies when I was a kid so I have an appreciation for all types of movies there are some that I like more than others. I sometimes am a sucker for good tear jerker :cry: But my all time favorites are:lightsaber: Star Wars

CP/M User
February 2nd, 2007, 05:27 PM
Yes, Spaceballs has some great moments in it too, "Dark Helmet" and co. simply cheat by having a copy of Spaceballs (before the movie has actually finished), the vacum cleaner sucking all the air out of the planet (it could happen!), "We wait for nobody", "I can't breath in this thing!", Michael Winslow (they needed more of him! ;-) - it just seemed the baddies were funnier than the good guys - which is funny cause I usually consider John Candy to be a very amusing person.

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September 23rd, 2007, 10:28 PM
It just dawned upon me today, where is Chevy Chase? Don't seem to see Chevy much nowadays, the last film I recall seeing him in was that Vegas Vacation which was good, though enough already. The original Vacation film is the best along with the Christmas Vacation movie (though they play CV every year at christmas so it gets boring year after year!).

Though what I thought they should do instead is a new Fletch movie - CC was made to play that character! :-D

Sharkonwheels
September 23rd, 2007, 10:46 PM
I don't personally like the new Bond.

I was perfectly happy with Pierce Brosnan. Timothy Dalton (was that his name?) I really couldn't stand.

And, I'm sick to death of the Rocy crap already - I mean, seriously.
We gonna end up seeing Sly using a walker in his ring entrance with the entourage?

Enough is enough!


T

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September 23rd, 2007, 11:03 PM
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Michael Winslow

Strange thing that Michael Winslow was interviewed on a Where are they now programme simply called "Where are they now?" here in Australia! On that he mentioned the possibility of an Eight Police Academy movie!

Again I'm probably the only nut here which enjoys it to the standard it was set out to be in! ;-) Though 6 & 7 are a vague haze to me! :-( The movie I least enjoyed was 3 because it was merely a repeat of 1 - though it had some good moments (which every movie has).

If they were going to do an 8th Installment of Police Academy it would be interesting to see what comes from it, I'd like to see something new in this one given it's being a while since the last one came out (in the early 90s I think it was).

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September 23rd, 2007, 11:18 PM
Sharkonwheels wrote:

I don't personally like the new Bond.

I was perfectly happy with Pierce Brosnan. Timothy Dalton (was that his name?) I really couldn't stand.

I liked Pierce Brosnan, though I was really turned off Bond films after the World is not Enough cause of what critics made of Die another Day. Now it seems they want to make James Bond a Hollywood character and getting behind the Ian Flemming character. A lot of effort seems to be going into these James Bond films because it's like every couple of years a new film is done, back in the 60s when Sean Connery began it was like Dr. No in 1962, From Russia with Love in 1963, Goldfinger in 1964, Thunderball in 1965. Thunderball isn't quite in the same class as the first 3 films, -BUT- it's still a great film, however Dr. No, From Russia with Love and Goldfinger are your benchmark films, to roll them off as brilliant they after year after year shows how a simple film done in the 60s can be quite effective. Nowadays there's too much emphasis and it's the complicated state of these times which demands complicated films. Sadly though you can have all the special effects and a crap film! :-(

And, I'm sick to death of the Rocy crap already - I mean, seriously.
We gonna end up seeing Sly using a walker in his ring entrance with the entourage?

Yeah I agree, I was never really a Rocky fan, did they make a new Rocky film because Clint Eastwoods film (I've forgotten the name) was heaps better (according to Critics - so I didn't say that)? Personally I don't really enjoy Boxing films it's just not my cup of tea!

carlsson
September 24th, 2007, 04:03 AM
I don't think anyone seriously would compare Rocky with Million Dollar Baby. It is almost like comparing Star Trek with Apollo XIII.

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September 24th, 2007, 11:50 PM
carlsson wrote:

I don't think anyone seriously would compare Rocky with Million Dollar Baby. It is almost like comparing Star Trek with Apollo XIII.

Yeah, though people will compare anything with anything. The funny thing was I've only seen Apollo 13 once when it was at the Cinema and at when the movie had finished I heard a voice up the back saying this was heaps better than Jurassic Park!

Star Trek 2 - The Wrath of Khan & Apollo 13 are perhaps about as close as you'll get! :-D Both films having nail biting endings, though ST 2 had the Death of Spock! :-o I don't recall Tom Hanks sparing his life to save the ship! :-(

carlsson
September 25th, 2007, 01:57 AM
Sad smiley? You wish Tom Hanks' (character) had died?

CP/M User
September 25th, 2007, 02:18 AM
carlsson wrote:

Sad smiley? You wish Tom Hanks' (character) had died?

Oops - no, I was frowning because while Apollo 13 & Star Trek 2 have simular outcomes, Apollo 13 didn't (or I don't recall) have anybody dying to save the ship (not that I wanted Tom Hanks dead on arrival!). Of course everyone knows it all worked out just find for Spock! :-D Has any other series of movies ever done that?

carlsson
September 25th, 2007, 09:20 AM
Perhaps because Apollo 13 was based on a real event, they couldn't spice up the script too much. On the other hand, perhaps Star Trek also is based on real events, only that they will take place a few hundred years into the future so we wouldn't know. :-D

CP/M User
September 25th, 2007, 10:12 PM
carlsson wrote:

Perhaps because Apollo 13 was based on a real event, they couldn't spice up the script too much. On the other hand, perhaps Star Trek also is based on real events, only that they will take place a few hundred years into the future so we wouldn't know. :-D

There was a Space film done in the late 60s which was based on a True Story which managed to throw in the death of one of the three Astronauts - the movie is called Marooned, besides that the rest of the film was pretty dull (from what I last recall) - though I'm interested to see it again because I was pretty young when I saw it and generally wanted Action within a film! :-o While I've always realised Gregory Peck was in that film, Gene Hackman was a surprise!

candle86
October 13th, 2007, 10:30 PM
how about shatner and Nimoy comming back for Star Trek XI, this should be interesting to say the least

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October 13th, 2007, 11:29 PM
candle86 wrote:

how about shatner and Nimoy comming back for Star Trek XI, this should be interesting to say the least

I've only heard about Nimoy comming back for Star Trek XI, so does that mean that if Shatner is returning it'll be with the remaining gang (minus Doohan & Kelley)?

Will this make Kirk the better Captain Vs. Picard or does 3 Seasons of TV show make it inferior to 7 seasons of TNG! ;-)

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candle86
October 14th, 2007, 08:33 AM
the story for Star Trek XI is set after The Undiscovered Country and right before Generations. A klingon goes back in time to prevent Kirk from taking command of the Enterprise, and Kirk and spock pursue him back. They have to stop the Klingon, while not affecting the timeline and ensuring that Kirk's career isnt ended before he can take command.

Young Kirk and Young Spock are being played by two unnamed actors as of yet.

Anonymous Freak
October 14th, 2007, 09:10 AM
I thought "Young Spock" had been confirmed as Zachary Quinto? I know that Chris Pine as Kirk is only a rumor at this point, but I thought the others were actually confirmed (http://www.reuters.com/article/filmNews/idUSN1241119620071012)...

candle86
October 14th, 2007, 10:06 AM
hmm, well it does seem a few more where signed on since i last checked and my news letter hasnt been updated with this info on the movie, stupid ST.com.

Simon Penn looks nothing Like Scotty.

CP/M User
October 15th, 2007, 01:00 AM
candle86 wrote:

the story for Star Trek XI is set after The Undiscovered Country and right before Generations. A klingon goes back in time to prevent Kirk from taking command of the Enterprise, and Kirk and spock pursue him back. They have to stop the Klingon, while not affecting the timeline and ensuring that Kirk's career isnt ended before he can take command.

From the sounds of things, it seems a bit of a pity to make it a Klingon to go back into the past, rather than a Romulan or one of the Alien species featured in the TV show or perhaps Garry Seven which had the means of Time Travel (still I spose it's possible to do it in one of those Klingon flea traps as featured in ST IV!). I just thought Star Trek VI wrapped everything up into a neat little package, though I reserve my judgement til I see the movie. Just hope it doesn't end up as another Terminator 3 - which I felt T2 seemed to wrap up and now looks it'll move on into another movie.

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