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KC9KEP
May 12th, 2018, 04:39 AM
Hello all!

I'm back to the project of bringing my Jade Big Z and Double D FDC back to life. (not much luck so far .. )

I recall locating a source code listing for the Jade Big Z "Jade computer systems monitor 2.2B"
but I can no longer locate it!

Would anyone know where to find it?

The Big-Z Manual Rev C lists a "1K Version 2.0 9/10/79 Monitor", but I'm trying to locate the "2.2B" version ..

Copious thanks!

--Tom

James0555
May 12th, 2018, 05:41 AM
Maybe not exactly what you are looking for but maybe help you out or least get you close.

http://www.classiccmp.org/cpmarchives/cpm/Software/rlee/J/JADE/

Jim

KC9KEP
May 12th, 2018, 06:10 AM
Thank you Jim .. These are the 2.0 versions which I already have :-) I'll keep looking .. I know I saw it somewhere in the not too distant past :-(

Al Kossow
May 12th, 2018, 08:09 AM
Would anyone know where to find it?


It's probably on one of the diskettes from Gervin Herr that I have.
He's the guy that designed the Double-D
I'll see what I can find.

If you look at the manuals I've scanned from Jade on bitsavers, you'll see his personal notes in the backs of the manuals.

KC9KEP
May 12th, 2018, 10:51 AM
Wow! That would be great, Al. I know I've seen the source code for 2.2B on the WEB somewhere, but if one doesn't grab these things, they sometimes disappear! (I wondered who made those notes on the DD documentation! Now, I know :-) )

Dawsoca
May 12th, 2018, 04:07 PM
5/12/18
Hello Tom, I don't have the Jade Monitor ROM listing you are looking for so I don't know if this will help; but I gave up finding a working copy long ago and typed in the listing in the Jade Big Z manual based on version 2.0 A/B. This version is for general Monitor operation and file storage to Tarbell tape or Jade 1S2P I/O board tape. This listing does not work as there are errors mentioned in the Jade Engineering updates.
So, I started re-writing the code of the original and finally got it to a working format. I am not an accomplished assembly programer so the code is very un-optimized. What I have done is to comment extensively so that I could go back later and figure out what I did. The cassette routines don't work as I need to get a Tarbell card to test this.
The version 4.0A I have will boot the Jade Big Z system with a Jade DD controller, CompuPro RAM20 and a Jade Big Z CPU with the DD Boot ROM on a SSM PB1 card (programmer & ROM board). The Jade Memory Bank will work but I don't recommend it. In order for this to actually boot, many many modifications according to the Jade Engineering Updates have to be applied and the correct Floppy Drive has to be used. My Drive is a Shugart 851 with a Disk created from Dave Dunfield's Image Disk program which in itself is an adventure.
What I offer here, is a Modified Jade Monitor ROM Image based on Ver 2.0 A/B that can be compiled using the SLR Systems Assembler and burned to an EEPROM using a Wellon programmer. The Jade DD Controller has a separate Boot ROM at $F000 on another board that will load the Jade CP/M 2.2 system. Again, many things have to happen in the correct order to get a bootable Jade System. This Monitor Listing should allow you to either modify it or use it directly to boot into CP/M 2.2 using the "Disk" command or the "Run" at F000 command. This took me a long time to get working but if I can offer any insight I would be happy to help if I can.
>Charles
Attachments: photo1 photo2 txt45474

KC9KEP
May 13th, 2018, 07:27 AM
Charles,
Thank you for your comprehensive reply! I'll see if I have any luck with the code you had sent!
You know, I DO have an image (object code) of the rev 2.2B "Jade Computer Systems Monitor" that I have downloaded from an EPROM that someone else had programmed, years back. When I run it, it displays what I believe to be a EPROM checksum. I have discovered that it will accept such commands as: "D 0,100" to dump RAM contents from 0000H to 0100H etc. But, I haven't unraveled the code enough to learn what the other commands may be. Hence I was seeking the source code for 2.2B :-)
I can send a copy of the ".bin", ".hex", and a disassembled listing 2.2B that I offset to 0F000H so that the listing corresponds to the actual functional location. (I tried to add some comments to the disassembled code listing.) I can send a copy if I can figure out to attach a file in this forum?
Also, the 2.2B code was written to use USART locations 10H and 11H, so you'd need to patch those
locations if they are different on your machine (should you try to run this code).
Thanks again,
--Tom

KC9KEP
May 13th, 2018, 07:36 AM
Charles,
Here's some more information on what I'm working on:

I have three S-100 boards and one 8” floppy drive that I am trying to get to work together.
These used to work together in ~1985 except I may have used a Sugart 851 drive at that time. (I still have the drive, but the motor froze up in storage.) I am now using an 8” NEC FD-1165-FQ ˝ height drive (That ˝ height drive works correctly on my other S-100 CP/M using an “MCP (FDC) Controller”.)

The three boards I’m using are:
- Jade Big-Z CPU
- Jade Double D FDC
- And a 64K Tanner Computers Static Ram Board (I have disabled the upper 8K block)

I have loaded Jade’s DDBOOT.HEX into EPROM @ 0F000H. The only alterations I made to the code were to accommodate the CPU’s console/status ports.

When I reset the CPU, I see the message “INSERT SYSTEM DISKETTE”. When I insert the disk, the floppy drive motor runs, and heads load.. And that’s where the S-100 system stops.

Using my Z80 ICE in the Big-Z, I can “see” that the boot EPROM does reside at location 0F000H, and that CP/M’s system RAM is indeed read-write able from 0000H up to 0EFFFH.
Furthermore, I can trace the DDBOOT code enough to see that the “injection module” from the DDBOOT is being written into the onboard Double-D FDC RAM.

Also, with my scope, I can “see” data activity coming from the drive when heads are loaded.

I am assuming that I am using my old Jade 56K boot disk that is still good? (I would like to load and try Dave Dunfield’s Jade Boot IMD file, but am waiting for an appropriate FDC for my old ‘386 PC in order to create the 8” boot floppy on my ‘386 PC.)

A couple things I do not know right now: 1.) If my boot floppy is the correct one 2.) What the Double-D FDC controller is seeing that it does not like.

Thanks again!
--Tom

KC9KEP
May 13th, 2018, 07:54 AM
Charles,
I had this message before, but I may have done something wrong because I don't see it :-(
I have the .bin .hex and .lst files for Jade Computer System Monitor 2.2B that I recovered from an EPROM containing 2.2B
I don't know the command set outside of "D 0,100) to display memory.
I can send it if I can figure out how to attach files in this forum :-(
--Tom

Al Kossow
May 13th, 2018, 08:55 AM
I'll see what I can find.


I did a text scan of all of the related disk images, and uploaded anything with 'Jade' on them to
http://bitsavers.org/bits/Jade
It doesn't look like I have anything for the monitor.

Dawsoca
May 13th, 2018, 09:32 AM
5/13/18
Hello Tom, sounds like you have made great progress on getting your Jade DD card to boot CP/M. If you get the disk drive head to load you are 99% there. The only thing I can think of is to check the DIP switch settings on the JadeDD positions 5,6 and 7 to see if they correspond to $0E000H (default setting) of "A10=0,A11=0,A12=0" for the DDBOOT.ASM EPROM. This is where being able to see system memory comes in handy. If system memory stops short of $D800H, you can clearly see the 1K block of RAM at $E000H, the BOOT EPROM at $F000H and the Monitor EPROM at $F800H (for my system). I could never get the original Jade Monitor to display memory so I modified that portion of code to use the Doctor Dobbs/John Monahan memory display routing (the second image in my first post). The "Insert System Disk" comes from the DDBOOT.ASM code so it looks like your CP/M disk may not be good. The first image in my post above, shows all the information the Jade CP/M 2.2 disk gives when it boots. I never had an original Jade CP/M disk so I assumed the Dunfield version was it. His version of Jade CP/M does in fact work from the Image File on his site.
If you have the .lst file from the System Monitor 2.2B, you should be able to find the "Menu Jump Table" in the code and follow it to the Memory Display routine to decipher the commands. If you want to compile and burn a new EPROM from the code in my 1st post, it has the memory display routine as well as the "DISK" and "RUN" routines to jump to the Boot ROM. If you go this route, you may have to modify the Console settings as it is currently set to work with the S100.com Propeller Console board.
> Charles
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ldkraemer
May 13th, 2018, 06:48 PM
Tom,
It may not be of any help, but I've got the JADEDD.IMD (JADEDD.RAW) file with all of the *.ASM extracted. The ASM list is:

cpmls -f a1 -li JADEDD.RAW
0:
4 -rwxrwxrwx 8192 Dec 31 1969 asm.com
11 -rw-rw-rw- 12288 Dec 31 1969 bios.asm
16 -rwxrwxrwx 768 Dec 31 1969 biosgen.com
19 -rw-rw-rw- 5888 Dec 31 1969 bioslder.asm
20 -rw-rw-rw- 50048 Dec 31 1969 dcm2.asm
29 -rw-rw-rw- 2432 Dec 31 1969 dcm2.hex
17 -rwxrwxrwx 768 Dec 31 1969 dcmgen.com
24 -rw-rw-rw- 21504 Dec 31 1969 ddbios.asm
12 -rw-rw-rw- 25600 Dec 31 1969 ddboot.asm
5 -rwxrwxrwx 4864 Dec 31 1969 ddt.com
14 -rw-rw-rw- 10240 Dec 31 1969 deblock.asm
15 -rw-rw-rw- 6272 Dec 31 1969 diskdef.lib
10 -rw-rw-rw- 4224 Dec 31 1969 dump.asm
9 -rwxrwxrwx 512 Dec 31 1969 dump.com
3 -rwxrwxrwx 6656 Dec 31 1969 ed.com
26 -rw-rw-rw- 34304 Dec 31 1969 format.asm
30 -rwxrwxrwx 2816 Dec 31 1969 format.com
6 -rwxrwxrwx 1792 Dec 31 1969 load.com
0 -rwxrwxrwx 9728 Dec 31 1969 movcpm.com
8 -rwxrwxrwx 1024 Dec 31 1969 oldsys.com
31 -rwxrwxrwx 7424 Dec 31 1969 pip.com
7 -rwxrwxrwx 5248 Dec 31 1969 stat.com
1 -rwxrwxrwx 1280 Dec 31 1969 submit.com
18 -rwxrwxrwx 768 Dec 31 1969 sysgen.com
2 -rwxrwxrwx 768 Dec 31 1969 xsub.com

You will probably want to have a look at the .ASM files as it appears to be 2.2 and release 2A for Disk Controller Module.
Same version 2A for Double Density BIOS.

All of the .ASM file listings look sane. The A1 definition will get cpmtools access to the JADEDD.RAW files.

# A1 Generic CP/M - SSSD 8" - 128 x 26
diskdef a1
seclen 128
tracks 77
sectrk 26
blocksize 1024
maxdir 64
skew 6
boottrk 2
os 2.2
end

# libdsk data below
[a1]
description = A1 Generic CP/M - SSSD 8" - 128 x 26
cylinders = 77
heads = 1
secsize = 128
sectors = 26
secbase = 1
datarate = HD

You will have to massage the .RAW file a bit to get past the large Track1 problem.

I don't have any other JADE (.TD0, .IMD, or other ext) files that I have gleaned as I travel over the internet.

Email me if you want the code.

Check here:
https://amaus.org/static/S100/jade/
https://amaus.org/static/S100/jade/sourcecode/BIG%20Z%20CPU%20Monitor/
http://www.bitsavers.org/bits/Jade/
http://www.classiccmp.org/cpmarchives/cpm/Software/rlee/J/JADE/

Thanks.

Larry

KC9KEP
May 16th, 2018, 12:20 PM
Thank you Larry! (And all others who have responded.)
With out going into a lot of detail, my "bring - CP/M - alive - again" project has been riddled with frustration.
I was using an "old" XP machine (off line) to save all my re-documenting, assembling, EPROM burning, xmodem, hyper terminal etc.
Well, the stooopid 2018 1T drive in the XT crashed .. So, I'm going to have to go back and try to reconstruct what I
thought I was thru doing >:-(

--KC9KEP