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Druid6900
August 13th, 2007, 09:57 PM
Someone dropped one of these off to me today along with a honking huge Sun monitor (weighs about as much as a sub-compact), Sun keyboard, Sun mouse, Sun external SCSI hard drive and Sun external SCSI tape drive (no cables or terminator, of course, that would have been too easy)

It's supposed to be working, but, I haven't had a chance to toss it up on a workbench yet.

Should I be excited?

Trixter
August 13th, 2007, 10:25 PM
Depends on what kind of excited. At work, we throw these away. They can't run Solaris 10, they're slow, they can't hold that much RAM. If you need a small utility server, such as DNS or something, they're fine... but modern machines are so fast that DNS on the same server is a bit of an afterthought.

If you mean "excited from a collecting standpoint", then yes, you can be moderately excited. The Ultra 1 was Sun's first 64-bit machine, circa 1996 or therebouts, so it has some historical significance. They're moderately common though.

Druid6900
August 14th, 2007, 07:51 AM
Ok, I'm moderately excited and have a hernia LMAO

ahm
August 14th, 2007, 08:37 AM
If you intend on actually using your Ultra 1, just install OpenBSD on it.
http://www.openbsd.org/sparc64.html#hardware

BTW, I've got one of those 20" monitors. They do produce a crisp image.

barythrin
August 14th, 2007, 09:15 AM
If you want to learn Solaris/Unix it's a nice system (one of the better ones you'll end up with for cheap). It runs Solaris 8 fine, it can run 32-bit or 64-bit version of 9 which is cool (it just needs a bit of RAM), 10 I've never tried but I know it's not supported and possibly has a RAM requirement beyond what the Ultra1 can handle but I wouldn't worry about that.

Either way, they're nice systems despite the monitor being a bit of a burden. If you get a serial Y cable (it turns the db25 serial on the back into ComA and ComB (it's a proprietary connector despite looking like a standard 25 pin serial)) for the unit you can hook it up to a terminal/console on your main system and get into it like that instead of the monitor/keyboard method. Then of course once you have it networked you just ssh in unless you really need console access.

ahm
August 14th, 2007, 10:43 AM
If you get a serial Y cable (it turns the db25 serial on the back into ComA and ComB (it's a proprietary connector despite looking like a standard 25 pin serial)) for the unit you can hook it up to a terminal/console on your main system

The only time you need the Y adapter is if you need to use both serial ports.
I use a straight serial cable and conserver (http://www.conserver.com/) to be able to access the console of my Ultra 1 remotely from my main server.
I'm running Solaris 8 on the Ultra 1 and OpenBSD on my server.

carlsson
August 14th, 2007, 10:55 AM
In 1997, we would've drooled at the computer club if we obtained an Ultra-1. When we finally got some for free in 2002-03, nobody bothered to even power them up.

Vlad
August 14th, 2007, 12:21 PM
I've heard legends about those monitors. The only time I hurt my back moving something was a Proliant disk array. Lift with your knees and not your back. If I had only remembered that...

How come you always get something really cool/nice and are always missing a needed component? Whats up with that?

Druid6900
August 14th, 2007, 01:16 PM
I've heard legends about those monitors. The only time I hurt my back moving something was a Proliant disk array. Lift with your knees and not your back. If I had only remembered that...

How come you always get something really cool/nice and are always missing a needed component? Whats up with that?

Yeah, well, I did lift with my knees, it's the going up the 17 stairs that was the bitch LOL

Actually, the only thing it's missing is the SCSI cables between the unit and the external hard drive and the HD and the tape unit and, of course, a terminator.

Looks like a SCSI-2 connector (someone can correct me if I'm wrong) and I'll just have to buy some.

All the SCSI cables I have are either SCSI-1 25 pin to 25 pin for scanners and such or the 25 pin to Centronics type the Mac uses for external SCSI devices.

Anyone got a couple of 3 footers and a terminator they want to sell? :)

Sharkonwheels
August 14th, 2007, 03:00 PM
Look on ebay for MC Pricesbusters, or search the web. They always have all kinds of strange SCSI stuff.

I just tossed out a BUNCH of SCSI cables about 1-2 months ago - SCSI2 to DB50, SCSI2-to-SCSI-2, db25-to-db50...all kinds of junk. Kept a few for the future, though.

What kinda' terminator you need? SCSI2? Active or passive?


T

Druid6900
August 14th, 2007, 10:14 PM
How the hell do I know? Whatever works to terminate a bunch of Sun Micro external devices LOL.

I'll have to look up the diagrams and match it with the connector on the Sparc. I think it's a 68, but I'll have to count them and I need to find my magnifying glass :)

Terry Yager
August 14th, 2007, 11:08 PM
Pix of the connector?

--T

carlsson
August 14th, 2007, 11:45 PM
You carried the Sun w/ monitor to the 17th floor, in a house without elevators? Gosh. I would demand payment to do that.

While the Sun monitors weren't light-weight, nothing compares to one older type of IBM 20-21" RGB monitor. I can't recall the model number, but it was the only one we had with a warning sticker on the back that it weigh more than 35 kg. I'd rather carry two Sun 20" (one at a time) than one of those IBM's.

Druid6900
August 15th, 2007, 08:25 AM
You carried the Sun w/ monitor to the 17th floor, in a house without elevators? Gosh. I would demand payment to do that.


Stairs, 17 steps up the stairs to the newest workshop. When you have 10 foot ceilings, they put a lot of steps between floors LOL.

I have a 21 inch monitor from Philips (strange beast, seems to have a DB-9, a DB-15 and 5 RGBs on it) and, when I lug IT upstairs, I'll weigh the two of them and see which one hurts more :). Stay tuned.

Druid6900
August 15th, 2007, 08:27 AM
Pix of the connector?

--T

Yup, this afternoon, sometime.

Druid6900
August 15th, 2007, 03:15 PM
Ok, Ladies and Gentlemen, some pictures of the back of the Sparc workstation and the external SCSI devices.

http://www.vintagecomputerparts.com/PICT0022.JPG

http://www.vintagecomputerparts.com/PICT0026.JPG

Hope you can see the connectors clearly enough

Thanks

Trixter
August 16th, 2007, 12:12 PM
68-pin passive terminator should do the trick.

BTW, the monitors are quite nice if yours is in good condition (ie. no burn-in, etc.). They're Sony Trinitron tubes, very clear.

Druid6900
August 17th, 2007, 09:00 AM
Thanks for all the info.

The monitor is in excellent condition (as is the whole outfit) and there is no burn-in at all.

In fact, unless the cleaning staff washed down the system every night, I'd say this was a backup unit that was never used. There isn't even any evidence of normal day-to-day wear you would find on something that old.

The guy I got it from said that he had only received it a few weeks earlier and it wasn't right for the Ham Radio application he was looking to use it for.

The keyboard and mouse aren't even dirty.

I'll have to winch it up on the workbench, plug it in and see what I get.

I don't imagine there is a VGA adapter for the monitor, eh? :)

Vlad
August 17th, 2007, 09:40 AM
Lol, here we go again eh? There are 13W3 to VGA adapters, not hard to find really but I don't know where you'd get one off hand.

barythrin
August 17th, 2007, 10:07 AM
I'm not much help here but all the adapters my friends and I have found didn't work on the monitors we had so I'm not sure if there is some odd requirement (I'm guessing you need a multisync compatable monitor) or what. We also tried the reverse using the monitor on a PC which I do think we got to work after a while but that was an SGI not a Sun.

But yeah, google for it or hunt around some older computer shops and you should be able to find one of the 13w3 converters. I used to find them all the time at our local "goodwill computers" store although since they raised their prices during a store relocation and stopped carrying more of the vintage stuff (the only reason I went) they're much less likely to have anything cool nowadays.

- John

Druid6900
August 17th, 2007, 09:41 PM
Well, I was thinking of using the Monitor on a PC, so, it might be worth investing in a 13w3 to see if it works. I mean, for the chance to have a 20" Trinitron based monitor on one system and the Philips 21" on another, it would be worth a look-see.

After all, I might be able to unload the Ultra 1 and the external devices on my site, but, no one in their right mind is going to pay the shipping on the damn monitor, so, if it's doable, I might as well put it to good use :)

Druid6900
August 18th, 2007, 10:19 PM
Well, apparently, a Sun 13W3F to PC DB15M adapter can be had for as little as 13 bucks US and that's the one with the H & V sync compensation dip switch, so, I'm going to get one and see how it works.

Druid6900
August 19th, 2007, 07:46 PM
Just in the way of an update, I set up the system today (my arms are now 2 inches longer from hoisting the monitor) just to make sure the monitor worked (so I know it's worth ordering the adapter) and, lo and behold, the system fires up perfectly.

It's running Solaris 7 (even still had the original CD in the ROM drive) and the 'test-all' command and the 'probe-scsi' command show that everything is working fine except the transceiver since I didn't have it hooked up to anything. I'll try a loop-back next time.

Now, when my good buddy in Michigan gets around to shipping me the external cables and terminator :) I'll be able to test out the peripherals as well.

You were certainly right about the monitor though. It's a 365-1335 (Sun GDM20E20) and it's absolutely beautiful.

sbus
August 22nd, 2007, 10:16 AM
Good platform to:

1. learn Solaris (Solaris 8 can be downloaded for free from Sun)

2. makes an ok web or NFS server

3. VERY stable platform; I've had ultra1 machines up and running for over 3 years without a reboot (as long as you have them on a UPS!!!).

4. Not a bad development platform for UNIX code - GNU likes it.


Adapters to use a PC monitor can be had on eBay for $4.

Druid6900
August 22nd, 2007, 04:09 PM
Well, if no one buys it, and I want to do any of those things, then I'm all set :)

I spent the 12 bucks to get an OEM adapter just to keep it authentic LOL.

Hopefully, when the cables and terminator arrive, the external HD and tape drive will be operational as well.

kb2syd
August 23rd, 2007, 05:52 AM
It appears from the pictures that these are all in Sun enclosures. If so, the AutoTerm feature of the Sun hardware has always worked for me. You can see that the harware says Auto Term right on it. Try it without any terminator first.

FYI, when purchased new from Sun, they did not include terminators either. Just the interconnect cables.

Druid6900
August 23rd, 2007, 07:05 AM
Yes, I did notice that, but didn't get a chance to research it as the Sparc is only one of about 30 computers I'm working on at the moment.

That IS valuable information though and, thank you.

I'm sure that the cables are on their way, right, T? LOL

Druid6900
August 28th, 2007, 10:30 PM
Well, the monitor looks mighty fine on a PC and the adapter works like a charm.
Taking a closer look at the front of the case, it seems that this is the Creator 3D version of the Ultra 1.

Druid6900
September 25th, 2007, 08:32 PM
Ok, at long last, the system is all up and running and test, Solaris 7 on the main unit HD, Debian Unix on the external HD and the Dat Tape drive works fine.

It does work with just the auto-term mechanism on the external enclosures.