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dongfeng
April 2nd, 2004, 03:30 PM
Can anyone tell me any information about these two printers? I don't know anything about them, except they were given to me in a box of misc parts along with an Amstrad CPC6128. It says "Citizen 120D. I also have a Citizen Swift 9-pin colour printer I bought new with my Amiga 500 back in 1989 :) Any ideas of the age? Would it work with the VIC-20? Obviously,, there are two printers, the right one being an updated version of the left one. Apart from label, They look identical.

http://www.howard81.co.uk/upload/vcf/citizen120d.JPG

CP/M User
April 2nd, 2004, 03:39 PM
"dongfeng" wrote:

> Can anyone tell me any information about
> these two printers? I don't know anything
> about them, except they were given to me
> in a box of misc parts along with an
> Amstrad CPC6128. It says "Citizen 120D.
> I also have a Citizen Swift 9-pin colour
> printer I bought new with my Amiga 500
> back in 1989 :) Any ideas of the age?
> Would it work with the VIC-20? Obviously,
> there are two printers, the right one being
> an updated version of the left one. Apart
> from label, They look identical.

I've heard of the Citizen 120D, which I believe
was a good choice printer for the Amstrads,
which could do graphics as well (so it would be
an Epsom compatable printer). For memory
I think it was reviewed in Amstrad Action as a
printer with great NLQ & poor draft mode,
though they did a few printer (around that time
I think it was 1990 or maybe late '89). If the
Vic-20 has a centronics compatable printer
connection then it would do Text, graphics
though maybe an issue, but I don't know too
much about the Vic-20 to really judge what
it can & cannot do.

Cheers,
CP/M User.

Rick Ethridge
April 3rd, 2004, 07:53 AM
I made a check of the Citizen 120D printer. Those pictured don't seem to be these. The printer supports 240x216 graphics and can emulate an Epson FX and IBM Propinter III. Using it with a VIC-20 requires an adapter for serial or parallel. Rick Ethridge

Jorg
April 3rd, 2004, 08:03 AM
I owned an Citizen 120D (left model), which I bought short time after my first PC. This must have been 1991.
Used it a lot- I might even have the manual somewhere.

I probably sold it with one of my later PC's- cant remember.

There was a separate version for the C64.

Emulation as said, FX80 or proprinter.
It was not too fast in HQ mode (used more than a night for my graduation thesis) but there was a good driver for WP5.1 that used it to the limit.

dongfeng
May 7th, 2004, 09:43 AM
Ahh, that would explain it, I received them with an Amstrad CPC6128 about 5 years ago :)

The printer on the right doesn't work though. But the left one does.

What suprised me the most, was that Windows XP has the drivers for them built in!! And they work!

It's been a long time since I heard the nostalgic screeching of the dot matrix printing :lol:

I have a Citizen Swift 9 printer somewhere, it was bought for the Amiga 500 back in 1989. I've lost it though, it's somewhere in the roof storage, but I can't find it :shock: :lol:

What I find amusing, is that the black ribbon in that printer is the original one, and it still worked a couple of years ago when I last tested it! The cartridge in my Epson inkjet does well to last 2-3 months :roll:

vic user
May 7th, 2004, 09:48 AM
Do you have a printer adapter for the vic 20 dongfeng?

Chris

CP/M User
May 7th, 2004, 03:22 PM
"dongfeng" wrote:

> Ahh, that would explain it, I received them with
> an Amstrad CPC6128 about 5 years ago :)

> The printer on the right doesn't work though.
> But the left one does.

> What suprised me the most, was that Windows
> XP has the drivers for them built in!! And they
> work!

Yeah, just because things change, doesn't mean
that the old hardware (like Printers) gets removed.

I've got a Star NX-1000 Dot Matrix & Win95 (while
is quite old now) has drivers for it. It's not the best
though, cause it does something to the line-feed
when I want to get paper out, which causes it to go
real slow! :-(

> It's been a long time since I heard the nostalgic
> screeching of the dot matrix printing LOL

What's so funny about it. Every computer terminal,
station, network, whatever isn't complete without it.

> I have a Citizen Swift 9 printer somewhere, it was
> bought for the Amiga 500 back in 1989. I've lost
> it though, it's somewhere in the roof storage, but
> I can't find it

I was slightly out with the date on the Citizen 120D,
this printer was reviewed in the April 1989 catalog of
Amstrad Action (that's where I've seen it), so the
printer maybe even older (cause they usually got the
product, well after the introductionary date), which
mean's it could have been made in late 1988!

> What I find amusing, is that the black ribbon in
> that printer is the original one, and it still worked
> a couple of years ago when I last tested it! The
> cartridge in my Epson inkjet does well to last 2-3
> months.

What?!? The original, are you sure? My Star uses it's
printer ribbons up very quickly then. But then, they
are the originals. Their called Pelicans I think.

Cheers,
CP/M User.

Terry Yager
May 7th, 2004, 07:01 PM
What?!? The original, are you sure? My Star uses it's
printer ribbons up very quickly then. But then, they
are the originals. Their called Pelicans I think.

Cheers,
CP/M User.

Oh, please don't use Pellican ribbons in anything you care anything about. They're junk! Trust me, I've replaced a lot of printheads, courtesy of Pellican ribbons. They keep the printer-techs in business. Next time you get a chance, compare one of the Pellican ribbons to an original-equipment type from your printer. You can see (and feel) the difference, they are noticably thinner, and more loosely woven. Hold them up to the light, and you can actually see thru them. They have a tendency to "shed" a lot in use, and the shed material can really gum-up a printhead, rendering it unusable. They may be inexpensive, but it ain't worth the "savings" in the long run.
[/rant]

--T

carlsson
May 10th, 2004, 05:39 AM
Btw, full-sized (not receipt) matrix printers are still made and sold for business purposes today. For example Lexmark and Epson have some 9 and 24 pin printers which does between 100 and 700 characters/second depending on desired quality.

Dunno about the other brands, as I assume only a small amount of business depends on matrix printing technology and it may not be a very large market share.

Terry Yager
May 10th, 2004, 09:27 AM
Carbon paper may be obsolete, but multi-part forms aren't. If ya gotta have more than one copy, ya gotta have impact. Lasers and inkjets just won't cut it.

--T

Terry Yager
May 10th, 2004, 09:38 AM
Btw, full-sized (not receipt) matrix printers are still made and sold for business purposes today. For example Lexmark and Epson have some 9 and 24 pin printers which does between 100 and 700 characters/second depending on desired quality.

Dunno about the other brands, as I assume only a small amount of business depends on matrix printing technology and it may not be a very large market share.

Heh! My 23-year old laptop (Epson HX-20) has a built-in printer, for which you can still get consumables at the local office supply. It seems that those same little printers are still being made and used in POS terminals and the like.

--T

CP/M User
May 11th, 2004, 12:55 AM
"Terry Yager" wrote:

>> What?!? The original, are you sure? My Star uses it's
>> printer ribbons up very quickly then. But then, they
>> are the originals. Their called Pelicans I think.

> Oh, please don't use Pellican ribbons in anything you
> care anything about. They're "junk"! Trust me,
> I've replaced a lot of printheads, courtesy of Pellican
> ribbons. They keep the printer-techs in business.
> Next time you get a chance, compare one of the
> Pellican ribbons to an original-equipment type from
> your printer. You can see (and feel) the difference,
> they are noticably thinner, and more loosely woven.
> Hold them up to the light, and you can actually see
> thru them. They have a tendency to "shed" a lot in
> use, and the shed material can really gum-up a
> printhead, rendering it unusable. They may be
> inexpensive, but it ain't worth the "savings" in the
> long run.

Okay, they haven't done anything to my printers head,
yet, but what do you suggest I should get? Do "STAR"
still exist & if so, do they still supply Ribbons for their
printers? If not, then who else is there? Are there better
companies (like Pelikan) which make ribbons for lots of
Printers, except better quality?

Cheers,
CP/M User.

carlsson
May 11th, 2004, 06:31 AM
I believe Star Micronics specialize in POS machines (just like Terry pointed out). Here is the only remaining homepage which sells Star PC printers:

http://www.starhkg.com.hk/stareng/index.htm

(see also http://www.starmicronics.com, although they only offer drivers and docs from what I could see)

Terry Yager
May 11th, 2004, 06:39 AM
Yes, there are other companies that make better-quality ribbons for older printers. I can't think of any right now, but Pellican stands out as being one of the worst there is available. I can't necessarily recomend another company to purchase ribbons from, but I can try to warn you off from Pellican. Watch out for ribbons that are thin and/or loosley-woven. Hold them up to the light--if you can see light thru them, it's Not A Good Thing. (A web-search should turn up a few companies that are selling third-party ribbons).

--T

Classicsat
June 3rd, 2004, 06:14 PM
I don't know much about current office equipment, but in theory, I think you you could have a laser printer with two paper feeds and receptors. Or even have two printers, one at accounting, one at shipping/sales (per till).