View Full Version : Baseless lamps for cars

January 16th, 2008, 05:50 PM
I'd like to find the unthinking twit who created this P.O.S*** design and slap him silly! (I could only slap him silly because he is already stupid!)
A lamp filament burns at thousands of degrees, This creation has no heat sinking, no mass..so the lamp fries! But it's cheap! Contacts; 24AWG wires against curved flat springs...maybe 2 microns in contact area? The whole idea is make it cheap? Screw the buyer?
I have gone through 6 lamps in two years in my 01, 04 vehicles, My 1965 vehicle used the original lamps (save one) for twenty-two years!!!

Dwight Elvey
January 18th, 2008, 07:09 PM
Put a gob of DC#4 in the socket and the lamps will
last longer.

PS It also works well on IC leads and edge connectors.

January 18th, 2008, 08:41 PM
...I have gone through 6 lamps in two years in my 01, 04 vehicles, My 1965 vehicle used the original lamps (save one) for twenty-two years!!!

Sure the new stuff is tempered glass, but even notice about the new/old windshields too?...

Dwight Elvey
January 19th, 2008, 08:03 AM
Sure the new stuff is tempered glass, but even notice about the new/old windshields too?...

Although off topic, Front windshields are require to be safety glass in the US.
All other windows can either be safety or tempered glass. Most side glass
cut for custom used is safety. Most OEM types are tempored as is required
on new windows. It has been this way as long as I can remember so I don't
know what you are refering to( at least back into the '60s )?

January 21st, 2008, 08:28 PM
Cost reduction engineering is likely the major reason for baseless lamps, the THINNER windshields (the total laminate) chip and crack easily, wire sizes are smaller, connectors are "toy" class. More plastics in structural areas, the ubiquitous plastic rivets are smaller, most everything is "outsourced" to China or India or other Asian countries. Who ever produces cheapest! Sadly, my next vehicle won't be a GM...the company is dying a slow painful death. Honda and Hyundai probably don't outsource, they make it themselves as GM USED to. My 2001 Silhouette w/50k miles has problems. My 04 Colorado has a one speed blower until I wiggle the exposed "hanging-down" blower harness. It gets poor mileage. It has nearly 30k miles. One speaker died by a dragging VCoil before a year. (Try and get that fixed under warranty)

Why must solid, reliable devices i.e., an 1157 lamp have to be redesigned??!!

January 22nd, 2008, 02:33 PM
I dunno if I've brought this up before or not, but these are the key 4 things I see that are killing off quality products in this country.....

1.) Disposeable Society - Use it up, throw it out, garbage in, garbage out, that's pretty much the mantra of the masses anymore. If something breaks, throw it out and buy a new one, if something breaks and hurts you, make a frivolous lawsuit, throw it out, and buy a new one by another brand. About the only things not disposeable these days are homes, land, and cars (and the third can be argued).

2.) Corporate Greed - Say you have a device that costs $100.00 to make, only because of one chip made by a big name manufacturer, and you could cut the costs down by half by using a mass produced chip with a little known design flaw, then chances are they will do it, because it's easier to make more money by selling plenty of shoddy product rather than one good product. So what if your reputation is on the line, the key thing is your customers are PWNED and you have their money, and there's always another "sucker" born every day to fall into your trap anyway....which brings me to...

3.) Acceptance of Low Quality - Most people lead lives that don't have time to fiddle with anything anymore, or that want to. Nobody fixes televisions anymore, we replace em', same with computers, cars, toys, and just about anything else. People as a mass have come to accept low quality goods and services, and just the thought of it makes me very sick to my stomach. When I was growing up, it seemed any customer service or product issues were brought up and dealt with, now I'd be a millionaire if I got a penny for every time I've heard someone say "f*** this, I'll just buy a new one, ______ sucks anyway", not realizing that just about everybody's stuff sucks these days. Guys like me who work with a wrenches or soldering iron on a Saturday afternoon out of enjoyment of fixing stuff are a dying breed.

4.) Outsourcing - Because it's cheaper, it saves the company money, and it makes products cheaper to buy. However, I don't think outsourcing will always be valid, looking back at the guitar industry in the 60's, the 70's, 80's, 90's, and now, it seems each country, as it's financial status in the world improves, so do it's products, and with that rise in quality, comes a rise in prices.

Once upon a time, only crappy guitars were made in Japan, for dirt cheap, in the 60's, they made horrible knockoffs of vintage instruments made in the USA, however, the 70's came, and due to the handful of student buyers in the 60's, they made enough to start making much improved axes, beginning the "lawsuit" era, when american companies sued Japanese copycats for making decent to excellent copies of their guitars at a cheaper price, and by the 80's, the Japanese had made enough money and a name for themselves to release fairly high end guitars at higher prices, and by the mid-80's to late 90's, now you had top name professionals (Steve Vai, George Benson, Joe Satriani, just to name a few), playing these innstruments. Now the Japanese stuff is on par, and sometimes (actually quite often) of better quality than the United States corporation made instruments, wherease in the 60's it was the other way around.

The lessons to be learned here is that.....

Work Ethic as a Whole Sucks - I've worked in many factory environments, and as much as management likes to cram it down the workers throats that we need to "do a good professional job", most people don't feel obligated to do it. All anyone cares about is personal endeavors. A lot of people have jobs because they have to and not because they like the work, as some don't know what they want to do with their lives anyway, so they whine and moan, and often try to find petty ways to get away with stuff to the management's dismay (who can't do anything as it's harder to fire an employee than it is to not hire one in the first place).

Give another country for cheap labor legally and they will prosper to a point that it becomes moot to use them as a source of cheap labor. When the Vietnams, Koreas, and Indonesias are gone in the world, and their costs rise to what they deserve to get without complaining, where will we go to for our $50 televisions and $100 computers then? We may actually have to go back to fixing things and making the best of what we have again. I feel it's a cycle that will come back around at some point.

And in the end, disposable lifestyles DO cost more. I always laugh when someone tells me it's cheaper to buy a name brand computer every 3 years than to use a home-built one for about $200 more for 10 years. Most of the people I know are always paying this off, paying that off, replacing this, buying that, throwing this away, and buying that. As for me, I just keep fixing the stuff I have, granted, I have some bit of a sentiment to some things, but it's because I've had them so long, it's a trusting mechanical relationship few share with their devices. I know what they need to work, and as long as they get their small sum of time and rarely money here and there, they behave. Which brings me to...

Few know how to take care of things, as in truly take care of them anymore. Most of the computers being thrown out are just infested with a lot of spyware and porn JPG's, most of the cars that go to the junkyard have something serious wrong with them due to neglect to pay attention to a particular problem (or often attempt to find out what that problem is). I got my first brand new Lawn Mower at 9 years old (I saved up as I mowed lawns for money), those are said to last three years, I got 12 out of my little 20" Southland, and the one day I was too lazy to give it a new sparkplug or whatever it needed, was the one day I put it on the curb, and found that same mower mowing someone else's lawn the next week. It's all about taking care of things and performing maintenance. One reason I still have my first car, it gets fixed every time something goes wrong, ASAP.