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    Quote Originally Posted by kiyotewolf View Post
    "Seems a wee bit large for just a joystick test program. What did you build it in?"
    QuickBasic v4.5 compiler.
    I'm a TP programmer too, but I stopped concentrating on it, and lost my way.
    Yeah, QB's a microsoft compiler -- not exactly known for tight code since they LOVE to compile in ALL library functions whether you use them or not. It's one of the reasons I rejected using it for anything originally.

    Quote Originally Posted by kiyotewolf View Post
    Did these get your permission to host your game in-browser with jDosBox?
    They didn't contact me, didn't need to really -- I have no qualms about them distributing the game in any form. NOT that I'll ever get to use it since I'm not dumb enough to allow Java to even be INSTALLED on my workstation, much less run in a browser since I don't trust it (it allows WAY too much access to the host computer to be allowed to run from a web page -- and I'm not really into "phones")

    Quote Originally Posted by kiyotewolf View Post
    I need to ask you a few questions about how you re-wrote the support libraries to get around the ERROR 200 the speed error, problem.
    I didn't... What I did was not call the library with the problem in the first place (CRT). The only things from CRT I'd have needed are keyboard routines, and those are easy enough to spin one's own.

    As much as I loved Borland compilers, once I knew enough about the hardware and BIOS the love-affair for it's libraries was WAY over. By the time people started having the 200 error, I was saying "You're STILL using CRT?!?" -- built in libraries with programming languages are almost always coded as an afterthought... graph and CRT are grossly inefficient and poorly coded, I don't use them... especially when for the most part they just wrap the slow BIOS functions.

    Same goes for today with things like Free Pascal -- the compiler's pretty solid, but many of the included units are a bit... iffy.

    It's a lesson I learned about trusting libraries long ago -- If you didn't write it and can't see it's code, you probably can't rely on it as you have NO idea what it's doing under the hood. That might be OK for a #DDD (Carlos Mencia hex gray) user running binaries under windows; as coders writing software that's really NOT a good idea. It's why I have issues with a lot of modern code where you have DLL hell, dependency hell, all thanks to an over-reliance on libraries to "make things simpler". Amazing how needlessly complex can often be sold to people as "simpler"... Just look at javascript libraries like jquery or prototype or CSS frameworks like YUI or Grid960 for proof enough of that idiocy.

    Quote Originally Posted by kiyotewolf View Post
    Sorry about the later reply, for some reason I don't get notified of forum posts from here.
    I never trust auto-notifications either.

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    totally agreed on library over dependency!!! as far as QB45 though, it's good for what it is. a 16-bit BASIC compiler. i've had lots of good times with it. if youre using QB, you're not aiming for efficiency anyway, and its great for little utilities.. or even writing an IRC server! my old QB IRC server runs great on an 8088. about 1 second lag times even on a full load.
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    I'd recommend getting the Microsoft Professional Development System 7.1 compiler. It's basically a huge upgrade to QB45 - at least with respect to the environment, etc.

    g.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geneb View Post
    I'd recommend getting the Microsoft Professional Development System 7.1 compiler. It's basically a huge upgrade to QB45 - at least with respect to the environment, etc.

    g.
    yep, 7.1 is great. a lot more options for the compiler from inside the IDE too.
    My emulators!
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    MoarNES Nintendo emulator: http://sourceforge.net/p/moarnes


  5. #65

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    Trixter has an FTP of PDS (PBS?) 7.0 (7.1?) download.



    :M

    "I didn't... What I did was not call the library with the problem in the first place (CRT). The only things from CRT I'd have needed are keyboard routines, and those are easy enough to spin one's own."

    That's what I meant to say. What does the CRT.TPU provide that you're not using, besides the keyboard routines?

    "As much as I loved Borland compilers, once I knew enough about the hardware and BIOS the love-affair for it's libraries was WAY over. By the time people started having the 200 error, I was saying "You're STILL using CRT?!?" -- built in libraries with programming languages are almost always coded as an afterthought... graph and CRT are grossly inefficient and poorly coded, I don't use them... especially when for the most part they just wrap the slow BIOS functions."
    ////
    There are a bunch of things I can do to replace a bunch of routines, so I can use SVGA, and such, I should really look into doing just that.
    Last edited by kiyotewolf; May 26th, 2011 at 09:53 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiyotewolf View Post
    Trixter has an FTP of PDS (PBS?) 7.0 (7.1?) download.
    Link?

    g.
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  7. #67

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    ftp://ftp.oldskool.org/pub/misc/

    ftp://ftp.oldskool.org/pub/misc/tanfiles.rar

    ftp://ftp.oldskool.org/pub/misc/8088%20Programming.rar

    One of those two *.RAR files has PDS (power basic) 7.0



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    Thanks for the links. Unfortunately, neither contains PDS. PDS is the Microsoft Professional Development System BASIC Compiler, not Power Basic.

    g.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geneb View Post
    Thanks for the links. Unfortunately, neither contains PDS. PDS is the Microsoft Professional Development System BASIC Compiler, not Power Basic.

    g.
    Winworld has it.
    http://wdl1.winworldpc.com/Abandonwa...plications/PC/
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    Facepalm moment. I hit that site and oddly enough the link for PDS 7.1 was purple. (Firefox) Apparently I'd downloaded the stupid thing and then forgotten about it completely.

    ...oh look! Butterflies!

    *sigh*

    g.
    Proud owner of 80-0007
    http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

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