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    Default I have an Apple II now (plus)

    I visited an antique shop, the same one that I got my IBM XT from. I asked if they had found more old computers and they showed me an Apple II plus. I was kinda hesitant but I managed to get it for 120$. They also had an Apple II GS "Woz" limited edition, it looks CIB but it was too expensive. Really cool though.

    I was pretty interested in owning an Apple II for around the same time as an IBM XT, but it was always less interesting to me because it didn't have an hard drive. Anyway I finally have one which is neat.

    I find the construction of this computer to be quite excellent. The top is easily-removable, it is only held by pins. And the best part, pretty much every IC is socketed! Wow this is excellent. Too bad Apple's later computers stopped doing that, a real shame. The only thing "wrong" with the design of this computer is the back. It is not like an IBM PC where every expansion card gets its own exterior access. Here, the connectors must be slipped through holes in the case. This has the problem of leaving a mess of wires behind.

    Looks like the original owner of this computer was really into it. He added a lot of things to it, and all of the expansion slots are filled. There is a Kensington Microware "System Saver" attached to its side. It simplifies power cables management, does line surge suppression, and adds a "quiet cooling fan" that's fortunately not that quiet. All this for the cost of extremely high power consumption?? There's a sticker with 115V 9A written on it.

    A second, small keyboard was added above the main keyboard. It was made by Videx. Not exactly sure what it's for. It plugs with a DE-9 connector into a board under the main keyboard... There is also a small green thing with a lever stuck to the side of the computer. Looks like you would put a small integrated circuit in there. Plugs into the Game I/O port on the MB. It has a Sup 'R' Mod. II RF modulator.

    On the motherboard there is a small red wire that goes from a 9334 IC to somewhere. Maybe a factory modification. ROM-F8 is an EPROM with a small jumper wire. Most definitely a user-made modification. The cards that are in it are a TimeMaster II, the obligatory Disk II interface card, a 670-0030 mouse interface card, an Hayes Micromodem IIe, a Grappler +, a Titan Technologies 64K RAM board. The video out goes into a an Applied Engineering Viewmaster card, which then goes into a strange card called a ComputerEyes. It's this card that hooks up to a monitor, and it also seems to have a video input, maybe for a light pen or something.

    The owner connected a "Trak Star" to the first disk drive. This is a device that tells you what track of a disk is currently being read. For some reason the disk drives aren't Apple-branded ones. One is branded "Lytec Systems Inc." and the other is a µ-SCI brand, "model A-2". That one has a removable jumper on the front. Another user modification?

    Also came with an M0100 mouse and a Star Gemini-10X printer. Also came with some sort of monitor stand, stands for the printer (never seen such thing before), an unrelated AC cord and an unrelated BNC cord. Sadly, it did not come with any disks WOW, I've said pretty much everything there was to say.


    What is the difference between an Apple II and a II Plus?

    What exactly is the ComputerEyes card?

    How do I create this disk http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTYwMFgxNjAw/z/3ZcAAOSwanRXhD1l/$_1.JPG ?


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    I think you gave away your age several times here... . Printer stands were common until inkjet printers really took over.

    You got a great deal.

    The difference between a ][ and a ][+ is the ROM and the badge. That and when the plus came out no one wanted a non plus anymore.

    If you ever had a ][e, you'd really appreciate those U shape holes. Aftermarket disk drives were uncommon but significantly cheaper. You can make disks with a program called ADT.

    I wish I had time to write more here.

    I think your unknown video card is an overlay card, that is, a genlock.

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    ComputerEyes was a digitizer card: http://www.digital-vision-inc.com/productCEAppleII.htm
    Offering a bounty for:
    - Documentation and original distribution disks for: Panasonic Sr. Partner, Corona PPC-400, Zenith Z-160 series
    - Music Construction Set, IBM Music Feature edition (has red sticker on front stating IBM Music Feature)
    - Any very old/ugly IBM joystick (such as the Franklin JS-123)

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    I think that's a helluva deal. The extras you've listed there make for a nicely upgraded unit. I got my ][+ this summer and had a couple of nice cards in it, but yours seems like a terrific machine.

    I used this to make disks for mine http://adtpro.sourceforge.net/bootst...rom_bare_metal

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    Bootstrapping ADT from the monitor (not by the K7 interface) is the most fun one can have with an Apple ][·

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    The memory expansion card is a Saturn 128 (clone) 128k memory card.
    The card in slot 3 (grey rca cables) in an 80 column card which video soft switching between 40/80 column modes.
    The cable to the green thing with the lever (sounds like a zif socket) is to extend the joystick connector to be more easily accessible.

    If you post photo's of the cards they can be identified easier.

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    Cool information!

    I was able to set-up ADTPro to transfer data by the cassette ports. Took me a really long time to find the correct audio levels to make it work. Here's my setup.

    Windows 7
    Onboard Realtek audio
    All sound output effects disabled
    Output volume set to 25
    Microphone input volume set to 100
    Microphone boosting set to 20dB

    Cool and useful program but really slow so it's not very fun at all...

    Surprisingly both disk drives work, this means that they aren't Tandons even if they look similar.

    The cable to the green thing with the lever (sounds like a zif socket) is to extend the joystick connector to be more easily accessible.
    Yes that's it.

    The memory expansion card is a Saturn 128 (clone) 128k memory card.
    Wow you're right, it's pretty much the same thing but with 64K of RAM and silver labels applied on it to hide the silkscreen. I wonder if Saturn Systems changed their name to Titan Technologies. The logo of Titan Technologies is the planet Saturn, and despite having different phone numbers and addresses they were both in Ann Arbor Michigan. Here you can see Titan Technologies eventually had Saturn RAM boards with their own silkscreen and they called them Saturn boards. https://ia601901.us.archive.org/Book...ale=8&rotate=0

    Yup I even found mentions of this in Google Books. Saturn Systems became Titan Technologies. Wow, how's that for obscure computer trivia.

    ComputerEyes was a digitizer card: http://www.digital-vision-inc.com/productCEAppleII.htm
    Wow that's really cool!

    I will continue to mess with this computer. Still figuring it out.
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    See if you can get yourself a super serial card. Its far quicker than trying to transfer through the cassette port and you can write a disk in seconds (not minutes...). Also no messing around with audio settings; it just works.

    ADTPro is brilliant. I have other old disk based systems and believe me, creating disks for the Apple II series is a breeze compared to what is required for them.
    System 80 Expansion Interface located! Thanks to all who helped out and the good people in the NZ vintage computer forums!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3pcedev View Post
    See if you can get yourself a super serial card. Its far quicker than trying to transfer through the cassette port and you can write a disk in seconds (not minutes...). Also no messing around with audio settings; it just works.

    ADTPro is brilliant. I have other old disk based systems and believe me, creating disks for the Apple II series is a breeze compared to what is required for them.
    He only needs to do it the once so buying a serial card just for that isnt very cost effective.

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