Image Map Image Map
Results 1 to 10 of 10

Thread: Huson Soft FORM Compiler

  1. #1

    Default Hudson Soft FORM Compiler

    Good morning, everyone.

    I'm looking for a copy of an old Compiler for the Sharp MZ-series.
    Especially SHarp MZ-80K or MZ-700.

    Thing is, my father used to have it in the 1980s,
    where he wrote a lot of programs. Some of them are quite interesting, still.
    Like for example that RTTY program for ham radio.

    Unfortunately, as time went on, most of our old tapes went bad.
    When we moved a long time ago, some of the boxes ended up in the cellar,
    so all that's left intact are the manuals and the paper backups.

    Does anybody know where I can find that FORM compiler ?
    Or can somebody give me a clue whom to ask to, please ?

    Before someone complains :
    I'm not asking for abandonware (if that's still an issue people worry about *sigh*.
    sharpmz.org hosts a lot old stuff with permissions from Sharp itself),
    nor do I want to buy a shrink-wrapped collectors item for $$$.

    What I'm looking for is a bit of information about this compiler and
    some place/person I can talk about this old piece of software.


    Any help appreciated.


    Best regards,
    Jo22
    Last edited by Jo22; April 30th, 2018 at 05:53 AM. Reason: Typo in the title.
    "Time, it seems, doesn't flow. For some it's fast, for some it's slow.
    In what to one race is no time at all, another race can rise and fall..." -The Minstrel

  2. #2
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Connecticut
    Posts
    3,860
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default

    Can you provide some source code that could be used to identify the language? I know there were Hudson Soft compilers and FORTH compilers for the Sharp but what you describe is outside my knowledge.

  3. #3

    Default

    Thank you very much for your reply, krebizfan!

    I took a few photos for you and hope that you can make out something.

    The printouts/listings my father once made have some markings on them that could be helpful hints.

    a) The programs were made in '85
    b) The Compiler indentified itself als FORM <VER1.0>

    Attached are a few photos of the manual and his listings.
    Attached Images Attached Images
    "Time, it seems, doesn't flow. For some it's fast, for some it's slow.
    In what to one race is no time at all, another race can rise and fall..." -The Minstrel

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Location
    UK - Worcester
    Posts
    1,977

    Default

    I haven't tracked one down yet - but it seems to exist as a product (see https://aucview.aucfan.com/yahoo/n133991424/).

    From the manual - it looks like some sort of FORTRAN - it even says FORTRAN in one of the photographs.

    dave

  5. #5

    Default

    Here's a scan of the FORM documentation I've found.

    I tried to upload it as a PDF file, but failed to squeeze it down to ~50KBs
    without loosing all its readability. Sorry for the inconvenience..

    Edit: I deleted the GIFs. They were rendered unreadable for some reasons.
    Instead, have a look at this external link: https://imgur.com/a/dtQD9rn
    Last edited by Jo22; April 30th, 2018 at 05:48 AM.
    "Time, it seems, doesn't flow. For some it's fast, for some it's slow.
    In what to one race is no time at all, another race can rise and fall..." -The Minstrel

  6. #6

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by daver2 View Post
    I haven't tracked one down yet - but it seems to exist as a product (see https://aucview.aucfan.com/yahoo/n133991424/).

    From the manual - it looks like some sort of FORTRAN - it even says FORTRAN in one of the photographs.

    dave
    Thank you, daver2! Yes, that's FORM. Not sure if it works on our Sharp, though.
    Back in time, there where two character sets for the MZs: Japanese and English/Western.

    Quote Originally Posted by daver2 View Post
    From the manual - it looks like some sort of FORTRAN - it even says FORTRAN in one of the photographs.
    I second that. It seems to be indeed a form of Fortran. It might be Tiny-Fortran, so to say.
    Originally, I thought it was a mixture of Basic/Pascal/Assembly.
    Last edited by Jo22; April 30th, 2018 at 05:49 AM.
    "Time, it seems, doesn't flow. For some it's fast, for some it's slow.
    In what to one race is no time at all, another race can rise and fall..." -The Minstrel

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Location
    UK - Worcester
    Posts
    1,977

    Default

    Yes, the VCFED attachment size can be a bit limiting sometimes - but for good reasons!

    With pieces of documentation stored on various sites - make sure that Al Kossow (the documentation wizzard) is aware of it and it will be archived on our favourite site - bitsavers.org - for the rest of eternity...

    I'll have a read when I get home - work doesn't permit us to look at file sharing sites...

    Dave

  8. #8

    Default

    Thank you a lot!

    In the mean time, I've found a little bit more of information about the subject at http://kouzzy.org/blog/?p=284.

    English translation

    It also has a screenshot of FORM VER 1.0, showing latin letters.
    So chances aren't so bad that the Compiler always had been in plain English.

    Unfortunately, there's no way for me to contact that person.

    In fact, I can't leave a note in the comment section even.
    Not without relying on the questionable resulsts of Google Translator, at least.

    "Posts that do not include Japanese are ignored, so please be careful. (Anti-Spam)"

    (Ok, technically I could register to twitter and ask publicly, but I don't like to do that.
    Perhaps I would bring that person to shame or something like that.)

    This is what looks like an text file.
    Perhaps of an interview of an 1980 issue of I/0 magazine. There are 5 of them in total.

    Here's the English translation.


    I've also attached and merged everything as unicode RTF text file w/ English translation.
    Attached Files Attached Files
    "Time, it seems, doesn't flow. For some it's fast, for some it's slow.
    In what to one race is no time at all, another race can rise and fall..." -The Minstrel

  9. #9

    Default

    Update. Just had a closer look at the yahoo auction.
    According to Google Translater, the auction's description says
    "HUDSON SOFT Asteroid FORM SHARP MZ-80 K2 K2E C".

    I'm not 100% certain, but it could be that this is a game written in FORM language.
    Sure, it would be quite uncommon (most were written for BASIC, say BASIC 5510 or S-BASIC), but it could be.
    "Time, it seems, doesn't flow. For some it's fast, for some it's slow.
    In what to one race is no time at all, another race can rise and fall..." -The Minstrel

  10. #10

    Default

    Update.

    I've found an actual screen shot of FORM, or rather of the intro/title of the program.

    form_mz1200_emu.jpg

    Source: http://web.archive.org/web/200810212.../emu_main.html

    Unfortunately, I have no idea how to contact the author (email address nolonger valid).
    "Time, it seems, doesn't flow. For some it's fast, for some it's slow.
    In what to one race is no time at all, another race can rise and fall..." -The Minstrel

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •