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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Orange View Post
    It does in mind as it's not a question of 'morality' but of legality.
    If he bought a Tandy that came with DOS it unquestionably came with a license. That license (in all likelihood) permits you to make/have a backup for your own personal use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by exs1s View Post
    Hello,

    You don't need to buy it. It's abandonware and you can download it from ...
    Yes, yes you do. It is copyrighted software, and Microsoft does maintain the copyright on it. Abandonware is not a legal term or permission to just distribute copyrighted software.

    I've edited your original post to remove the direct link, last thing we need here is cease and desist letter from a lawyer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torch View Post
    Do you have a link that points to a microsoft web page where one can order a new DOS disk?
    If not, what's option 2? Go on eBay and buy used magnetic media that's been used and stored God only knows where over the last 30 years? And where do you stop on that...do forensics on the disk and label to make sure it wasn't a bootleg made 20 years ago?

    Also, nearly every Tandy included DOS disks with the computer (1200 may be an exception?). Since you own the hardware which included DOS as part of the price, does that still go outside the morality factor when using copies?

    No you cannot buy it anymore, that does not matter to Microsoft (or any court for that matter). And for the record, I have actually called Microsoft and asked them where to get it, and was told "No where" and then told that they maintain all their copyrights and will go after people pirate their software, no matter how old.

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    The website in question has been there such a long time. If it was in breach of Microsoft's copyright, and if indeed Microsoft cared, that website would not be there. It's almost universally accepted that abandonware is fair game and no-one would uphold the copyright on software so old and obsolete. After all, what would be the commercial advantage?

    I'd say it's a fair bet to assume that the legal chaps at Microsoft would have an issue with someone profiting by their old software, but the website in question is simply allowing access to the software. I'd say they're doing Microsoft a favour.

    A bit like thinkpads.com at doing Lenovo a huge favour taking the responsibility away from them for supporting old IBM models.

    There's a very detailed discussion/explanation on Stack Exchange on this subject. It's very inconclusive, but it's a good read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by exs1s View Post
    The website in question has been there such a long time. If it was in breach of Microsoft's copyright, and if indeed Microsoft cared, that website would not be there. It's almost universally accepted that abandonware is fair game and no-one would uphold the copyright on software so old and obsolete. After all, what would be the commercial advantage?

    I'd say it's a fair bet to assume that the legal chaps at Microsoft would have an issue with someone profiting by their old software, but the website in question is simply allowing access to the software. I'd say they're doing Microsoft a favour.
    Maybe MS doesn't know about the site? That aside I would think they would full under the category of an archive site.

    Here a good wiki link on right to copy software you own some may find interesting for the USA.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limita...puter_programs
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Horse View Post
    Maybe MS doesn't know about the site?
    After 11 years online, I'd be very surprised if they've escaped Microsoft's attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by exs1s View Post
    After 11 years online, I'd be very surprised if they've escaped Microsoft's attention.
    I agree, but it is possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by exs1s View Post
    It's almost universally accepted that abandonware is fair game and no-one would uphold the copyright on software so old and obsolete.
    No it is not, especially when the copyright holder is still a big player in the industry, and quite frankly what everyone might "accept" does not change the fact that there are no provision for abandonware in copyright law. So sites hosting copies of MS-Dos for download are in violation of said law, and as Napster proved, being a conduit for such content is equally against the law.

    Does this mean MS (or other companies) will go out there and find every single website that has copies of their software and shut them down, no it does not. The cost versus the gain is just not there for them. Does that mean are A-OK by linking to such sites? No we are not, today they don't care, tomorrow they might, and we really don't want to be dragged into litigation because some user posted a link that is against the forum rules (sixth point found here).

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    Quote Originally Posted by lutiana View Post
    No it is not, especially when the copyright holder is still a big player in the industry, and quite frankly what everyone might "accept" does not change the fact that there are no provision for abandonware in copyright law. So sites hosting copies of MS-Dos for download are in violation of said law, and as Napster proved, being a conduit for such content is equally against the law.
    Quote Originally Posted by lutiana View Post
    Does this mean MS (or other companies) will go out there and find every single website that has copies of their software and shut them down, no it does not. The cost versus the gain is just not there for them. Does that mean are A-OK by linking to such sites? No we are not, today they don't care, tomorrow they might, and we really don't want to be dragged into litigation because some user posted a link that is against the forum rules (sixth point found here).
    My reply was not supposed to cause a debate on the legalities and I was not aware of that specific forum rule. No problem, I'll be sure not to post links to abandonware sites again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stone View Post
    If he bought a Tandy that came with DOS it unquestionably came with a license. That license (in all likelihood) permits you to make/have a backup for your own personal use.
    I agree with that, but that doesn't mean that you have carte blanche or perpetuity. If you have the original disks or software set is one thing, but to simply download from a scratch source is just piracy. If Microsoft DOS 6.22 original disks were in a baggy on a shelf at the local Goodwill, then go for it.
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