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    Quick question: to boot the O1 from the B *right* drive (if the A *left* drive isn't working), is the correct procedure as follows:

    System disk in B drive.
    Close door.
    Press right-shift key and the +/= key.

    Just want to check.
    Thanks.
    Tom M.

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    Hi Tom,

    Got a few new ideas. Will post tomorrow. Bedtime in the UK!

    Dave

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    Well, dagnabbit. My brown case OCC-1 worked a year ago, but it's showing similar keyboard issues now. Unresponsive keyboard, won't boot. The screen isn't necessarily flickering all the time, but did when I hit reset. It's been stored in the retrolab. Hrrrmmm...

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    Keep following this thread, but since your symptoms don't exactly match mine ... I'd suggest you start a new thread on your problem, and grab a cheese steak!

    Tom M.

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    Sorry,

    It's been hectic at work today!

    I will post a simple 'taster' now and follow it up (if necessary) with more detail tomorrow.

    If there is a problem when you plug the keyboard in, we should be able to detect some sort of change with the keyboard disconnected and connected.

    My plan is as follows:

    Disconnect the keyboard AND ribbon cable from the main board.

    Measure the voltages (with a multimeter) from the inputs of IC UE12 (81LS95) to ground/0V. There should be 8 inputs - each with a pull-up resistor to +5V. I can provide pin numbers tomorrow if required.

    Plug the ribbon cable into the main board - but leave it disconnected from the keyboard for the moment.

    Measure the 8 voltages again.

    Connect the keyboard to the ribbon cable.

    Measure the voltages yet again.

    At some point I am expecting you to get a low voltage reading instead of a high voltage reading...

    I see we have another machine to fix... The more the merrier... Just worked out the reference to the cheese steak!

    Dave

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    OK - pardon my ignorance (again!).

    In the Tech Manual, Figure 2.3 is the logic board.

    I see nothing labeled UE12 or 81LS95.

    Difficult to measure the voltages at the item, if I can't find the item itself! Could you indicate on Fig. 2.3 where I'll find it?

    Thanks.
    Tom M.
    PS - glad you got my cheese steak reference. Probably would have been clearer if I said Cornish Pasty?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ef1j91 View Post
    Well, dagnabbit. My brown case OCC-1 worked a year ago, but it's showing similar keyboard issues now. Unresponsive keyboard, won't boot. The screen isn't necessarily flickering all the time, but did when I hit reset. It's been stored in the retrolab. Hrrrmmm...
    I dont think thats abnormal. Mine is doing it as well. I did adjust the CRT pots this past summer but it almost seems like I am running it without the RF shield.. some wobble. Im not too worried.

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    Can you point me to an online link for a technical manual that matches the machine you have? I have located an online manual - but it may be a different revision to the machine you have.

    I have found this before...

    Failing that, can you locate the schematic with the keyboard interface on it and post that somewhere for me to look at please?

    I had a Philly cheese steak for lunch once when I was in the States. I didn't need to eat anything in the evening after that!

    EDIT: Just rechecked the manual at bitsavers again. IAI0063 sheet 8 of 9 contains UE12 which (according to the parts list on sheet 1 of 9 is an 81LS95.

    Dave
    Last edited by daver2; January 11th, 2019 at 12:04 PM.

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    Can you point me to an online link for a technical manual that matches the machine you have? I have located an online manual - but it may be a different revision to the machine you have.

    OK - I'm way out of my depth. I dont' even know where to look for a tech manual which matches my O1. Here's the only manual I know:

    https://drive.google.com/open?id=1rh...sSoD-YP_hwJf8X

    That's where I found the logic board: Fig. 2.3.




    I have found this before...

    Failing that, can you locate the schematic with the keyboard interface on it and post that somewhere for me to look at please?


    The manual I linked also has the keyboard info, beginning at page 41.

    I had a Philly cheese steak for lunch once when I was in the States. I didn't need to eat anything in the evening after that!

    Philly cheese steaks are known for powering the entire city, in case the mains fail.

    EDIT: Just rechecked the manual at bitsavers again. IAI0063 sheet 8 of 9 contains UE12 which (according to the parts list on sheet 1 of 9 is an 81LS95.

    Sorry - where is the manual at bitsavers? And I'm afraid I don't know what "IAI0063 sheet 8 of 9" even means!

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    OK - so a little explanation is required…

    >>> Sorry - where is the manual at bitsavers? And I'm afraid I don't know what "IAI0063 sheet 8 of 9" even means!

    The manuals for the Osborne 1 are located on bitsavers at http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/osborne/osborne1.

    <plug>Bitsavers is an excellent resource for vintage computer ‘nuts’ and would be the ‘go to’ site for any documentation requirements in trying to resurrect vintage computers. If you have any documentation for vintage computers (even different revisions of documents) then it would be worth scanning the manual, putting it on a file sharing website and either sending AL Kossow (the documentation wizard) an e-mail – or posting on a VCFED forum a link to the document and it should magically appear on the bitsavers website for future use by the community. </plug>…

    For your information “IAI0063” is the drawing number allocated by Osborne to the schematics for the Osborne 1 and “sheet 8 of 9” is the 8th drawing of a series of 9 drawings for the main logic board.

    The document you posted and that on bitsavers is the same, so I will use the references from the document you posted so we are all on the same page (no pun intended).

    Figure 2.3 on page 5 of the document (PDF page 15) is the assembly drawing NOT the schematic drawing. If you skip down to Section 12.0 of your document (PDF page 123) you will find the schematic diagram “IAI0063 sheet 8 of 9” that I referred to in my post. This is the schematic for the keyboard interface logic. You should be able to see on that schematic the integrated circuit I referred to “UE12”. The input pins of this IC (connected to the keyboard interface connector P4) are pins 4, 8, 14, 18, 16, 12, 6 and 2.

    If you now skip backwards a bit to PDF page 116 – you will find UE12 described in a little table as an “81LS95”. If you now skip forwards a bit to PDF page 125 (the Bill of Materials) you will also find UE12 described as an “81LS95”.

    EDIT: It's even marked on the schematic as an 81LS95 Dooooo!

    How do we find this IC on the main logic board?

    Skip back to your figure 2.3 (assembly drawing) on page 5 of the document (PDF page 15).

    What is the meaning of UE12? The letter ‘U’ stands for an integrated circuit (don’t ask me why). E12 refers to the location on a grid. This is Column E Row 12. If you look at the main logic board you should see letters on one side of the board edge (shorter) and numbers on the other edge (longer) at the intersection of E and 12 is the IC we are interested in. I can just make out the text “E” and “12” and at the intersection (right near the keyboard connector P4) I can just make out a 20 pin integrated circuit ‘hand marked’ on the assembly drawing as “81LS9?” (I can’t quite make out the last digit). This is the device we are looking for.

    The markings on the device itself should align with the 81LS95 in some way, shape or form – but it may be subtly different. For example (depending on the manufacturer) they may add a prefix or a postfix to the number (for example: DM81LS95ABC). This is still the same device we are looking for. The DM indicates a manufacturer and the ABC will refer to speed, packaging, temperature limit capability and possibly a host of other things.

    Does this make things a little clearer?

    Your first job (armed with new information) is to hopefully locate this pesky IC (UE12 = 81LS95) on the main logic board!

    EDIT: Have a look here https://www.techrepublic.com/picture...e-computer/34/. I can just make out an AMD DM81LS95N... where UE12 should be.

    Dave
    Last edited by daver2; January 12th, 2019 at 04:43 AM.

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