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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug G View Post
    Did I miss some announcement that vbulletin is going to be replaced here at vcf
    No, but as with all software, eventually it must be "upgraded" and in these "modern" times upgrading means things get worse. The only announcement, as such, is the new version looks like it will reach the point of unusability sooner than expected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug G View Post
    Did I miss some announcement that vbulletin is going to be replaced here at vcf and opinions on alternatives are being solicited? I regularly visit 3 or 4 forums that have migrated off vb to something else, and for me the "something else" has always seemed worse and harder to use. Is therer some significant functionality that would be gained from spending the hundreds (or more) of man-hours needed to migrate these forums to "something else"?
    Not that I'm aware of. A lot of sites with vBulletin <5 have recently upgraded to 5. It seems everyone in the world is on this "is not supported, it's not secure, we're all going to die" kick lately. Every site that has upgraded vBulletin has turned into a really bad experience. The only (very high profile) site that didn't, which I stuck around for, went to XenForo. It was shocking how everything got better with XenForo. I'm not being paid by XenForo, and don't have any stock in the game whatsoever except that I like it here (probably spend too much time here) and don't want to see this place go down the toilet.

    I'm hoping others have seen the same thing, or at least can say they've seen better alternatives. Whatever it takes so that this site doesn't become one that's just too much of a pain to bother with, like all the vBulletin 5 sites have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC9UDX View Post
    It seems everyone in the world is on this "is not supported, it's not secure, we're all going to die" kick lately.
    Remember when programmers released software and the bugs were already ironed out and there were no future updates? Remember when the only thing you updated were your antivirus DAT files? (manually I might add)

    Now-a-days we have forced updates... and everthing is broken. Most of my houshold pc's run windows 7 64 bit (pre-SP1) with no updates, updates are disabled on everything. And I might add all my computers work friggen great! running the same image they have for years now,, at the same speeds.. no issues. The only thing bothering me constantly is my web browser,, which I am sure would still work fine if IT would just shut the hell up.

    my phone however(running android) and forcibly updating everything,, all the time and restarting all day long with a stupid startup jingles so everyone could hear it... barely works... Why? Because updates are stupid and only bog down an already glitchy system.

    Im against most updates and im proud of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VERAULT View Post
    Remember when programmers released software and the bugs were already ironed out and there were no future updates?
    No

    But I do remember when there was lots of competition and people knew if they did something stupid that a good chunk of their customers would go elsewhere.

    Seems like in this case there is actually a bit of competition in this area but everyone is drinking the same metaphorical cool-aid. They want to look "new" and "trendy" so they remove half the useful stuff for a minimal mobile look, or they add crazy animations (Who cares if doesn't work? Look at that hypnotic scrolling!), or they jumble everything up trying to badly copy someone else.

    I'd hate to jump ship because some new forum software was too painful to use. But it has happened before and will happen again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vwestlife View Post
    ...and phpBB seems frozen in time in 2003, and not necessarily in a good way.
    *shrugs* VOGONS, which uses phpBB, is still extremely fast and responsive (more so than XenForo's own Community section on my end), and isn't missing much functionality that would be needed in forum software. Adjustments for mobile devices, yes, but that can easily be done with media queries in Styles.
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    At least one forum that I sign onto daily uses Vanilla. While there have been small updates, the version is basically the same as it was in 2009--and it's pretty robust. New != better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck(G) View Post
    At least one forum that I sign onto daily uses Vanilla. While there have been small updates, the version is basically the same as it was in 2009--and it's pretty robust. New != better.
    I'll be honest, that looks like a pretty miserable forum. Heres the thing, if I'm just here to post 'Anyone know where i can find' threads then something like Vanilla might be perfectly acceptable. However, I know in some cases I haven't posted threads or responded to threads because what I want to do or say isn't easy or quick so i figure i'll just do it later when i'm 'back at a pc' which I may forget by then. Sometimes I read this site on my phone and while I can do basic text replies, I can't do anything elaborate. I think in a technical forum like this, it would be great if there were ways to easily respond to things. For instance, as much as I (and most of us) hate facebook, its super easy to post something. I can quickly write a message, click the photo button and select a bunch of photos, then hit submit.. Even doing that on this board isn't the easiest, luckily most of us work with retro computers so we don't mind all the added steps, but I'd certainly wish I could quickly drag and drop photos into my post or even use it from a mobile device easier. I personally think having more features and easier/cleaner web 2.0 interfaces allows us to express ourselves better in our posts, which does allow better, fuller discussions.

    That said, i'm not advocating one way or the other whether this site should change software, i'm really just suggesting that in many cases software improvements do enable more things to be done and can improve the experience. I think we can all agree that MS Word doesn't do much more than Word Perfect did back in the day, but I certainly know which one I'd rather use and which one has enabled more people, more use with less training.
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    If I had a vote, I would vote to "leave well enough alone". This is a vintage federation.

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