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    Quote Originally Posted by VERAULT View Post
    I colleague came to me with a Dell machine and asked if I wanted it. I assumed it was a P4, but turned out to be a duo core... I looked at him and said it had no value to me. And he threw it in the dumpster. Its not worth my time to image it and give it away. It's in that special area where its too old to be desirable but not old enough to have nostalgic value......
    That is my point, all the newer generations of machines are going straight to the melting pot because nobody saves them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SomeGuy View Post
    They need to be saved long before they get to any "recycler". By that time they have been stripped of any software, manuals, peripherals or other things, and likely have been tossed around and smashed up.

    Problem is you have to change consumertard thinking. Like - Little Miss Millennial found an oooold computer in her daddies attic and it MUST get thrown out becuase it is ooollld, and dangeroooous, full of toooxic chemicals, and its BEIGE, and it has... no... lovely... new... shiny... blue... LEDs! - she knows old is bad because Twitter told her on her brand new pink Apple iPhone(R)(TM).
    How come you are ALMOST correct except its NOT just the Little Miss Millennial its also the DUMB Gaming Boy Millennial, that are equally to blame as it cannot be overclocked, not easy to add water cooling to and its just tooooooo slow, so thouw it out.

    Mind you also its the deceased estate Housecleaners and the old house Demolition Companies, that just chuck or crush.

    I know a house 3 suburbs for me that had been filled in all rooms with 1970's though 1990's computers of all makes, most still in the original boxed, that was demolished with all of it still inside.

    I only got to pick over the site A/H for a short while before I got told to leave. I know from what crushed bits I saw that there were some rare and precious bits destroyed.

    I spoke to the excavator driver next day and told him a lot of what was in there was actually more valuable the gold, and he should have had a look and put some of it in the outer shed. He would have made 6times his days wage.

    His reply was "F.ck off. I don't give a shit, its stupid crap" I said its good easy money in your pocket. He again said "don't care, now F.ck off"

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    Quote Originally Posted by computerdude92 View Post
    Here goes: My first attempt... I don't know what I'm doing but we'll see where this leads...

    https://www.change.org/p/usa-governm...ive-to-keep-pc
    I just added my signature to it.

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    (I Reposted this thread post, made an error in wording)


    Here goes: My first attempt... I don't know what I'm doing but we'll see where this leads...

    https://www.change.org/p/usa-governm...ive-to-keep-pc

    When making the petition, it was asking to "Choose a decision maker" as in who has the authority to make this happen. I have no clue who to pick, so I just typed in "USA Government" No matching search results though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by inotarobot View Post
    I just added my signature to it.
    Thank you!!!

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    A lot of people (excluding us) love to play old PC games but they don't understand the value of the old hardware. Emulators don't always play the game 100% right and you miss out on some awesome features only real hardware provides. Example: You can choose how the MIDI music of your game sounds like by choosing your sound card from dozens of old ISA sound cards for the perfect audiophile-grade listening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by computerdude92 View Post
    It's really sad to see so many vintage computers at the dump and recycling centers and you're not allowed to take them home. It's against the law. They won't even let you remove the hard drive in front of them. It makes no sense. There is no way a person's data can be stolen if there's no hard drive in the computer. How about starting an online petition to save these vintage computers before they're all gone?
    Well I have to say on the occasions I have picked up or bought from eWaste computers or phones with personal data on them, if it was an old old machine like a Sirus etc that recreating the OS was a huge task, I used to just have quick cursury look at the contents and then 'delete' as appropiate, then overwrite with suitable 'tools".
    More modern or 'normal' machines with stock hardware, I just reformat etc.

    However that changed one day, as I had a machine that had a very odd expansion bus card, so I went looking for the driver and OH Shit!!!

    Within 24hrs this machine was gone to LAW enforcement. Now I will have quick look at any drive on a machine I get within 8hrs for same illegal stuff, or any obvious other terror related data ( but that does NOT include me reading local stored email or logging to net with the machine to view any of the previous users online data.)

    I was surprised that the Officer that I gave that first machine to said: "almost all that are involved in child porn, just don't have the brain to hide the images etc in hidden or locked partitions, so generally a cursery sweep of HD with an image prog brings them up".

    over last 15 or so years, I have sent more than my fair share of computers etc to the relevant department of Law enforcement.

    So this point raises an issue about removing the HD before we get s/h machines.

    If Media is present 'Do we have a responsibility to take a cursory look?'

    What problems Legally could we face? a. if we didn't verse b. did and reported the 'crime'?

    In one way now a days its a "can of cobra snakes not worms" because if say (( you had just got a machine within the last few days and not had time to look at it, and police (anti-terrorist unit) arrived at your door and took possession of the machine, as the suspect they had just arrested had in panic disposed it the day before. Assume it had major terror plans and making "data", could you be charged as aiding and abbeting? and arrested?))
    Last edited by inotarobot; February 8th, 2019 at 06:39 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inotarobot View Post
    I know a house 3 suburbs for me that had been filled in all rooms with 1970's though 1990's computers of all makes, most still in the original boxed, that was demolished with all of it still inside.

    I only got to pick over the site A/H for a short while before I got told to leave. I know from what crushed bits I saw that there were some rare and precious bits destroyed.

    I spoke to the excavator driver next day and told him a lot of what was in there was actually more valuable the gold, and he should have had a look and put some of it in the outer shed. He would have made 6times his days wage.

    His reply was "F.ck off. I don't give a shit, its stupid crap" I said its good easy money in your pocket. He again said "don't care, now F.ck off"
    Well that just made me more massively depressed than I already am. Whoever ordered the demolition needs to be shot. Here, I'll just demolish some historical buildings and fancy old churches. Those are just stupid old buildings nobody should be using any more. I don't even care if there are people still in them, humans are stupid worthless blobs of protoplasm. Next I'll have some fun demolishing Twitter and Facebook's HQ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inotarobot View Post
    I spoke to the excavator driver next day and told him a lot of what was in there was actually more valuable the gold, and he should have had a look and put some of it in the outer shed. He would have made 6times his days wage.

    His reply was "F.ck off. I don't give a shit, its stupid crap" I said its good easy money in your pocket. He again said "don't care, now F.ck off"
    Whoa. What an a-hole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inotarobot View Post
    Well I have to say on the occasions I have picked up or bought from eWaste computers or phones with personal data on them, if it was an old old machine like a Sirus etc that recreating the OS was a huge task, I used to just have quick cursury look at the contents and then 'delete' as appropiate, then overwrite with suitable 'tools".
    More modern or 'normal' machines with stock hardware, I just reformat etc.

    However that changed one day, as I had a machine that had a very odd expansion bus card, so I went looking for the driver and OH Shit!!!

    Within 24hrs this machine was gone to LAW enforcement. Now I will have quick look at any drive on a machine I get within 8hrs for same illegal stuff, or any obvious other terror related data ( but that does NOT include me reading local stored email or logging to net with the machine to view any of the previous users online data.)

    I was surprised that the Officer that I gave that first machine to said: "almost all that are involved in child porn, just don't have the brain to hide the images etc in hidden or locked partitions, so generally a cursery sweep of HD with an image prog brings them up".

    over last 15 or so years, I have sent more than my fair share of computers etc to the relevant department of Law enforcement.

    So this point raises an issue about removing the HD before we get s/h machines.

    If Media is present 'Do we have a responsibility to take a cursory look?'

    What problems Legally could we face? a. if we didn't verse b. did and reported the 'crime'?

    In one way now a days its a "can of cobra snakes not worms" because if say (( you had just got a machine within the last few days and not had time to look at it, and police (anti-terrorist unit) arrived at your door and took possession of the machine, as the suspect they had just arrested had in panic disposed it the day before. Assume it had major terror plans and making "data", could you be charged as aiding and abbeting? and arrested?))
    Just let the cops take the hard drive and then all should be good. The rest of the computer hardware is irrelevant. They really should be interested in just the hard drive, not the whole machine.

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