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    Default Got a nice late Apple ][ for cheap

    Picked this up on ebay for $250. I wasn't expecting much, but it turned out to be a really nice, original, late A2S1. The bottom isn't even scratched!

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/12eh...ew?usp=sharing
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/12Yp...ew?usp=sharing
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/12pI...ew?usp=sharing
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/12kQ...ew?usp=sharing

    I'm curious about the power 'button'. I've seen the 'raised flat square' type before in pictures, but they always looked like they sat lower. On this one, it sits really high and you can actually still press it down as if it were a key. Is that how the later ones are? I thought they were raised but fixed in place.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/12XW...ew?usp=sharing

    The keyboard itself is sort of a transitional design between the former single piece PCB and the encoder-add on.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/12k0...ew?usp=sharing

    It even powers up with the usual beep. The video is incorrect, though.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/12V1...ew?usp=sharing

    I'm not sure if it's just a bad IC or something else - this machine had a Videx 80 col card in it. I pulled it to test the machine out. I don't think they modify anything other than putting the 9334 up on a special breadboard, which I returned to its socket - but if something else was changed maybe that's why the video is buggered.

    All in all, a nice little machine. I was going to do it as a fixer-upper and sell, but it's so nice I kinda don't want to let it go!

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    As far as I know, they left Apple with a light that is flush with the case and doesn't press like a button.

    But I have encountered both the original style keyboard and this one, with a switch there, as part of an aftermarket lower-case solution. I have not seen one like that in thirty years though, and can find no evidence online of such a modification.

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    I've seen this type of power light on the "version 2" keyboards.

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    I'll have to look back at some auction pics. As I recall, they started off with the raised power 'button's, which mechanically operated but had no effect. Then they came out with the flat square, but it was not mounted flush to the case as on the II+, it was raised a little bit. I'm not clear if it ever was flush for the II or if it only went that way after the II was discontinued. It's just in pictures the raised flat square doesn't look like it is as high up as this one. But pics are deceptive.

    So far I count 4 versions of keyboard used for the II ('Datanetics style', green single PCB, brown single PCB, green PCB with encoder board) and then a couple more for the II+ (black metal fascia, foil tab). I'd be really interested in seeing pics of a keyboard from an original II very late input production (like higher than SN 78000) to see what the final version was.

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    I recall seeing a good number of ][s with the square flush power light (like most ][+s), and a handful of plusses with the raised original button looking lamp.

    Frankly I don't remember any raised squares, but most likely I just incorrectly remember those only being flush; it's been a few years.

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    I've got raised square and flush square lights, but none of them move.

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    So what does the "hidden" switch on the secondary keyboard pcb (and for that matter all of the unpopulated traces) do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Towmater View Post
    So what does the "hidden" switch on the secondary keyboard pcb (and for that matter all of the unpopulated traces) do?
    Switches between RESET and CTRL RESET for an NMI.

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    There are two switches on the encoder board, labeled S1 and S2. S1 switches between CTRL-RESET and just RESET. S2 - I never understood what this switch does. Most encoder board never had S2 installed, but the solder pads still exist on the PCB.

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    Factory lower case that never happened?

    Dvorak? Foreign language? What do Europlus and Jplus look like there?

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