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Thread: Just how good was the Windows 95 OSR 2.x USB Supplement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stone View Post
    I am able to load di1000dd.sys high on my tweener.
    For some reason i think that was the one i could not get to load high when i tried a long time ago, But it doesn't bother me i just let them load low, Do what i got to do and then unload them.

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    Is the source for D1000dd available anywhere? It would seem that implementing a simple IOCTL call to notify it of a device change instead of unloading and reloading.

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    I've never seen the source around though i wouldn't be surprised if it was never released.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stone View Post
    I use USB flash drives on my DOS tweener regularly using the Panasonic support mentioned by krebizfan.
    Thanks for the info - I was unaware of the existence of that product.

    Think I'll keep my ethernet solution though - it does all I need.

    No idea about WinME - it was deeply unpopular here, and in fact I've never seen one in the flesh. Apparently it looks like W2K, but whether it inherited W2K's excellent USB support is another matter entirely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robbbert View Post
    No idea about WinME - it was deeply unpopular here, and in fact I've never seen one in the flesh. Apparently it looks like W2K, but whether it inherited W2K's excellent USB support is another matter entirely.
    WinME was unpopular everywhere, even inside of Microsoft at the time. After Windows 98SE shipped almost everyone moved on to different groups from the Win9x group and most people assumed the Win9x project line was done. When they decided to drag out one more release as WinME they didn't exactly have the top people working on it anymore. More of a lipstick on a pig operation at that point.

    Up through Windows 98SE the core USB driver development was done in the Win9x group and dropped into the W2K group. After Windows 98SE shipped all of the core USB driver development effort was absorbed into the W2K group.

    The USB mass storage driver usbstor.sys from W2K was backported into WinME through the use of the usbntmap.sys shim driver which hooked it into IOS (the Win9x I/O Supervisor). I can't remember now if the usbntmap.sys driver was a full port driver or a SCSI miniport driver. That was 20 years ago. I do remember that it was ugly, and surprising that it worked as well as it did. (I was the primary dev for the usbstor.sys and usbntmap.sys drivers in the W2K group at the time).

    I don't remember how much of the bug fixes and enhancements to the core USB drivers during W2K development were backported into WinME. Maybe it was just selective bug fixes that were ported back into WinME instead of trying to keep WinME completely in sync with the W2K versions.

    If I wanted to run a Win9x system for some reason myself, personally I would just stick with Windows 98SE and the USB support that came in the box, and wouldn't have any interest in trying to hot rod the USB support into something that didn't exist at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Orange View Post
    Back in the day the Optiplex GX1 was almost a standard around the office spaces, however I don't recall it ever supporting USB in its original configuration. In that USB was fairly new in the late 90's, you were left with the choice of installing an after market USB card in order to run that USB mouse or scanner. USB 2.0 didn't enter the playing field until the early 2000's, you may be dealing with USB 1.1. Also, IIRC, the first GX1's came with DOS 6.22 and/or Win 3.1. Since you are probably dealing with a Pentium III, I would go with WIN 98 or WIN 2K - better driver support. Make sure that you have the correct driver set for the GX1; most probably USB 1.1.

    https://www.dell.com/support/home/us...ex-gx1/drivers
    As I said I don't have this computer anymore. I was using it as an example for this thread. The onboard USB 1.1 ports worked great in WinXP.

    BTW... I'm curious. Why would they want to install such an old set of OS's on the GX1's when tech in the 90's moved by so fast? To have speedier systems, I guess. GX1's first came out in 1998, along with the 440BX chipset, so they should have originally came with NT 4.0 or Win98FE installed.
    Last edited by computerdude92; September 12th, 2019 at 02:20 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jafir View Post
    Yes. And you have to install the USB patch to install the AMD K6 patch.
    I dunno about that, I installed Win95C on a K6-2 system I once had, and I never installed any USB patch, only the AMD K6 patch. Best to my observation, the system worked well but I never tried USB.

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    Thanks for that info, it explains a few things.

    I have a win98SE to run dos games such as Doom, Quake, Wolfenstein-3D and similar. The desktop is the "menu". The games mostly run 100%. Redneck Rampage crashes at the end, but otherwise works well.

    For internet, unfortunately there's not many sites that still work. IE6 is the last version for Win95,98,NT,ME and W2K, but the reputation of IE6 isn't that great.

    Apart from DOS-based games and utilities, I feel there's not really a compelling reason to use win9x much now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krebizfan View Post
    Why downgrade from Win98 to Win95C?

    Windows 95C will support early USB mice and keyboards and some other devices if one is lucky enough to find dedicated drivers. It does not work with USB 2 controllers or hubs.
    Hate 98/98SE/ME, but love 95 when it's configured right.

    USB on 90's systems is just a bell & whistle for me at this point. Internal ZIP drives and my external parallel port PCMCIA reader with compact flash cards do the job well for transferring files coming from much newer systems running WinXP or later.

    So, they designed pre-Win98 era motherboard chipsets with USB support and onboard USB headers in hopes of a better OS and drivers in the future. Makes sense. Funny the old USB ports from like 430HX for example work so well when the system is upgraded to Windows XP, seeing how old they are. Well, they are standard USB 1.x ports, so it's all up to the OS drivers. Though I would think that the chipset may play some part, but i've never seen anything unusual.

    Thanks for the info, I appreciate it.
    Last edited by computerdude92; September 12th, 2019 at 02:27 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robbbert View Post
    Apart from DOS-based games and utilities, I feel there's not really a compelling reason to use win9x much now.
    I like to have my retro systems to be both useful and fun, but that's just me. I want to live back in time. So I do haphazard things like trying to modernize these systems to compete with the awesomeness of WinXP in the offline side of things.

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