Forum Rules and Etiquette

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This forum is part of our mission to promote the preservation of vintage computers through education and outreach. (In real life we also run events and have a museum.) We encourage you to join us, participate, share your knowledge, and enjoy.

This forum has been around in this format for over 15 years. These rules and guidelines help us maintain a healthy and active community, and we moderate the forum to keep things on track. Please familiarize yourself with these rules and guidelines.

Rule 1: Remain civil and respectful

There are several hundred people who actively participate here. People come from all different backgrounds and will have different ways of seeing things. You will not agree with everything you read here. Back-and-forth discussions are fine but do not cross the line into rude or disrespectful behavior.

Conduct yourself as you would at any other place where people come together in person to discuss their hobby. If you wouldn't say something to somebody in person, then you probably should not be writing it here.

This should be obvious but, just in case: profanity, threats, slurs against any group (sexual, racial, gender, etc.) will not be tolerated.

Rule 2: Stay close to the original topic being discussed
  • If you are starting a new thread choose a reasonable sub-forum to start your thread. (If you choose incorrectly don't worry, we can fix that.)
  • If you are responding to a thread, stay on topic - the original poster was trying to achieve something. You can always start a new thread instead of potentially "hijacking" an existing thread.

Rule 3: Contribute something meaningful

To put things in engineering terms, we value a high signal to noise ratio. Coming here should not be a waste of time.
  • This is not a chat room. If you are taking less than 30 seconds to make a post then you are probably doing something wrong. A post should be on topic, clear, and contribute something meaningful to the discussion. If people read your posts and feel that their time as been wasted, they will stop reading your posts. Worse yet, they will stop visiting and we'll lose their experience and contributions.
  • Do not bump threads.
  • Do not "necro-post" unless you are following up to a specific person on a specific thread. And even then, that person may have moved on. Just start a new thread for your related topic.
  • Use the Private Message system for posts that are targeted at a specific person.

Rule 4: "PM Sent!" messages (or, how to use the Private Message system)

This forum has a private message feature that we want people to use for messages that are not of general interest to other members.

In short, if you are going to reply to a thread and that reply is targeted to a specific individual and not of interest to anybody else (either now or in the future) then send a private message instead.

Here are some obvious examples of when you should not reply to a thread and use the PM system instead:
  • "PM Sent!": Do not tell the rest of us that you sent a PM ... the forum software will tell the other person that they have a PM waiting.
  • "How much is shipping to ....": This is a very specific and directed question that is not of interest to anybody else.

Why do we have this policy? Sending a "PM Sent!" type message basically wastes everybody else's time by making them having to scroll past a post in a thread that looks to be updated, when the update is not meaningful. And the person you are sending the PM to will be notified by the forum software that they have a message waiting for them. Look up at the top near the right edge where it says 'Notifications' ... if you have a PM waiting, it will tell you there.

Rule 5: Copyright and other legal issues

We are here to discuss vintage computing, so discussing software, books, and other intellectual property that is on-topic is fine. We don't want people using these forums to discuss or enable copyright violations or other things that are against the law; whether you agree with the law or not is irrelevant. Do not use our resources for something that is legally or morally questionable.

Our discussions here generally fall under "fair use." Telling people how to pirate a software title is an example of something that is not allowable here.

Reporting problematic posts

If you see spam, a wildly off-topic post, or something abusive or illegal please report the thread by clicking on the "Report Post" icon. (It looks like an exclamation point in a triangle and it is available under every post.) This send a notification to all of the moderators, so somebody will see it and deal with it.

If you are unsure you may consider sending a private message to a moderator instead.

New user moderation

New users are directly moderated so that we can weed spammers out early. This means that for your first 10 posts you will have some delay before they are seen. We understand this can be disruptive to the flow of conversation and we try to keep up with our new user moderation duties to avoid undue inconvenience. Please do not make duplicate posts, extra posts to bump your post count, or ask the moderators to expedite this process; 10 moderated posts will go by quickly.

New users also have a smaller personal message inbox limit and are rate limited when sending PMs to other users.

Other suggestions
  • Use Google, books, or other definitive sources. There is a lot of information out there.
  • Don't make people guess at what you are trying to say; we are not mind readers. Be clear and concise.
  • Spelling and grammar are not rated, but they do make a post easier to read.
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VCF Swap Meet in Wall, NJ

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    Originally posted by VERAULT View Post
    Hello an welcome! North Jersey huh. Pretty close to a bunch of us members. And dont worry, we wont hold the fact that you use facebook against you.. Much.

    What machines do you have or are you a fan of?
    Yes, Morris County. I created a Facebook account just for the groups. Vincent GD is actually my middle name and then GD are my initials. I need to stay somewhat anonymous because of my job. Low End Mac on Facebook has been a huge help. I never disassembled a computer until this summer. I am relativity mechanically inclined or at least not mechanically inept lol. I plan on learning soldering soon. I blame YouTube for getting me into this! LGR, Action Retro, 8-Bit Guy, Mac84. I just like them all!

    My vintage machines are:
    IBM T22- This was my main computer throughout college. I bought it refurbished and installed XP right away. It used to run very very very hot. It sat in a closet for over 10 years until recently. I wiped the drive and installed Windows 98 and updated drivers. It runs great now and doesn't get hot. Granted I haven't run anything really taxing on it yet. I cleaned it up and installed a new CMOS battery. If the overheating is still an issue I will take it apart and replace the thermal pad (I don't think these used paste- I could be wrong).

    iBook G3 Dual USB 500mhz- I planned on this being my only purchase...That didn't last. I bought this over the summer. I wanted something that ran Mac OS 9. The school system I went thorough was an Apple district. The first computer I ever used was a Mac LC I believe or a Macintosh 2. I also used Apple 2, Classic Macintosh's, All in one Performa's and iMacs by high school. I wanted to relive those yers and use some of the programs I remembered.

    PowerBook G4- This runs both OS 9 and OS X 10.4. This computer has been a godsend for setting up drives on my classic Macs. It was upgraded to a SSD by the previous owner.

    Motorola StarMax 4000/160 DT- This was given to me by a former Motorola employee. He called it a prototype, but I think it was a pre-production unit or even a production unit that was used as a demonstrator in his local office. I took this completely apart and cleaned everything up. Replaced the PRAM battery and have been working on getting a SSD to work. That has been a lot of trial and error but I finally got it to work. I am going to install the max RAM on this and a FireWire/ USB PCI card. I also want to find a video card for this. I am thinking of a ATI 128MB card, but I have to find one that will work with this. I still need to research it.

    My first computer was a no brand name family computer. I believe it was a Pentium II 233 with 33mb of ram if I remember correctly. It ran Windows 98. In my personal and work life I always used Windows- though I did briefly own a eMac that was a floor model. It just didn't fit my need at the time as I needed a laptop and wanted Window's for compatibility purposes.

    My current daily driver is a Dell E6430. I LOVE that computer. It is a workhorse. I also have a first gen SurfaceGo and I just bought a MacBook Air M1. I don't think I would have bought one if it weren't for my recent interest in vintage macs. I find myself using the MacBook often. Though, I like my Dell with dual monitors for writing and work related tasks. The MacBook is my "fun" machine.
    I like my SurfaceGo, but the battery life is awful and lockdowns meant I didn't really need something so portable. I also was pissed that it won't run Windows 11. Especially, since it is so new. My MacBook is just so easy to carry around and use anywhere.