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    Vintage Ironey

    So last night I tried to login to the "Vintage" computer forum, this site, using my "Vintage" iPad (IOS 9.3.5.) and the login button wont work.... It's funny how we are here to discuss anything about "Vintage" computers, yet unable to access the forum without using a modern computer. I guess my goal of making a post with my PDP11 is now unobtainable...

    Good work guys.

    len
    Spread the joy of Vintage Addiction

    -->www.chronworks.com/<--->www.i8008.net/<--

    #2
    I was not able to access this site from my 2003 iMac either, when with the previous site it seemed to work well enough. There really is an irony in this.

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      #3
      Follow up question to the administrators... Are there others having issues as well? Are there any comparability settings in the software that will allow it to work with older devices?

      len
      Spread the joy of Vintage Addiction

      -->www.chronworks.com/<--->www.i8008.net/<--

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        #4
        I'm guessing the spell checker isn't working, as "Ironey" is misspelled. ;-0

        Look, let's be honest - nobody is going to make use of this site from a PDP-11 or an Apple ][c. Even the older version of vBulletin would have been a heavy lift, and with the current reliance on Javascript it is not feasible. But most people are using reasonably modern machines to access this site, not vintage machines.

        I'm not sure why your login button isn't working, but I suspect it is a local problem - iOS 9.3.5 was released in 2016, so it's not that old. Try clearing your vcfed cookies and the cache and debugging it like it is a local problem. I'll fire up an old Windows XP virtual machine to see how far back one can go. I will also look for compatibility settings.

        (Typed on a 2014 vintage IBM Thinkpad running Windows 10.)

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          #5
          Forum is working fine with this old EeePC
          Thomas Byers (DRI)- "You'll have a million people using the A> [MS-DOS prompt] forever. You'll have five million using [nongraphic] menu systems such as Topview, Concurrent PC-DOS, Desq, and those types. But there'll be 50 to 100 million using the iconic-based interfaces."

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            #6
            [QUOTE=mbbrutman;n1204046]I'm guessing the spell checker isn't working, as "Ironey" is misspelled. ;-0

            Hum... Funny, my "modern" M$ controlled OS didn't catch that. That's important you pointed that out. I'll write M$ today.

            I'll clear the cookies on my iPad and see if it works.

            Spread the joy of Vintage Addiction

            -->www.chronworks.com/<--->www.i8008.net/<--

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              #7
              I get on here from my various Versa 486s using Links or RetroZilla from time to time - granted, RZ is heavily tweaked and modded with modern add-ons and Noscript so only base-functionality is enabled along side TLS 1.2 and modern SSL functions. Maybe I'll post from there later.

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                #8
                Windows XP with an ancient copy of Chrome was not happy with the login process. The Javascript that handles the login button was causing a syntax error, so I suspect vBulletin is doing something "new enough" that a 7 year old copy of Chrome can't handle. I did some mild hacking at the Javascript but I couldn't get around it.

                Yes, I agree that a basic FORM specifying a POST operation should not be broken. Here we are though ... we don't have a staff to write our own software so we have to use off-the-shelf software, and off-the-shelf software needs to be upgraded or it bit rots. Unless somebody has deep pockets and help us pay to fix things like this or write our own, this is the way it is going to be.

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                  #9
                  At least for now, Windows XP users can use the NewMoon/Serpent (Firefox based) browsers posted here: https://msfn.org/board/topic/180462-...builds-part-2/

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                    #10
                    Nope, no joy. I cleared everything and rebooted my iPad. I can fill in the login fields, but the button is still not clickable.

                    Bummer, the iPad is what I typically use to read and post.

                    One step forward, five steps back.
                    Spread the joy of Vintage Addiction

                    -->www.chronworks.com/<--->www.i8008.net/<--

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                      #11
                      Looks like a known problem.

                      https://forum.vbulletin.com/forum/vb...latest-upgrade
                      Spread the joy of Vintage Addiction

                      -->www.chronworks.com/<--->www.i8008.net/<--

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                        #12
                        I would just like to comment, if you want some fun tech discussion, go over to grc.com and scope out Steve Gibson's classic newsgroups over there; you'll need a real newsgroup reader to post on.
                        Daniel P. Cayea - The Lyon Mountain Company - Plattsburgh, New York 12901
                        Vintage Equipment: IBM 5150 * IBM 5161 * ThinkPad 770ED
                        Modern Equipment: MacBook Pro 13 * Alienware M15R3

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                          #13
                          Oh well, looks like I have no good options from my iPad. That's my primary access. Guess I won't be posting much unless it gets fixed.

                          enjoy
                          Spread the joy of Vintage Addiction

                          -->www.chronworks.com/<--->www.i8008.net/<--

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                            #14
                            Goodness me. That seems to be a bit of a cop out.

                            This EeeBox from 2008runs this site fine. As does a lot of other older hardware of mine.
                            IIs a software is at your end.
                            Last edited by Caluser2000; April 18, 2021, 10:01 AM.
                            Thomas Byers (DRI)- "You'll have a million people using the A> [MS-DOS prompt] forever. You'll have five million using [nongraphic] menu systems such as Topview, Concurrent PC-DOS, Desq, and those types. But there'll be 50 to 100 million using the iconic-based interfaces."

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                              #15
                              When I attempted to use my 12 inch iPad Pro (iOS 14.4) to access the site, there wasn't even a login option. Nor were there any forums below the 'Forums' heading on the home page.

                              Not that I recall ever using my iPad for this site, so it doesn't really matter to me as such, but it appears not to be viable.

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