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Across the board is the vintage computer enthusiasm and Forum interest waning?

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    Across the board is the vintage computer enthusiasm and Forum interest waning?

    I consider Vcfed.org my main forum posting ground although I am a member of many other boards.

    This could be me but it seems the enthusiasm, traffic, and usage across the board in regards to vintage computing seems to be waning. This is of course my observation alone. I just wanted to get other users take on this.

    Is vintage computing fever climaxing in general? With the Pandemic I always assumed it would be at a height we havent seen before but thats clearly not the case. Has this "hobby" started to revert back to the die-hard fans?

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    Originally posted by VERAULT View Post
    I consider Vcfed.org my main forum posting ground although I am a member of many other boards.

    This could be me but it seems the enthusiasm, traffic, and usage across the board in regards to vintage computing seems to be waning. This is of course my observation alone. I just wanted to get other users take on this.

    Is vintage computing fever climaxing in general? With the Pandemic I always assumed it would be at a height we havent seen before but thats clearly not the case. Has this "hobby" started to revert back to the die-hard fans?
    You aren't alone in your observations. Interest does seem to be dwindling and I think the Covid thing has something to do with it, but this platform has people shying away. A good gauge to the state of the vintage hobby is the eBay prices.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Agent Orange View Post

      You aren't alone in your observations. Interest does seem to be dwindling and I think the Covid thing has something to do with it, but this platform has people shying away. A good gauge to the state of the vintage hobby is the eBay prices.
      Yeah, The site has been inaccessible to me for minutes at time all morning long. I think eBay prices will remain high even after prices drop across the board (if such thing could or would happen) just because of stupid sellers.

      Its a shame really. I will remain in this because I love it. But I guess its been a passing fad to some individuals in the past few years. Maybe thats the case for folks who didnt have nostalgia for those items at an early age. Its hard to care about an apple II if your first computer was a pentium 3 Dell...

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        #4
        Originally posted by Agent Orange View Post
        this platform has people shying away.
        The current UX here is horrible, but we all know that.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Al Kossow View Post

          The current UX here is horrible, but we all know that.
          You all know I am in complete agreement but as I stated in the first thread it seems interest and participation across the whole board is way down. Not just here. I meant EVERYWHERE.
          Last edited by VERAULT; October 22, 2021, 09:30 AM.

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            #6
            From my observation, not the interest is waning but the way people talk about it changed. Most communities switched to Discord. A trend I personally hate very much.

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              #7
              Could very well be the case. But Forums have been around for decades and really are the best way to have people build up a reputation and contribute. Rather than the new style of anonymous crap that leads more often than not to all the posts being " have you tried another cable?" "You should recap it."
              Same with Facebook. I guess I give older folks too much credit. They seem to follow the trends of younger people like stupid sheep these days. Have your guys heard what kind of music they play at weddings now a days? And I'm talking about couples getting married in their 30's and 40's...

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                #8
                That's why I hate the trend of using Discord and the like. It's a "quick and dirty" way to talk. Stuff you post disappears quickly, you can hardly build up a database of knowledge, and you can post every shit. But that's what people like to use these days. Nothing can beat a forum when it comes to preserve knowledge.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Timo W. View Post
                  Nothing can beat a MAILING LIST WITH A ZIPPED MONTHY ARCHIVE LIKE classiccmp.org when it comes to preserve knowledge.
                  There, fixed it for you.
                  I don't see a lot of people making copies of forum databases. The rot of old links here is a demonstration that this comms method isn't perfect either.

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                    #10
                    There was a popular vintage computing group on Facebook. I say was because it got overrun with bots and spammers, and the owner of the group refused to do anything about it, causing two of the moderators to resign in protest.

                    And sky-high eBay prices may be causing everyone except a small group of wealthy collectors to shy away from the hobby, as they are finding it prohibitively expensive.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Al Kossow View Post
                      I don't see a lot of people making copies of forum databases.
                      It's not easy to do. EMail is simple, even if the resulting archives are "ok" UX wise, but at least they exist.

                      This forum has over 640,000 posts. That's, um, a LOT.

                      Hands, who would like to mirror these posts? Anyone?

                      Note, that even the RSS feed is just topics and the first post. It doesn't show the threads.
                      Last edited by whartung; October 22, 2021, 12:53 PM.

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                        #12
                        Speaking for myself personally, I don't get a lot out of this or other forums. Frankly there are too many tedious folks under the misapprehension that this (or whatever other) group is their preserve, going on and on at length about very little. I don't include newbies in this; everybody's got to start somewhere. I read maybe one in fifty threads here, and this thread is a reasonable example of one kind of nonsense I'm not interested in.

                        But my interest in vintage computers isn't decreasing.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by bear View Post
                          Speaking for myself personally, I don't get a lot out of this or other forums. Frankly there are too many tedious folks under the misapprehension that this (or whatever other) group is their preserve, going on and on at length about very little. I don't include newbies in this; everybody's got to start somewhere. I read maybe one in fifty threads here, and this thread is a reasonable example of one kind of nonsense I'm not interested in.

                          But my interest in vintage computers isn't decreasing.
                          I dont really know what you just said to be honest but hey thanks for shiting on this forum... Good job.

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                            #14
                            Let me translate for you: I think bear said the signal to noise ratio is very low.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Timo W. View Post
                              That's why I hate the trend of using Discord and the like. It's a "quick and dirty" way to talk. The stuff you post disappears quickly, you can hardly build up a database of knowledge, and you can post every shit. But that's what people like to use these days. Nothing can beat a forum when it comes to preserving knowledge.


                              I will agree to a degree, but on discord. where you can cam(era) your work while other joins in the vocal chat or type live while you are trying to sort a problem out, producing quicker results in the end. Also, many discord vintage group organize "night of gaming" where people choose a platform and game and all play at the same time while chatting/voice channel and among other things as conversation vary a great deal from debates about the game itself to trick to gain on it to anything in between also we compare scores, generating not a "this is a wise man" but a more natural camaraderie between people present which with the pandemic we all have missed from the pub or club or gatherings.

                              Vintage computers forums are great., but often if you have to wait for 3 days for 1 answer when you can get 10 people in a ful-on conversation with schematics popping out and someone helping you out troubleshoot the problem, discord has a head above the water in a matter of speaking over forums. and that is why they have become more popular especially among the younger hobbyist wanting to dip toes in the water and not have to wait days to get some support/answer to their often easy problems.

                              As for "keeping documentation and records" that is what a website is for, not a forum, discord keeps the history of all messages in the various "channels/forums" where conversations have been had, and are easily searchable. so there isn't an "instant lost of information", you just have to search for it.

                              Sorry mates I love forums and I have been on precursors to them during the hay days of bulletin boards systems, but even at the age of 55, I learn to adapt and balance my visits accordingly. I have made great friends on discord vintage channels, and I met "wise men" on forums.
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