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Conduct yourself as you would at any other place where people come together in person to discuss their hobby. If you wouldn't say something to somebody in person, then you probably should not be writing it here.

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    #91
    Originally posted by Chuck(G) View Post
    No, just that few remember Rumpole.
    Lol

    A dichotomy. Those who know the acronym don't know the root of it, and those who know the root, don't know the acronym.

    It does seem to be something generally used in Forums for the younger audience.
    Current fleet
    TRS80 Model 4 - BBC B - Tatung Einstein - PCW9512 - PET 3032 - C64 - ZX81 - Spectrum 48K - Amiga A500 - Apple II europlus - Apple iMAC G3. Sharp MZ-80K. - IBM 5160 XT - Multibus 286/10 - Micro PDP 11/73 - Rainbow PC100A - MicroVax II - MicroVAX 3100, 3300, VAX 4000 VLC & 4000 Model 96 - AlphaStation 225 Apricot PC - Apple Performa 6200 - Apple Mac IIcx - Osborne 1 - ACT Sirius 1

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      #92
      Originally posted by Unknown_K View Post
      Prices for gear have gone up so much that what was once a cheap hobby can get rather expensive especially if the machines you don't have were hard to find even back in the day.

      It used to be you had to make decisions on what to get because gear was plentiful and cheap.

      Even if you can find a deal more then likely it needs work and some parts are unobtanium.
      Prices has certainly gone up on some gear but it's actually declined on others. Some of the price increases are temporary waves.. usually whenever a big Youtuber covers something. That seemed to happen with Tandy gear for example but lately that arena has cooled right off.

      I remember when original Apple IIs of any serial routinely went for $1500+.. they so rarely came up for sale. Now only the really early stuff clears the big bucks, while anything after 10k or so barely clears $500. Even the almighty Apple 1 isn't fetching anywhere near the $900k record these days.

      I think for some genuine collectibles values will hold up but as people move on or pass on things will calm down for most of it.

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        #93
        Originally posted by Chuck(G) View Post
        No, just that few remember Rumpole.
        I remember Rum-Ham!
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          #94
          I do check Ebay on pricing, but I only search for the sold items. It does appear that there is a downward trend, except for systems like the Amiga or the really early stuff. On IC death, I'm hoping that at some point we will have nano technology that will allow us to fix them too? I'm going to keep any ICs that die for that reason, although it could be a waste?

          Jason

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            #95
            I dont think you can repair internally shorted IC dies but i dont blame your wishful thinking. By your post are you saying Amiga prices are on the rise?

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              #96
              Internal shorted IC would like having an tiny explosion inside the chip, yeah, that would be bad. I was more thinking about how some IC chemistry is not long-term stable and can degenerate over time (a lot of MOS chips have this problem, C64 PLA, etc.) On these chips it doesn't matter how well they are stored, they will fail at some point. But then again, if you have a blueprint for the logic of the chip, you could just rebuild the die completely with nanotechnology and call it good. Even add in extras like over voltage protection, lower power consumption, more redundancy, etc. At that point you are just keeping the packaging as original. Very similar to how we preserve our vintage computers today with modern internal replacement parts.

              I haven't seen Amiga prices rise so much, but they are very steady. The Amiga 500 still appears to go for around $300 to $500. Which is strange to me as there were about 7 million Amigas sold over the machines life span, so I don't consider them to be very rare. Fewer TI 99/4As were sold (2.5 million) and you can still find them (in box even) for around $50. It must be that the Amigas are just so much more useful and are in much higher demand.

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                #97
                I'm just getting back into it myself. I have been very impressed with the level of activity and comprehensiveness of this forum.

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                  #98
                  Originally posted by grimm View Post
                  Internal shorted IC would like having an tiny explosion inside the chip, yeah, that would be bad. I was more thinking about how some IC chemistry is not long-term stable and can degenerate over time (a lot of MOS chips have this problem, C64 PLA, etc.) On these chips it doesn't matter how well they are stored, they will fail at some point. But then again, if you have a blueprint for the logic of the chip, you could just rebuild the die completely with nanotechnology and call it good. Even add in extras like over voltage protection, lower power consumption, more redundancy, etc. At that point you are just keeping the packaging as original. Very similar to how we preserve our vintage computers today with modern internal replacement parts.

                  I haven't seen Amiga prices rise so much, but they are very steady. The Amiga 500 still appears to go for around $300 to $500. Which is strange to me as there were about 7 million Amigas sold over the machines life span, so I don't consider them to be very rare. Fewer TI 99/4As were sold (2.5 million) and you can still find them (in box even) for around $50. It must be that the Amigas are just so much more useful and are in much higher demand.
                  Well I think my Amiga 500 purchased from ebay a long time ago was well under $50 shipped. So prices have risen over the last 20 years for sure. Amiga 2000's were $50-100 plus shipping back then and the A3000/A4000 were much more. Prices keep rising and machines keep getting old and dying.
                  What I collect: 68K/Early PPC Mac, DOS/Win 3.1 era machines, Amiga/ST, C64/128
                  Nubus/ISA/VLB/MCA/EISA cards of all types
                  Boxed apps and games for the above systems
                  Analog video capture cards/software and complete systems

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                    #99
                    OK, my opinion is that Youtube consuption and other social networks are taking too much time out of a lot of people who used to come here, and out of people who could potentially come here to post.

                    A traditional web forum cannot compete in user engagement with Youtube and their ilk.

                    Also, the forum software here took a dive for the worst, so that didn't help.

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                      Originally posted by Pepinno View Post
                      OK, my opinion is that Youtube consuption and other social networks are taking too much time out of a lot of people who used to come here, and out of people who could potentially come here to post.

                      A traditional web forum cannot compete in user engagement with Youtube and their ilk.

                      Also, the forum software here took a dive for the worst, so that didn't help.
                      I watch alot of youtube. But I dont comment .. EVER.. So there is zero user engagement on youtube. Seems like the wrong platform to use for user engagement.

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                        Originally posted by Unknown_K View Post

                        Well I think my Amiga 500 purchased from ebay a long time ago was well under $50 shipped. So prices have risen over the last 20 years for sure. Amiga 2000's were $50-100 plus shipping back then and the A3000/A4000 were much more. Prices keep rising and machines keep getting old and dying.
                        For sure, I have only been keeping an eye on the prices for about a year, and in that time Amigas have kept their value pretty steady. I wish prices would go back down to that, but I have a feeling that it will not happen.

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