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This forum is part of our mission to promote the preservation of vintage computers through education and outreach. (In real life we also run events and have a museum.) We encourage you to join us, participate, share your knowledge, and enjoy.

This forum has been around in this format for over 15 years. These rules and guidelines help us maintain a healthy and active community, and we moderate the forum to keep things on track. Please familiarize yourself with these rules and guidelines.


Rule 1: Remain civil and respectful

There are several hundred people who actively participate here. People come from all different backgrounds and will have different ways of seeing things. You will not agree with everything you read here. Back-and-forth discussions are fine but do not cross the line into rude or disrespectful behavior.

Conduct yourself as you would at any other place where people come together in person to discuss their hobby. If you wouldn't say something to somebody in person, then you probably should not be writing it here.

This should be obvious but, just in case: profanity, threats, slurs against any group (sexual, racial, gender, etc.) will not be tolerated.


Rule 2: Stay close to the original topic being discussed
  • If you are starting a new thread choose a reasonable sub-forum to start your thread. (If you choose incorrectly don't worry, we can fix that.)
  • If you are responding to a thread, stay on topic - the original poster was trying to achieve something. You can always start a new thread instead of potentially "hijacking" an existing thread.



Rule 3: Contribute something meaningful

To put things in engineering terms, we value a high signal to noise ratio. Coming here should not be a waste of time.
  • This is not a chat room. If you are taking less than 30 seconds to make a post then you are probably doing something wrong. A post should be on topic, clear, and contribute something meaningful to the discussion. If people read your posts and feel that their time as been wasted, they will stop reading your posts. Worse yet, they will stop visiting and we'll lose their experience and contributions.
  • Do not bump threads.
  • Do not "necro-post" unless you are following up to a specific person on a specific thread. And even then, that person may have moved on. Just start a new thread for your related topic.
  • Use the Private Message system for posts that are targeted at a specific person.


Rule 4: "PM Sent!" messages (or, how to use the Private Message system)

This forum has a private message feature that we want people to use for messages that are not of general interest to other members.

In short, if you are going to reply to a thread and that reply is targeted to a specific individual and not of interest to anybody else (either now or in the future) then send a private message instead.

Here are some obvious examples of when you should not reply to a thread and use the PM system instead:
  • "PM Sent!": Do not tell the rest of us that you sent a PM ... the forum software will tell the other person that they have a PM waiting.
  • "How much is shipping to ....": This is a very specific and directed question that is not of interest to anybody else.


Why do we have this policy? Sending a "PM Sent!" type message basically wastes everybody else's time by making them having to scroll past a post in a thread that looks to be updated, when the update is not meaningful. And the person you are sending the PM to will be notified by the forum software that they have a message waiting for them. Look up at the top near the right edge where it says 'Notifications' ... if you have a PM waiting, it will tell you there.

Rule 5: Copyright and other legal issues

We are here to discuss vintage computing, so discussing software, books, and other intellectual property that is on-topic is fine. We don't want people using these forums to discuss or enable copyright violations or other things that are against the law; whether you agree with the law or not is irrelevant. Do not use our resources for something that is legally or morally questionable.

Our discussions here generally fall under "fair use." Telling people how to pirate a software title is an example of something that is not allowable here.


Reporting problematic posts

If you see spam, a wildly off-topic post, or something abusive or illegal please report the thread by clicking on the "Report Post" icon. (It looks like an exclamation point in a triangle and it is available under every post.) This send a notification to all of the moderators, so somebody will see it and deal with it.

If you are unsure you may consider sending a private message to a moderator instead.


New user moderation

New users are directly moderated so that we can weed spammers out early. This means that for your first 10 posts you will have some delay before they are seen. We understand this can be disruptive to the flow of conversation and we try to keep up with our new user moderation duties to avoid undue inconvenience. Please do not make duplicate posts, extra posts to bump your post count, or ask the moderators to expedite this process; 10 moderated posts will go by quickly.

New users also have a smaller personal message inbox limit and are rate limited when sending PMs to other users.


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    New Toy

    I picked up the latest resident of "The Texas State Home for Orphaned and Wayward Computers" on Friday. I bought a full 96" glass door rack with two Sgi Origin 200 Gigachannel dual 180mhz processor chassis, a XIO/PCI expansion chassis aka XBOX, a spare Origin 200 and four Andataco RAID cabinets fully populated with 9, 18 and 36gb SCSI drives. It was complete with all Craylink cables, SCSI cables, terminal cables, drives, OS disks, spare parts and docs. With the Craylink cables, two dual processor servers can be combined into a quad-processor system.

    It took a mini-van and a pickup to haul it back to my apartment's garage. Now I finally can get my ftp site off the Winblows box and on a proper Unix host. I can also Craylink the third O200 to my existing O200 that hosts my site and make it a quad-processor system.
    www.blackcube.org - The Texas State Home for Orphaned and Wayward Computers - 176 residents and counting

    #2
    Wow !! I could only dream of having such a system.

    I noticed on your Wants page something that intrigued me.
    "CP/M software for Kaypro 2 (runs on my C128D)"

    Did you have to do anything special to run it on the 128D ?

    I have a mint portfolio of Pied Piper's Perfect Software (ca. 82/83) that I've been planning on putting up on Ebay, but before I do, I plan on copying the 4"virgin"disks. It allows back-up. Hopefully there is no bit-rot.

    From the manual it claims it can be used on any PC. There are some "preconfigurations" but it has an initial program to configure for the computer used.

    The "preconfigured terminals" include Kaypro, Apple, Vector, Televideo, IBM PC, Osborne, Heath-Zenith,Columbia, Seattle Computer, GE Intersel,Northstar Advantage, TRS model 2 w\Pickles and Trout and others.

    On reading more of the manuals my collector greed factor cut-in and I won't likely be selling it. :^) But I will be copying the disks at some point.
    Hopefully soon, and will see if I can transport you copies with Teleterm or with some raw dump program.

    Don't know if that's legal, but after 23 years I consider it "abandon-ware"

    Lawrence
    Economics isn't a real science. It's an evil art designed for the rich.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Micom 2000
      Wow !! I could only dream of having such a system.

      I noticed on your Wants page something that intrigued me.
      "CP/M software for Kaypro 2 (runs on my C128D)"

      Did you have to do anything special to run it on the 128D ?

      I have a mint portfolio of Pied Piper's Perfect Software (ca. 82/83) that I've been planning on putting up on Ebay, but before I do, I plan on copying the 4"virgin"disks. It allows back-up. Hopefully there is no bit-rot.

      From the manual it claims it can be used on any PC. There are some "preconfigurations" but it has an initial program to configure for the computer used.

      The "preconfigured terminals" include Kaypro, Apple, Vector, Televideo, IBM PC, Osborne, Heath-Zenith,Columbia, Seattle Computer, GE Intersel,Northstar Advantage, TRS model 2 w\Pickles and Trout and others.

      On reading more of the manuals my collector greed factor cut-in and I won't likely be selling it. :^) But I will be copying the disks at some point.
      Hopefully soon, and will see if I can transport you copies with Teleterm or with some raw dump program.

      Don't know if that's legal, but after 23 years I consider it "abandon-ware"

      Lawrence
      No the C128D reads Kaypro formatted disks and runs software that runs on a Kaypro2 with no modification. It's really a pretty cool system. I actually have never had it in C64 or 128 mode since I only run CP/M.

      If you can get me an image, I'd really appreciate it. i can also host the images on my ftp site if you would permit...or keep it private - what ever you think best.
      www.blackcube.org - The Texas State Home for Orphaned and Wayward Computers - 176 residents and counting

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        #4
        So, have you ever actually run Kaypro software on the C=128 (or have documentation to that effect)? There was some discussion on comp.os.cpm last year, but the issue was never really settled conclusively. Some posters claimed that the 128 could run Kaypro software, and others were of the opinion that it would read K-II formatted disks, but not necessarily run the same software. Unfortunately, nobody who had actually run the Kaypro software ever came forward at that time.

        --T
        Teach your children how to think, not what, and hold 'em close, not tight.
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          #5
          Originally posted by Terry Yager
          So, have you ever actually run Kaypro software on the C=128 (or have documentation to that effect)? There was some discussion on comp.os.cpm last year, but the issue was never really settled conclusively. Some posters claimed that the 128 could run Kaypro software, and others were of the opinion that it would read K-II formatted disks, but not necessarily run the same software. Unfortunately, nobody who had actually run the Kaypro software ever came forward at that time.

          --T
          No it runs Kaypro software. Specifically, I have WordStar and dBaseII that states on the boxes that it's for a Kaypro II.
          www.blackcube.org - The Texas State Home for Orphaned and Wayward Computers - 176 residents and counting

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