Forum Rules and Etiquette

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This forum is part of our mission to promote the preservation of vintage computers through education and outreach. (In real life we also run events and have a museum.) We encourage you to join us, participate, share your knowledge, and enjoy.

This forum has been around in this format for over 15 years. These rules and guidelines help us maintain a healthy and active community, and we moderate the forum to keep things on track. Please familiarize yourself with these rules and guidelines.

Rule 1: Remain civil and respectful

There are several hundred people who actively participate here. People come from all different backgrounds and will have different ways of seeing things. You will not agree with everything you read here. Back-and-forth discussions are fine but do not cross the line into rude or disrespectful behavior.

Conduct yourself as you would at any other place where people come together in person to discuss their hobby. If you wouldn't say something to somebody in person, then you probably should not be writing it here.

This should be obvious but, just in case: profanity, threats, slurs against any group (sexual, racial, gender, etc.) will not be tolerated.

Rule 2: Stay close to the original topic being discussed
  • If you are starting a new thread choose a reasonable sub-forum to start your thread. (If you choose incorrectly don't worry, we can fix that.)
  • If you are responding to a thread, stay on topic - the original poster was trying to achieve something. You can always start a new thread instead of potentially "hijacking" an existing thread.

Rule 3: Contribute something meaningful

To put things in engineering terms, we value a high signal to noise ratio. Coming here should not be a waste of time.
  • This is not a chat room. If you are taking less than 30 seconds to make a post then you are probably doing something wrong. A post should be on topic, clear, and contribute something meaningful to the discussion. If people read your posts and feel that their time as been wasted, they will stop reading your posts. Worse yet, they will stop visiting and we'll lose their experience and contributions.
  • Do not bump threads.
  • Do not "necro-post" unless you are following up to a specific person on a specific thread. And even then, that person may have moved on. Just start a new thread for your related topic.
  • Use the Private Message system for posts that are targeted at a specific person.

Rule 4: "PM Sent!" messages (or, how to use the Private Message system)

This forum has a private message feature that we want people to use for messages that are not of general interest to other members.

In short, if you are going to reply to a thread and that reply is targeted to a specific individual and not of interest to anybody else (either now or in the future) then send a private message instead.

Here are some obvious examples of when you should not reply to a thread and use the PM system instead:
  • "PM Sent!": Do not tell the rest of us that you sent a PM ... the forum software will tell the other person that they have a PM waiting.
  • "How much is shipping to ....": This is a very specific and directed question that is not of interest to anybody else.

Why do we have this policy? Sending a "PM Sent!" type message basically wastes everybody else's time by making them having to scroll past a post in a thread that looks to be updated, when the update is not meaningful. And the person you are sending the PM to will be notified by the forum software that they have a message waiting for them. Look up at the top near the right edge where it says 'Notifications' ... if you have a PM waiting, it will tell you there.

Rule 5: Copyright and other legal issues

We are here to discuss vintage computing, so discussing software, books, and other intellectual property that is on-topic is fine. We don't want people using these forums to discuss or enable copyright violations or other things that are against the law; whether you agree with the law or not is irrelevant. Do not use our resources for something that is legally or morally questionable.

Our discussions here generally fall under "fair use." Telling people how to pirate a software title is an example of something that is not allowable here.

Reporting problematic posts

If you see spam, a wildly off-topic post, or something abusive or illegal please report the thread by clicking on the "Report Post" icon. (It looks like an exclamation point in a triangle and it is available under every post.) This send a notification to all of the moderators, so somebody will see it and deal with it.

If you are unsure you may consider sending a private message to a moderator instead.

New user moderation

New users are directly moderated so that we can weed spammers out early. This means that for your first 10 posts you will have some delay before they are seen. We understand this can be disruptive to the flow of conversation and we try to keep up with our new user moderation duties to avoid undue inconvenience. Please do not make duplicate posts, extra posts to bump your post count, or ask the moderators to expedite this process; 10 moderated posts will go by quickly.

New users also have a smaller personal message inbox limit and are rate limited when sending PMs to other users.

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    my collection

    i'm new to these forums, so i figure a good way to introduce myself is through my collection:

    I have two vintage macs:
    - performa 578
    - macintosh SE

    and two IBM PS/2's

    - PS/2 Model 55LS:
    386SX, 4mb RAM, MS-DOS 6.22, 1.44mb floppy drive, 60mb hdd

    - PS/2 Model 30:
    i8086, 640k RAM, MS-DOS 2.11(?), 20mb hdd

    nice place, i hope to be really active
    IBM PS/2 fanboy
    The Kevcave, my little slice of the web.
    Admin, the llama-X Project .

    Hello and welcome!

    I remember the PS/2 Model 50 series from when they came out. I remember drooling over them and the 70s.

    I've got a PS/2 Model 30 in my collection but it has been a bit sick lately.

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      My Model 30 is out of service at the moment too; the 20mb Seagate hard drive in it has finally died. Oh well. it always did sound like a helicopter when it was spinning up anyway
      IBM PS/2 fanboy
      The Kevcave, my little slice of the web.
      Admin, the llama-X Project .


        Hello and welcome...

        Ahh, the PS/2 series...Nowadays when you say "PS/2" to youngsters, they'll think of a certain games console from Sony

        Way back (uhm, just to years ago, but still) when I started collecting, one of the first machines I was donated (which made me want to start) was a Model 60. Tower model, that one! But it's a "portable" :P ...It's got a big handle on the top, and when you lift it there's a yellow warning-sticker saying "18 KG +"...Heh...
        Thus spake Thomas Hillebrandt


          i managed to get my digicam working long enough to get two pictures of my ps/2's, at

          the shortcut to my site is
          IBM PS/2 fanboy
          The Kevcave, my little slice of the web.
          Admin, the llama-X Project .


            I like the Russian aircraft naming scheme. It makes me want to go watch "Wings of the Red Star" on the Discovery Wings Channel. I was watching the episodes on the "Bear" and the "Foxbat" a couple of nights ago.

            I've been trying to come up with a unique network name scheme for my collection. The only areas that are consistantly named are the Iris Indigo's (German names, Franz, Hanz, Arnold, Helmut, Elke, Dieter, Schultz) and the modern PC's that are not really part of the collection (Aphrodite, Apollo, Hermes, Mercury, Charon, Venus, Diana).

            Three of the Indigo's (Hanz, Franz and Arnold) were named by the previous owner. They were a CAD/CAM system in a steel fabrication plant in Black River Falls, WI. I couldn't rename them. I have documentation that shows they were named in 1991 upon delivery from Sgi. From the file dats and the dats on the DAT backup tapes, they were taken out of service in late 2002.
   - The Texas State Home for Orphaned and Wayward Computers - 176 residents and counting


              Blackcube wrote:
              I've been trying to come up with a unique network name scheme for my collection. The only areas that are consistantly named are the Iris Indigo's (German names, Franz, Hanz, Arnold, Helmut, Elke, Dieter, Schultz) and the modern PC's that are not really part of the collection (Aphrodite, Apollo, Hermes, Mercury, Charon, Venus, Diana).

              I'm fond of using names of computers/robots from movies, but try to make them fit the machine they tied to:

              SS5- 170- Bishop (Aliens)
              SS5- 70- Farve (Total Recall tv series)
              Vaxstation- B.O.B. (Slim Pickens charecter from "The Black Hole"
              ThinkPad- AnnaLee (Alien Resurection or "Sigorney got roped into another one")
              PC-8500 - Studly - from a book- anyone want to venture a guess?
              Netserver- Dumont (Tron)
              Televideo 9220 - Bit(Tron)

              Once I get moved into a house and have the room to actually put the second rack up with the Netframe on it- given its model number it can only be named one thing- HAL
              " Is this in real time? Is this in memory?
              Caught in a for(;; ) loop, no escape from this subroutine...
              open() your files, branch through the do{}while()s and see"