Forum Rules and Etiquette

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This forum is part of our mission to promote the preservation of vintage computers through education and outreach. (In real life we also run events and have a museum.) We encourage you to join us, participate, share your knowledge, and enjoy.

This forum has been around in this format for over 15 years. These rules and guidelines help us maintain a healthy and active community, and we moderate the forum to keep things on track. Please familiarize yourself with these rules and guidelines.

Rule 1: Remain civil and respectful

There are several hundred people who actively participate here. People come from all different backgrounds and will have different ways of seeing things. You will not agree with everything you read here. Back-and-forth discussions are fine but do not cross the line into rude or disrespectful behavior.

Conduct yourself as you would at any other place where people come together in person to discuss their hobby. If you wouldn't say something to somebody in person, then you probably should not be writing it here.

This should be obvious but, just in case: profanity, threats, slurs against any group (sexual, racial, gender, etc.) will not be tolerated.

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To put things in engineering terms, we value a high signal to noise ratio. Coming here should not be a waste of time.
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Rule 4: "PM Sent!" messages (or, how to use the Private Message system)

This forum has a private message feature that we want people to use for messages that are not of general interest to other members.

In short, if you are going to reply to a thread and that reply is targeted to a specific individual and not of interest to anybody else (either now or in the future) then send a private message instead.

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Rule 5: Copyright and other legal issues

We are here to discuss vintage computing, so discussing software, books, and other intellectual property that is on-topic is fine. We don't want people using these forums to discuss or enable copyright violations or other things that are against the law; whether you agree with the law or not is irrelevant. Do not use our resources for something that is legally or morally questionable.

Our discussions here generally fall under "fair use." Telling people how to pirate a software title is an example of something that is not allowable here.

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New user moderation

New users are directly moderated so that we can weed spammers out early. This means that for your first 10 posts you will have some delay before they are seen. We understand this can be disruptive to the flow of conversation and we try to keep up with our new user moderation duties to avoid undue inconvenience. Please do not make duplicate posts, extra posts to bump your post count, or ask the moderators to expedite this process; 10 moderated posts will go by quickly.

New users also have a smaller personal message inbox limit and are rate limited when sending PMs to other users.

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    Just started a collection...

    You know I use to think the fact that I was interested in vintage computers was 'odd'. I guess many share the same hobby. I'm glad! Anywho, heres my collection (as of today)

    -Commodore 64 with 1541 floppy drive, C2N datassette drive, many programs

    -Commodore 128, use perif.s that 64 uses.

    -Apple IIGS, external 5.25 floppy drive, external 3.5 floppy drive (I was told this is an excellent Apple computer, can any verify?>)

    -Macintosh (aka "Mac Classic '84"), but recently the moniter began failing, so this week its going on the work bench. rayer:

    -Mac Performa 405 (absolutely terrible computer, but cool looking)

    -Panasonic Business Partner (IBM clone) w/ double internal 5.25 floppy drives, recently installed a hard drive, specs just flew out of my head. Color moniter! VERY expensive in its time. I know the hard drive was around the 600 dollar mark as well!

    Well, kind of small compared to other collections. I've also got

    -an "I Adore My 64" pin. Couple of bucks on eBay. Very cool!

    -"C64 Programmers Guide" again, very cheap on eBay.

    -Apple logo stickers from the late '70s. Avalible on

    -Retro Mac Error (OF0003) t-shirt, with the happy mac on the back. Found it at, search for "retrogeek".

    I almost bought an "anatomy of a C64" poster. Could you believe it ended at 37 bucks on eBay? :GASP: To much!

    I am looking for any copies of BYTE magazine if anyone has any they need to clear out.

    Anyone else want to share? Hmmm?
    :::The Recycler:::
    :::The Recc
    Hello Professor...
    Shall we play a game?

    Hello Captain!

    Those all sound like fun machines.

    I wish you luck with the Mac monitor. Be careful working on those - displays can be hazardous. . . but I'm sure you already know that.

    The Vintage Computer and Gaming Marketplace
    The Vintage Computer



      Actually, after I posted that, I was working on it, put it back together, and... failure. It only responds to a good smack on the side. I'm guessing its just faulty wires, but I guess there's always another Mac Classic out there. But, will let me turn my fading memory into a really cool aquarium for a price. I guess its a project for another day.
      Hello Professor...
      Shall we play a game?


        Before you do that, see if you can find another toaster-style Mac to scavange parts from. The later 512s and other similar machines use many of the same parts but don't have the value of the original 128.

        Good luck!

        The Vintage Computer and Gaming Marketplace
        The Vintage Computer


          Do a google search. The solder joints on the analog board (the vertical board) go cold after a while. If you just touch them gently with a soldering iron they normally come back to life. Owning 8 or more compact Macs, you learn a few things

          The Czar


            Franklin Ace 1000

            Check out what I have for sale on Ebay........... I have not had any bids and I do not understand why.........This machine is perfect. Like brand new. I am selling my entire bundle along with the printer...........and original software........