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    #16
    Better to waste the movie than wasting the Porsche (or maybe not if it was a damn expensive movie to film).

    I don't know if I fancy the design of the cars, but as I wrote, a designer who has won many prizes and is greatly honoured in large parts of the world, entering a field which only had so much artistic design since before should in my eyes be able to come up with something semi-clever at least.

    Btw, I visited http://www.folklore.org/ yesterday, which is a site about computing folklore that currently only has one project; the stories behind early Macintosh development (1979-1985). One of the stories mentioned the case design and how Steve Jobs changed his mind a few times to get the most attractive and renewing type of case before launch.
    Anders Carlsson

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      #17
      Heh! I wonder what they did with whatever was left of it? A few years back, I saw an ad in Auto Swapper for a brand-new 'Vette, which had been, according to the ad, "driven off a cliff, and burned to the ground in a movie stunt." They were still asking $10,000.00 for the carcass. I figgered some chop-shop would buy it for that, just to get the title & tags.
      (Hmmn, I wonder whatever happened to James Dean's old Speedster? Prolly in a museum somewhere, eh?)

      --T
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        #18
        Maybe it can be used as a trade-in, but in that case valued to more than $10000 when buying a new car? Some newly rich soul may also buy it to impress his mates:

        "Look at this car! Brand new, and I've already driven it off a cliff and burned it out! Am I cool or what?!" not mentioning that it wasn't him doing it.
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          #19
          I dunno, I still like the chop-shop theory better. Ever been to a "Salvage auction?" I went once, with a friend who owned a local junkyard (Automotive Recycling and Reclamation Center, for the PC among us). I was truly amazed at the prices they were getting for cars that were completely totaled. My friend went to some lengths to point out to me which of the bidders were known gangsters, car theives, and chop-shop operators. He was complaining that an honest businessman like himself didn't have a chance at such an auction because there just weren't enough sellable parts to justify the prices that those wrecks were selling for.

          --T
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            #20
            Originally posted by carlsson

            Btw, I visited http://www.folklore.org/ yesterday,
            Speaking of folklore, (this is the forum for OT, isn't it?) I just saw on the local "news" broadcast this morning, a piece about "sex bracelets." Don't I recall something about this being an Urban Legend? Apparently, it's still making the rounds.

            <later>

            Ok, I looked it up on snopes:

            http://www.snopes.com/risque/school/bracelet.asp

            The article isn't real clear as to whether it's UL or not. I guess it could also be a self-fulfilling UL or something.

            --T
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              #21
              Yeah, a major Swedish newspaper reported on the sex bracelets in New York schools a few days ago, and they had tried some Internet research to get a complete story. If this is an urban legend, they probably missed to completely look it up.

              Anyway, if we exclude the bracelet supposedly meaning intercourse, maybe it is not so bad with hugs, kisses and other forms of touching in a surrounding which otherwise seems to consist most of cursing, yelling, hitting, disgracing etc eachother.
              Anders Carlsson

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                #22
                On the subject on Porsche, I just read that the newly introduced German car- and lifestyle (a.k.a. half-naked women?) magazine "Men's Car" in their introductionary May issue has a feature on to what degree people are cheating on their partner based on which car brand they own.

                31% of the men and 28% of the women who drive Opel-Vauxhall have been cheating. Almost 50% of the men who drive a Porsche have been cheating on their wife. Among the women, Audi (classy VW brand) is the "worst" one.

                A total of 2253 German men and women between ages 20 to 50 were included in the survey. Admittingly, the number of Porsche drivers should be much less than the number of Opels, but if we take the combined knowledge, we find that Porsche's both are ugly and reasons for divorce.
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                  #23
                  Yeah, I think I've heard about that study, or a similar one. I wonder if the researchers bothered to break it down by color? I'd think guys in red Porches are more likely to fool around than guys in say, green ones.

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                    #24
                    Do green Porsches exist? I can think about red, white and black ones, maybe blue. (one Google search later) A couple of miniature cars and some real ones.. yeah, I agree that if you have the bad taste or being unlucky enough to only find a green one, you probably stay faithful as well.
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